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September 3, 2009 4:35 PM PDT

Microsoft granted stay of Word injunction

by Steven Musil
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Updated at 8:30 p.m. PDT with comment from i4i.

Microsoft has been granted a stay of a landmark injunction in a patent infringement case that would have required the software giant to stop selling its popular Word in its current form by next month.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit on Thursday granted Microsoft's motion for a stay, pending appeal, of an injunction issued in August by a federal judge that bars sales of Word that include a custom XML code found to infringe on patents held by i4i--the plaintiff.

"We are happy with the result and look forward to presenting our arguments on the main issues on September 23," Microsoft spokesman Kevin Kutz said in a statement.

In response to the court's decision, i4i expressed confidence in its position and accused Microsoft of employing "scare tactics."

"Microsoft's scare tactics about the consequences of the injunction cannot shield it from the imminent review of the case by the Federal Circuit Court of Appeal on the September 23 appeal," i4i Chairman Loudon Owen said in a statement. "i4i is confident that the final judgment in favor of i4i, which included a finding of willful patent infringement by Microsoft and an injunction against Microsoft Word, was the correct decision and that i4i will prevail on the appeal."

Toronto-based i4i sued Microsoft in March 2007 alleging that the Redmond,Wash.-based software giant violated its 1998 patent (No. 5,787,449) for a document system that eliminated the need for manually embedded formatting codes. In May, a jury ordered Microsoft to pay $200 million for infringing on a patent held by i4i.

In filing its formal appeal last week, Microsoft made a number of arguments for overturning the infringement finding, saying that the judge made several procedural errors and failed to live up to his role as "gatekeeper."

In addition to pursuing its appeal, Microsoft has other options, including creating a technical workaround, removing the XML function, or reaching a settlement with I4i.

I4i said earlier that it is not seeking to torpedo Word, but does want the infringing custom XML code removed.

Steven Musil is the night news editor at CNET News. Before joining CNET News in 2000, Steven spent 10 years at various Bay Area newspapers. E-mail Steven.
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by SteveW928 September 3, 2009 4:52 PM PDT
In other words, M$ can basically get away with anything they want.
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by markosph September 3, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
Much the same way Google and Apple does.
by Spartan_458 September 3, 2009 5:35 PM PDT
To a much larger extent, I might add, markosph. Microsoft gets nailed by this stuff all the time, and they don't get away with it very often.
by captain_numerica September 3, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
An injunction means they have more time to pursue an appeal. It does *not* mean the ruling is overturned. MS still has an uphill battle here.
by msjonker September 3, 2009 6:10 PM PDT
"Custom XML" I have seen this used in many articles about this case, but no one ever explains it. Isn't the point of XML the fact that you can customize it, much the same way you can customize a blank sheet of paper. I don't know much about this case, but my guess is that this patent is broad and meaningless.
by odubtaig September 3, 2009 6:59 PM PDT
The patent isn't even about XML, it covers any document format that holds the content (possibly a raw stream of text) and the formatting in seperate sections or files with the formatting applied via a mapping of the content, eg. an instruction to apply bold formatting at character positions 57-68. It's this application of 'mapping' the formatting to the content without any use of formatting _within_ the content that's patented.
by DrtyDogg September 4, 2009 3:04 AM PDT
odubtaig: Is that like HTML and CSS?
by odubtaig September 4, 2009 4:33 AM PDT
No. When applying CSS the browser relies on tags within the HTML files to tell it where to start and stop applying formatting. The patent linked in the main article references this type of formatting specifically as prior work that the patent is not attempting to cover. XML, XSL, (X)HTML, the old .doc format and apparently ODF as well as all but a small part of OOXML are outside this patent's scope.

If it were to work like this patent, the browser would ignore all the HTML tags reading only the content text and the equivalent of the CSS file would refer to positions within the HTML file for the browser to apply formatting. At this point, stripping out all the tags from the HTML file would make no difference to the result so long as the positions referenced in the 'CSS' file were adjusted to take account of where the text moved to.

