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August 11, 2009 11:30 PM PDT

Judge orders Microsoft to stop selling Word

by Steven Musil
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Updated at 9:20 a.m. PDT with comment from Microsoft.

A judge on Tuesday ordered Microsoft to stop selling Word, one of its premier products, in its current form due to patent infringement.

Judge Leonard Davis of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas issued a permanent injunction that "prohibits Microsoft from selling or importing to the United States any Microsoft Word products that have the capability of opening .XML, .DOCX or DOCM files (XML files) containing custom XML," according to a statement released by attorneys for the plantiff, i4i.

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Microsoft said it was disappointed in the ruling and that it would appeal the verdict.

"We believe the evidence clearly demonstrated that we do not infringe and that the i4i patent is invalid," Microsoft spokesperson Kevin Kutz said in a statement.

Toronto-based i4i sued Microsoft in March 2007 alleging that the Redmond,Wash.-based software giant violated its 1998 patent (No. 5,787,449) for a document system that eliminated the need for manually embedded formatting codes.

XML--an integral feature in Microsoft Word--is considered a "page description language," with one of its key qualities being that it is readable by people, not just machines. Unlike HTML, which has predefined tags, XML allows developers and users to define their own tags for data, such as price and product.

In May, a federal jury in Tyler, Texas, ruled that the custom XML tagging features of Word 2003 and Word 2007 infringed on i4i's patent and ordered Microsoft to pay $200 million in the case.

In Tuesday's ruling, Microsoft was also ordered to pay an additional $40 million for willful infringement, as well as $37 million in prejudgment interest. The order requires Microsoft to comply with the injunction within 60 days and forbids Microsoft from testing, demonstrating, or marketing Word products containing the contested XML feature.

However, it's unlikely Microsoft will take one of its biggest money-makers off the market. The injunction gives Redmond two months to pursue an appeal, craft a settlement, or implement a technical workaround that removes the technology found to be infringing.

Steven Musil is the night news editor at CNET News. Before joining CNET News in 2000, Steven spent 10 years at various Bay Area newspapers. E-mail Steven.
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by t8 August 11, 2009 11:58 PM PDT
Microsoft seems to spend more time in court defending themselves from stealing other people's stuff, than they do actually innovating.
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by gerrrg August 12, 2009 12:12 AM PDT
oh yeah, patent trolls innovate.
by fc11 August 12, 2009 12:34 AM PDT
If you read the patent description, it seems to cover any system where document style data is stored seperately from the document content. This will include style sheets of both HTML and XML, as well as any web page that pull data from a data base. Cnet.com probably infringes on this patent as well. These "inovation" companies just go after the company with big money, which is Microsoft.

Software patent is a system that shift the money from software industry to lawyers. It is like the goverment will have a new tax on software industry and use it to fund welfare for the leagal industry. (perhaps the lawyers in America are too poor, and need a free gourmet meal once a while?)
by dennisheadley August 12, 2009 1:25 AM PDT
The company in question is not a patent troll company. They actually were the first company to develop seamless use of XML from within word. This was before MS offered any such feature of its own in word. As a matter of fact MS at the time completely avoided XML, refused to support it and tried to do their own proprietary format version of it instead.

I4I the company had the world recognized top system out there for XML implementation and management in large scale companies and was the chosen to power such things as the, and this is ironic, the US patent system, the FDA's new streamlined submission system, which uses a open standard chiefly developed from two companies technologies, i4i being one of them.

While i do not usually condone these lawsuits. MS in this case realized that its efforts to avoid using XML were going against corporate customer demands, pretty much just took the best system available from a third party for this purpose and almost straight up incorporated it into word. I read quite a few articles on this when they talked about it earlier this year. And you have to remember that XML is common use now, but this was started years ago when it was not common in actual use and this companies solution was more than just a save to XML function, it was not an easy accomplishment like some of you would pretend it was.

This company made its fortune on servicing the majority of the fortune 500 companies, many of them software giants, as well as many government agencies.
by mbenedict August 12, 2009 2:53 AM PDT
Ok, let's not get too excited here.

1. The injunction is just a normal part of the court proceedings. Microsoft will appeal the original verdict, and it's almost certain that the Appeals court will stay the injunction until the appeal is resolved (which could take many many years).

2. To elaborate, in order for the injunction to stand, i4i must demonstrate "irreparable harm" if Microsoft continues to sell Word. But there is no such irreparable harm, since the courts can simply factor-in additional amounts Microsoft must pay should they eventually lose the appeal.

