January 9, 2009 7:45 AM PST

Obama's stimulus plan: The energy debate

by Martin LaMonica
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Shortly after President-elect Barack Obama set a goal of doubling the country's renewable energy in three years, the jockeying over the energy portions of his administration's stimulus plan began.

At a speech at George Mason University on Thursday, Obama repeated his intention to promote the development of clean-technologies such as solar and wind energy, and to upgrade the electricity distribution system to enable smart-grid technologies. Obama said:

To finally spark the creation of a clean-energy economy, we will double the production of alternative energy in the next three years. We will modernize more than 75 percent of federal buildings and improve the energy efficiency of 2 million American homes, saving consumers and taxpayers billions (of dollars) on our energy bills.

In the process, we will put Americans to work in new jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced--jobs building solar panels and wind turbines; constructing fuel-efficient cars and buildings; and developing the new energy technologies that will lead to even more jobs, more savings, and a cleaner, safer planet in the bargain."

More details on how to fund energy-related programs trickled out after Obama's talk.

In response to a query from The Wall Street Journal, an Obama transition aide said doubling renewable-energy production in the United States is possible through a combination of loan guarantees and, ultimately, a national renewable portfolio standard (RPS).

There are a number of state-level RPS policies mandating that utilities get a certain percentage of their electricity from renewable technologies; the targets in California have set off a race to build up solar-power plants there. During the campaign, Obama had advocated a national RPS at 10 percent by 2012 and 25 percent renewable energy by 2025.

Renewable energy from wind, solar, and geothermal is about 24,000 megawatts, according to the aide, which represents about 1 percent of all power generation in the country.

"By providing significant loan guarantees and ultimately, later down the road, a national (renewable portfolio standard), we are confident we will get the wind industry back on track. In addition to the 20,000+ megawatts of wind, we are confident that with the same combination of support and renewable standards, the geothermal and solar industries can install 4,000MW of new power," the aide told the Journal.


After his talk, members of Obama's economic team met with members of Congress, who voiced their concerns with the plan.

"Energy is way underrepresented here in the package that has been discussed," said Sen. Kent Conrad, according to a report at Energy and Environment Daily (subscription required).

That sentiment was echoed by Sen. John Kerry: "I'm very confident that some adjustments are going to be made...We positively--absolutely in my judgment--need to spend more on energy, and I made that point and will continue to make that point."

The entire stimulus plan put forth is structured so that 40 percent of the money comes from direct tax cuts, 40 percent from direct investments in initiatives such as efficiency, and 20 percent directed at states, according to reports.

Overall, renewable-energy companies are optimistic on the potential for policy changes under Obama. In response to Thursday's speech, the American Council on Renewable Energy said it is issuing a call to action to its 600 members to issue plans on how to double renewable energy output in the next three years.

The auto sector is also angling to secure loan guarantees and incentives to establish electric-car manufacturing in the United States, according to a report earlier this week in the Detroit News.

Advocates of underground storage of carbon dioxide at coal-fired power plants are also hoping to restart investment in the Department of Energy-sponsored FutureGen project.

Martin LaMonica is a senior writer for CNET's Green Tech blog. He started at CNET News in 2002, covering IT and Web development. Before that, he was executive editor at IT publication InfoWorld. E-mail Martin.

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by Manhattan2 January 9, 2009 8:20 AM PST
Doubling renewable energy is not enough! What kind of change is that? It is possible that those numbers could be achieved without the Presidents help. If Barack Obama is serious he needs his advisors to look at Solar Transfer. A solution that could nearly double all solar energy capture in the US within 1 year. 700 billion to wall street and such a low approach to changing the face of energy for generations to come. Tell Mr. Obama to contact us at SolarTransfer. He is way off the mark on this one. Also have Kent Conrad and John Kerry email us at solartransfer@aol.com .We have the solutions people ready for real change will seek.
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by jasonaorr January 9, 2009 8:38 AM PST
I'm sure CNET will get Mr. Obama and the United States Senate on the phone as soon as possible to give them you e-mail address, Manhattan2.

It's difficult to get anything done in one year. If the goal of bringing alternative energies from 1% to 2% of power generation is a modest goal, then it is also an attainable goal. More interesting is what he expects in five years or ten years.
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by fredtheviking January 9, 2009 8:50 AM PST
100 points to John Kerry's comment. Kudos to Manhattan2, his sentiments are my own. I am disappointed by Obama's plan. It is not ambitious enough as far as renewables are concern. I understand his relucant to make it a big focus of his stimulus package, because of a more pressing concerns with the economy. But going entirely to renewables should be a top priority. He should be willing to go all out to do it.