On a personal basis: I don't see it's non-obviouslness, several people on here alone claim to have found prior art dating back to the early '80s and it's easy to conceive that the real reason it hasn't been more widely used is because it conveys no real advantage whlie at the same time being more complex to manage.
by cynch72 September 4, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
Finally! Microsoft deserves to sell MS Word! And i4i/ lawyers and Judges should STOP making money this way!
by WinNoMo September 4, 2009 7:35 AM PDT
Microsoft faces these types of problems because they are like the school yard bully. All the teachers are watching because they have a history of bullying that can be backed up with evidence. Whether or not this particular accusation has any merit, they brought the heat upon themselves with their tactics with Java, Netscape, Quicktime, etc.
by solitare_pax September 5, 2009 3:43 AM PDT
Out of curiosity, how many people reading this use MS Word to create websites or other XML type documents? There are better alternatives out there that do not code your personal information into web pages.
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by shellcodes_coder September 3, 2009 4:56 PM PDT
Great news :)
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by tm_anon September 3, 2009 11:55 PM PDT
Great news to whom?
by EcuadorHomesOnline September 4, 2009 3:43 AM PDT
@ tm_anon
Great news to anyone with a brain. This patent is almost worthless, they couldn't license it to anyone if their life depended on it. But hey, they find that someone with cash in the bank has infringed on their property and suddenly the dollar signs are flashing before their eyes. The fact that they were even able to bully their way into a courtroom with it is a travesty to the integrity of the patent system.
by pithenumber September 4, 2009 4:10 AM PDT
@tm
you like patent trolls?
by odubtaig September 4, 2009 4:39 AM PDT
Integrity? iLOL.

If this patent ever stays standing, it's going to be about as much use as the Marching Cubes patent.
by bigRoN18 September 3, 2009 5:20 PM PDT
Of course i4i doesn't want to torpedo Word... they have been sitting on their hands fishing for the biggest fish that they could make millions off of. Because of this, they have not been enforcing their patent, which has been used rampantly within the Open Source community for years... until they figured it was pay day. They want to pull in money on new sales, so no new sales would diminish the value.
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by jharperweb September 3, 2009 6:32 PM PDT
i4i are not patent trolls. Read a few more articles about this on CNET.
by nicmart September 3, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
Not patent trolls? They just happened to bring the suit in the Easter District of Texas, otherwise known as plaintiff heaven.

Intellectual Property - Patent Cases filed in the Texas Eastern District Court before Leonard Davis
http://dockets.justia.com/browse/state-texas/court-txedce/judge-Davis/noscat-10/nos-830/
by mbenedict September 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT
The Eastern District of Texas is not a "plaintiff heaven" for patents. An attorney did an analysis earlier this year showing that the judgments for the defendants are as likely as judgments for the plaintiffs there.

The courts there do "specialize" in intellectual property cases. The judges are experts in IP law and are willing to take on patent cases, unlike in some other jurisdictions which might prefer criminal cases or constitutional issues or whatnot. They've also structured the court system so you get a "predictable" schedule, while being close enough to a metropolitan to have a good jury pool.

Judge Davis himself has a background in technology (he was a computer programmer and systems analyst before becoming a judge) and attorneys in complex patent cases appreciate that.

So of course IP cases will flock to the district. But if you talk to attorneys who have been both plaintiffs and defendants in different cases there, they'd tell you that the courts there are fair to both sides.
by gerrrg September 4, 2009 12:39 AM PDT
Naw....i4i doesn't want Word to go away, because their own software relies on the older version of Word (pre-customized xml reading ability).

