October 22, 2009 6:52 AM PDT

Windows 7 jilting Vista upgrades

by Nick Heath
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Some businesses midway through upgrades to Vista are asking for Windows 7 instead, a Microsoft executive said at Thursday's launch event in London.

"This is the first time that we have had customers talking about slipstreaming the deployment of one OS into another version," said John Curran, who until recently headed the Windows client group in the U.K.

About 15 percent of business computers in the U.K. have Vista installed.

Ten large companies in the U.K. have already begun deploying Windows 7 on a total of 300,000 machines, according to Microsoft.

"In terms of the numbers of seats being deployed at launch, we are well ahead of where we were from a Vista perspective," Curran said.

Read more of "Vista jilted for Windows 7 midway through upgrades" at Silicon.com.


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by myles taylor October 22, 2009 7:35 AM PDT
As time goes on, we'll see more and more Windows 7 and XP machines than anything else I think. The more Vista fades into the background and hopefully disappears, the better.
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by sanjayb October 22, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
Poor Vista. We hardly even knew u. :-P
by The_happy_switcher October 22, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
Apple COO Cook: ?Windows 7 is just another opportunity to remind everyone to switch to a Mac?

LOL, so true.
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by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
Your Apple Copy key is stuck again.

You need a new computer. This may be just your opportunity to be a happy person and switch to Windows. :)
by The_happy_switcher October 22, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
Dvorak spot on:
Windows 7 Vodka and the Microsoft Hangover
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354446,00.asp
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by Vegaman_Dan October 22, 2009 9:08 AM PDT
You know, even Dvorak says he posts these things in order to stir up controversy. Listen to his podcast or read his other blogs and you'll hear him say this time and time again. You have to say something to get the conversation started.

By the way have you considered what OS he uses? Let me give you a hint- it's not OS X or Linux...
by BeamerMT October 22, 2009 9:07 AM PDT
So i've been running windows 7 since midnight (when I was able to download it) and I love it. I think its awesome! It runs a lot faster then vista on my laptop and seems to be stable so far.
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by nrg.dude October 22, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
Vista? Vis-ta? What is Vista? :O]
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by LLIB_SETAG October 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
Welcome to the Future...
Welcome to Vista 2.0...(Code name " Seven")
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by shycelticwitch October 22, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
Here's the rest of that story Dan... makes for some very good reading, and drives home some very true points...

Somewhere along the line, Microsoft apparently decided that it only wants to deal with those amenable suckers who will give it a pass on everything?or perhaps the company has just given up any hopes of getting favorable press. Whatever the case may be, the Microsoft of 15 years ago did a much better job managing the media than it does today. The shift signals more than a simple annoyance?Microsoft's carelessness with the media seems to represent an overall careless that permeates throughout the entire company.

The recent spam newsletter, "Microsoft at a Glance," is the perfect example. For one thing, periods are left off at the end of sentences. This was likely an oversight resulting from having a computer-generated newsletter, since it seemed to happen in a specific sequence. It's the cheap vodka syndrome all over again.

This sloppiness is also reflected in Microsoft advertising, highlighted by some of the lamest ads ever produced for television. It's also displayed in the Windows 7 do-it-yourself party concept, an unprecedented eye-roller of an idea that easily topped the "I'm a PC" campaign, the latter of which, mercifully, appears to have been put down like a horse with a broken leg.

Where is the "wow?" Where is the tour-de-force? It's not going to happen with this marketing team calling the shots, so we have to assume that no matter how good or bad Windows 7 might be (it's good, but not really better than Vista SP2), the company doesn't understand the value of using better vodka.

I've long asserted that Steve Jobs was right about Microsoft years ago when he accused the company of collectively having no taste. But now I'm not so sure. There are flashes of brilliance and good taste all over the company, but Microsoft is just lazy, careless, and not at all detail-oriented anymore. There are also indications that the employees all play a zero-sum game, hoping the guy in the next cubicle fails. This is a flaw that crept into the company long before Gates's exit.

In the end, Windows 7 is a big deal?but it should be an even bigger deal. It will get a lot of attention for the next week, but the buzz will wane rapidly as people realize that there is no new paradigm here, just more cheap vodka that will inevitably be followed by the same old Microsoft hangover.
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by dhavleak October 22, 2009 1:06 PM PDT
@ shycelticwitch

Back for a little trolling I see..