It just goes to show he is in the pockets of corporate interests. Not in the people's interests.
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by meworkingman January 9, 2009 9:20 AM PST
Give me a break. Maybe (just maybe) going entirely to renewables should be a *long term* goal but making it a priority is just foolish. Driving the cost of energy into the stratosphere is not something that this economy needs. Instead our priority should be to continue the push to clean up old technologies and build nuclear plants. These old technologies can provide the energy the economy needs while the renewables are perfected to the point that they are economically viable (if they ever will be). This is a common-sense approach. The fact that this approach is not even considered demonstrates that while he indeed might be in the pockets of (certain) corporate interests, Obama is also in the pockets of whacked-out leftist environmentalists.
by MSSlayer January 9, 2009 10:59 AM PST
Yeah, what we really need is to poison the earth more with nuclear waste.

It is funny how the freeptards promote nuclear power, yet refuse to move near the areas where the waste is stored.
by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 12:24 PM PST
MSSlayer: I'll move there. Get cancer there just as well as any place else. Wanna come? Nah, you're a wuss.
by MSSlayer January 11, 2009 2:14 PM PST
I live very close to a nuclear waste storage area.
by January 11, 2009 2:19 PM PST
It is sad how nuclear power is always attacked as having too many problems without putting it into a relative context. The technical problems with nuclear power have solutions but the political problems will have to wait for a more enlightened population that is can reason past fear and make rational decisions. Sadly the only way we make decisions today is based on fear.
by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 6:32 PM PST
MSSlayer: See, you turned out fine. Can't be that bad. I'll be down any minute with the beer, but if you have three eyes then I'm out.
by gfsdfge January 9, 2009 11:59 AM PST
The power grid has to be the first priority. We can't deploy all of these wonderful new techs until that is done. So it will take more than a year. Just doubling will be hard enough with our current grid.
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by Manhattan2 January 9, 2009 12:28 PM PST
It depends on where you place your collectors. We could double solar power capture in a few months without an upgrade to the grid. It is true the end game requires a new grid but we are so far away from that being an issue that your could double solar next month with no problem. Yes it would take money but no grid upgrade needed. Energy Manifesto will reveal more, much more.
by HeavyJim January 9, 2009 12:57 PM PST
I laugh when you see comments that the government should go all out or do more for alternative energy, and then these people, who are the vast majority, do nothing about setting up alternative sources themselves. They are out there. They just don't want to do the hard part themselves. I guess its let the other guy do it.
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by open-mind January 9, 2009 2:33 PM PST
Obama loves alternative energy as long as it's funded by the federal government while under control of the democratic party. With more people dependent on government (eg dependent on the democratic party), more people are likely to vote democratic, and the more powerful government becomes. FACT: 45% of wage earners pay no federal income tax, yet Obama is promising them "tax breaks". Who do you think they're going to vote for in 2012?
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by MSSlayer January 11, 2009 2:15 PM PST
LOL

Do you actually believe that?
by scdecade January 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST
If all this government nonsense about renewable energy was anything other than hot air, they'd immediately legalize hemp. The government couldn't care less about the environment. They're the #1 polluter. Once the federal gov't gets the public up in a stir about something (anything), then it becomes about largess, campaign contributions, tax loopholes, and pork barrel politics. Otherwise why don't they crack down on polluters now? Is it because polluters are big political contributors? Are they big contributors because they get nothing in return? Me no thinks so.
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by scdecade January 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST
If all this government nonsense about renewable energy was anything other than hot air, they'd immediately legalize hemp. The government couldn't care less about the environment. They're the #1 polluter. Once the federal gov't gets the public up in a stir about something (anything), then it becomes about largess, campaign contributions, tax loopholes, and pork barrel politics. Otherwise why don't they crack down on polluters now? Is it because polluters are big political contributors? Are they big contributors because they get nothing in return? Me no thinks so.
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by Aus_Engineer January 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST
Mabey its not enough, but the more the better, wind, solar is very good, also nuclear is good, do your homework even greenpeace endorse nuclear energy, it is clear it is safe and the waste is contained and controled and can also be reprocessed.

Its also a known fact that coal generates more nuclear waste than a nuclear power plant, but it just pumps it into the atmosphere, dont believe me ? do you own research. thats not me saying that, its NATURE magezine, and that is a reputable scientific journal.

You know with what you spent in IRAQ you could have solved world hunger, your US medical mess, education, most if not all you energy problems. including effective and sustainable electric cars and vehicles. instead of waisting billions of dollars a week on a failed war in IRAQ not to mention what that war has done for your standing in the world. thats what is really criminal.
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by kmne68 January 9, 2009 4:36 PM PST
Unless and until the Washingtonians begin to understand how economics works, all of their plans are doomed to failure.

For any new energy technology to survive, it has to be able to displace the existing dominant technology. To do that, it has to be competitively priced in the open market. Government subsidies propping up inefficient technologies are not success, they are a double failure--failure of the technology and failure of policy makers responsibly to manage public money.