The question is, will Ballmer vindictively strike back and do the Apple versus Palm thing, preventing i4i from latching onto Word?
by eltoro2827 September 3, 2009 5:57 PM PDT
good 4 u MS.
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by MickBurke September 3, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
Yea, what we need now is to reinforce that huge corporations can get away with whatever they want. Well done.
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by EnterpriseSystems September 3, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
It seems like continuing to sell just Office 2003 would be a viable alternative while this is being worked out.
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by tm_anon September 3, 2009 11:54 PM PDT
I'm sure you missed that selling Office 2003 rather than Office 2007 is what the judge, in essence, ordered MS to do in the first place.
by AluminumMonster September 3, 2009 8:57 PM PDT
MS isnt going to stop selling their second most profitable piece of software. Did anyone actually think Office was gonna be off store shelves for one second?
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by tm_anon September 3, 2009 11:54 PM PDT
I was kind of hoping it might be.
by Seaspray0 September 4, 2009 1:26 PM PDT
@tm_anon. What do you personally gain if it's no longer on the shelves? Can you answer that? If all you have is the "agony of emotional duress", then don't even bother. What do you really gain personally (you and only you) if it's off the shelves?
by faceless128 September 4, 2009 12:38 AM PDT
I was hoping that there was an injunction so that people can suffer a little. The chaos in schools and colleges because some students couldn't get MS Word would have been hilarious!
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by Knightro2 September 4, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
Great...like our education system isn't already in the toilet. Let's hurt it more...yea...that would be hilarious (<--sarcasm).
by sparrowhyperion September 4, 2009 7:11 AM PDT
Yet again, Mickeysloth manages to sleaze their way out of trouble. If that were ANY other company... They would have been hung out to dry. They need to be taught a lesson, and one that hits them where it hurts.. In their wallets. It's a shame this judge had to be a fanboy.
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by Vegaman_Dan September 4, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
Apple and Google have also been similarly affected in their own areas of product coverage. There is no favortism here by the judge.
by odubtaig September 4, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
Sparrow, you're making Dan look rational. Please stop.
by cynch72 September 4, 2009 7:30 AM PDT
Finally! Microsoft deserves to sell MS Word! And i4i/ lawyers and Judges should STOP making money this way! It's utterly Blood Money!
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by c_payne September 4, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
Once again, Microsoft behaves as though they are above the patent laws,
(while MS Lawyers propose a new world wide Patent System). Just because
you are a behemoth should not grant the behemoth unparalleled access to
step on intellectual property from smaller companies. But that is the American
Way.

This is an important stayed motion to prevent their investors stock prices
from falling out of the sky. It is bad enough that Apple stock is shining
bright at $169.14 USD/share.

Back to school deals are a big part of MS's income and this was simply
bad timing for their marketing group.

Hopefully the judge will do the right thing (no, that does not mean take the
bribes from MS either).

If i4i infringed on an MS patent, there would be no reprieve. The court system
in the US is corrupt.
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by shootfirst September 4, 2009 8:30 AM PDT
Anyone else see this as an invite to violate M$ patents, aka patents of companies M$ buys since they never think of anything original cept the blue screen of death. I don't blame i4i for targeting M$ and not open source because open source isn't making an insane amount of money from using their ideas. However I am surprised that a US judge took a stance against M$, usually that is left to the EU.
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by Seaspray0 September 4, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
Well, microsoft thinks that linux is already violating its patents, but chances are they will never bring a lawsuit over it. Once you start a lawsuit, the oposition will challenge the validity of the patent, and I suspect there are some patents held by microsoft that are just as vague as anybody elses. They wouldn't want them challenged.
by Hokulea September 4, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
The whole software patent issue is a quagmire with far reaching implications. Seems to me this patent, like many others, should have never been granted in the first place.
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by odubtaig September 4, 2009 2:54 PM PDT
That update is interesting, this Louden guy reminds me of someone. Darl... something? I mean, they're not in financial trouble are they? I'm not aware that MS /want/ to be 'shielded' from the immenent review that they applied for. It's mighty tough talk considering MS didn't just swallow the original judgement.

I especially like the part where he calls the judgement being appealed 'the final judgement'. Right, so the judgement on the appeal is what exactly? The final final judgement? Will we have a final final final judgement?
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by leomuller22 September 6, 2009 11:42 PM PDT
Vague patents like this make it hard to develop software.
Why should people be allowed to claim a patent on plain logic how to do things? This means that if you would write a good software product sooner or later a bunch of lawyers will come and sue your a** off.

Lawyers should be outlawed.
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by StoshNick September 23, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
Hi,

I scanned the patent quickly. As a C programmer, it seems clear (to me after a quick looky-loo at least) that the patent describes pointers as an abstract concept.

In C, you point into a separate data buffer (storage means) using a variable like: *Title while here the pointer variable is represented as something like: <Title>, or just an index into an array of pointers. This isn't even a full level of abstraction higher than C's pointer variables and arrays of pointers.

At the next level of abstraction they are describing indirection, which has been used in CPU designs that store code and data in separate segments. That has been going on for a very long time.

-Stosh
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