You should understand that everyone sees the world from their own perspective. You seem to be a very close-minded person -- supremely confident that your way of seeing things is the only way there is. Let me explain:

Dvorak says: "This sloppiness is also reflected in Microsoft advertising, highlighted by some of the lamest ads ever produced for television. It's also displayed in the Windows 7 do-it-yourself party concept, an unprecedented eye-roller of an idea that easily topped the "I'm a PC" campaign, the latter of which, mercifully, appears to have been put down like a horse with a broken leg."
>> here's what I see: The "I'm a PC" campaign was one of the simplest, classiest ads I've seen in a while. It was the perfect response to Apple's "I'm a Mac ads", and it managed to respond without stooping down to the same level. You as an Apple fan will probably never agree. But then I as a highly technical and long-time Windows and Linux user find the "I'm a Mac" ads deceitful and arrogant beyond measure. Don't get me wrong -- I actually like Macs and OS-X -- but a lot of the claims in the "I'm a Mac" ads are flat-out decitful.

Dvorak says: "Where is the "wow?" Where is the tour-de-force? It's not going to happen with this marketing team calling the shots"
>> Already taken care of. That was a different marketing team. The "wow" campaign for Vista was pretty bad. Microsoft changed ad agencies since then (they use Crispin Porter and Bugowsky now).

Dvorak says: "Microsoft is just lazy, careless, and not at all detail-oriented anymore. There are also indications that the employees all play a zero-sum game, hoping the guy in the next cubicle fails. This is a flaw that crept into the company long before Gates's exit"
>> This is just baseless conjecture. How would Dvorak even get an inside line to the work ethic in MS? It's so easy for someone to just toss out a baseless line like that, and for everyone to read it as assume that it's true. That's pure intellectual dishonesty/laziness (to just believe some random line like that without any logic, or any proof, or anything at all offered to back it up). Of course, given your affiliations, I'm not surprised you choose to put your faith in anything negative said about MS. But at least recognize your bias, and stop trying to peddle it to everyone else as the absolute truth. To address the specific point -- the very nature of the software microsoft products -- supported usually over a 7 to 10 year lifecycle (longer in some cases), multiple released versions supported concurrently, working with just about every OEM in the world, and every harware maker in the world, bending over backwards to satisfy app compatibility between OS versions, having to secure the most widely used piece of software in the world, and having to research UI changes to the absolute hilt because it affects the majority of the worlds computer users when they make even the slightest change. There are no shortcuts to their approach whatsoever. Where Dvorak sees laziness, carelessness, and lack of detail, I see perseverance, deliberation, and depth. It's all about the color of the glasses you're wearing. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Speculating over it is pointless.
by shycelticwitch October 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
Having personally known four former (in the last 18 months) employees of Microsoft, I can tell you that "Microsoft is just lazy, careless, and not at all detail-oriented anymore. There are also indications that the employees all play a zero-sum game, hoping the guy in the next cubicle fails. This is a flaw that crept into the company long before Gates's exit" is a truthful statement. Two of these formers worked in programming with W7 and two worked on development of Office. ALL FOUR left to work for HP because they said the atmosphere at MS was one of "send in the clowns" and the environment was not good for advancement.

The I'm a PC ads were lame... just ask the people who use them. The shopper ads were even worse, as they were horribly scripted and contained many "errors' that the public was quick to spot. The home party idea did not go over too well either, go read the comments on that article, the ones posted by Windows users. They are totally embarrassed by this one.

Lately it seems as though I am the only one who responds to your FUD about Apple anymore, probably because it is so far to the left it defies gravity, and somebody needs to address it.
by dhavleak October 22, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
@ shy

You said -- "Lately it seems as though I am the only one who responds to your FUD about Apple anymore, probably because it is so far to the left it defies gravity, and somebody needs to address it."

I *never* post FUD. I do not come to the Apple threads posting trash. I'm less interested in Apple than I am in Windows and Linux so I do the sensible thing and stay away from threads that don't interest me. You - a self-confessed Apple fan, are here on a Windows-related thread talking trash. FUD if you will, about nonsense that you cannot back up. Recognize your bias.
by dhavleak October 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
And your anecdotes about the former MS employees you know has zero value. You are not a credible source on matter's MS-related because of your obvious anti-MS bias. You can make up any nonsense you wish and post it. If you want people to take you seriously, you have to be much more objective and much more insightful, and much less opinionated in your posts.
by Jamie_Foster October 22, 2009 1:23 PM PDT
I've tried Windows 7 and it is a very solid product especially on new hardware. What I want to know is when is this OFS/WinFS concept ever going to see the light of day.
Microsoft is a strange company. They can produce brillant products such the Zune software and Xbox Live but they can also release rubbish like the pre jasper Xbox 360s and WMP in WM 6.5 which looks like someone from 2002.
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