Aside from the fact that global warming is a hoax and it isn't the place of government to pick industrial or technological winners and losers; how in the world does anyone believe that new energy sources can be found AND be made practical AND widely adopted in two to three years?

People have gotten so hyped up on hope that common sense, reason and logic don't even come into play.
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by atici January 10, 2009 3:06 AM PST
Totally agree! There is no chance the policy makers could responsibly manage money because it's not their money to begin with. Check Milton Friedman's documentary by PBS named Free to Choose.
by MSSlayer January 11, 2009 2:18 PM PST
You are forgetting that oil and coal get billions in subsidies every year.

Furthermore, the "existing dominant technology" have finite supplies. Better to encourage development in renewables now, then wait until it is too late.

What is that about common sense, reason, and logic?
by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 12:21 PM PST
"We will modernize more than 75 percent of federal buildings." Well I'm glad we'll have modern federal buildings after everyone has lost their home and job. Wouldn't want federal employees to go without or anything.
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by MSSlayer January 11, 2009 2:20 PM PST
People who live beyond their means will lose their homes.

People without a solid skill set so they can't find work in areas not struggling will be chronically unemployed or at least severely underemployed.

It is hard to find sympathy for these mental midgets.
by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 6:34 PM PST
It is indeed hard to feel sorry for many of them MSSlayer. However, I'd rather see 75 percent of federal buildings be shut down completely rather than modernized. That's just me though.
by whiplash55 January 11, 2009 3:39 PM PST
I think clean energy is great but the reality of the power demands in the didgital world, dictate that we begin to develop nuclear power like never before. Otherwise we will just end up using more coal and other fossil fuels. Nuclear power obviously has risks but using coal in increasing amounts should not be considered accceptable. I assume Obama knows this and is giving the nesscessary lip servive to the greenies, before he embarks on a true energy program that uses all alternatives, not just wind and solar.
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by January 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST
I hope you are right but when I hear Obama use the term 'Safe Nuclear Power' I have my doubts in seeing nuclear play an expanding role in the US power mix. The nukes were designed with a 40 year life and at some point new units will need to be started to replace old units.
by Commander_Spock January 11, 2009 7:37 PM PST
When are the problems in the banking and financial industries going to be fixed!

Remember these words anyone: "It's The Economy Stupid"! So, what should the priorities be as far as "We The People" are concerned???
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by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 9:03 PM PST
I vote everyone gets a free ham sandwich. That's an idea I can get behind. It should be their #1. Mmmmmmm... Haaammm....
by Commander_Spock January 11, 2009 10:47 PM PST
Re: "I vote everyone gets a free ham sandwich." Are you not forgetting the "Freedom of Choice"!!!

Hamburger (Beef) To The Left, Veggies In The Middle; and, (your) favorite "ham sandwich" To The Right.

"And, You Can Have What Ever You Like"!
by Imalittleteapot January 11, 2009 11:02 PM PST
Yes, but free ham. We've already done so much pork barrel spending! Will there be enough left for beef?
by Commander_Spock January 11, 2009 10:40 PM PST
Re: "I vote everyone gets a free ham sandwich." Are you not forgetting the "Freedom of Choice"!!!

Hamburger (Beef) To The Left, Veggies In The Middle; and, (your) favorite "ham sandwich" To The Right.

"And, You Can Have What Ever You Like"!
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by Tate_X January 14, 2009 9:54 PM PST
Barack Obama, the President-elect of the United States of America has proposed a stimulus plan in order to boost the economy. Payday loans may or may not be affected by Obama's proposed stimulus plan that he's putting together. Details are beginning to emerge in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan, as it is being called. The gist of it is that the first order of business is to cut taxes to the American lower and middle class, the typical payday loans consumers. The plan also provides for investment in infrastructure, such as bridges, roads, and water mains. There are also provisions for states that have faltering revenue streams to get some federal funding. Maybe with a little luck his plan will turn the economy around, and Americans will only need <a title="READ Will Obama Stimulus Affect Payday Loans?" rev="vote-for" href="http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/01/06/will-obama-stimulus-affect-payday-loans/">payday loans</a> for emergencies, not just to make ends meet.
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by Tate_X January 14, 2009 9:55 PM PST
Barack Obama, the President-elect of the United States of America has proposed a stimulus plan in order to boost the economy. Payday loans may or may not be affected by Obama's proposed stimulus plan that he's putting together. Details are beginning to emerge in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan, as it is being called. The gist of it is that the first order of business is to cut taxes to the American lower and middle class, the typical payday loans consumers. The plan also provides for investment in infrastructure, such as bridges, roads, and water mains. There are also provisions for states that have faltering revenue streams to get some federal funding. http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/01/06/will-obama-stimulus-affect-payday-loans/
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