3. I've read the patent but have not read the court decision itself. From the patent, this case is more complex than simply using XML or tacking on style-sheets (like CSS). The heart of the matter is really about external indexed metadata. Style-sheets are different because they still require structures (tags) within the content.

4. I believe typically on appeal, new facts aren't considered, so the court will only look at mostly procedural matters. That means Microsoft can't win the appeal unless the patent is invalidated (which is a separate process than the appeals process). So we'll likely see two battles being fought: one in the courts and another within the patent system.

5. At this point I believe the patent will (eventually) be invalidated. So the question is what is the "prior art". I believe there are prior arts in the multimedia processing world (audio / image / video) which are analogous enough in nature to invalidate this patent.

6. Both sides may consider settling on appeals. Even if you add up the $200 million from the original verdict plus the additional damages the judge tacked on, for Microsoft that's still less than a week's worth of profit. I mean, think about that. If they think they're going to lose the appeal, Microsoft will just license the technology for say $100 mil (sorry, "an undisclosed amount") which i4i will happily take.

7. The final problem is this use of metadata is pervasive. I bet companies like Adobe and Apple are following at this case very closely, maybe also Oracle/Sun since some of their Java code might infringe as well.
by ehfla August 12, 2009 5:39 AM PDT
This is a ridiculous suit. You can't sue people for using XML...it's an open standard. You can't sue people for encoding documents...that has been going on long before the 1998 date of the patent. Patents for pre-existing processes are considered invalid.

Microsoft gets hit by these types of suits all the time, from people who want to get rich quick.
by dennisheadley August 12, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
It is not XML that is the issue here, and the use of XML does not mean that nothing about their product can be patented.

Take for example: you build a web browser or a multimedia player. Just because they may use Ogg Theora does not mean that you cannot patent/copyright some feature of the overall package, like a new way to stream it to your computer in a new way that uses less bandwidth and resources to generate a higher quality and resolution image than everyone else is using.
by jfhorsfield August 12, 2009 6:18 AM PDT
They are a shell company. Either paying people for innovation or stealing it, just as he stole DOS. Why should anything change from how he started the company? Especially if he got rich doing it. There is no incentive fro microsoft to play honest, or produce a superior product. They are being rewarded with billions upon billions of dollars for stealing work, presenting it as their own inferior, lackluster product. So until the demos demand honesty in business, business will continue to cheat and steal and produce as poor of a product as we will buy. Which apparently is pretty bad, people will buy anything, it's all in the marketing.
by PrimalZed August 12, 2009 6:37 AM PDT
@jfhorsfield - the way I always heard it is that Gates specifically warned that unpatented/uncopyrighted material (can't remember which) in the computing world can and will be stolen by others to make a profit. His warnings were not heeded, so he stole it to make a profit. This article is a decidedly different issue because the feature in question was alreay patented.

(I'm not saying that what he did back then was right, just that it's not directly analogous with what's going on today. In any event, isn't Gates retired from the company?)
by Jeremy Chappell August 12, 2009 6:38 AM PDT
I dislike Microsoft as much as the next man, but really "stealing other people's stuff"?! There are times when that charge has been true, this just isn't one of them. When is the US going to see sense on patent law? This is simply stupid, some "patent troll" can stop Microsoft from selling Word (hardly the most innovative product) because of such an obvious feature. This is Microsoft using XML for what XML is for! (Don't get me started on what they've done to stifle competition with XML formats - that's a different story).
by troyoverton August 12, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
@mbenedict:

Thank you for providing a thought-out and insightful opine about the article, comment and facts. It's nice to see things like this (intelligence) occasionally when the comments are generally filled with trolling.
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by krash3x August 12, 2009 12:05 AM PDT
Wow pwned. but thats just a drop in the bucket and they wont learn anything from it.
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by bananaphonerules August 12, 2009 3:00 AM PDT
Nothing to learn. We're ALL pwned by this patent ruling. Microsoft just happens to have the biggest wallet.
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:47 AM PDT
In all seriousness, patent trolls suck - even if it's Microsoft getting it in the neck.

(and if a certain district court in East Texas were ordered to close its doors tomorrow morning, I'm certain the entire frickin' IT industry would break out in one gigantic spontaneous party...)
by xaduurv August 13, 2009 3:53 PM PDT
I doubt that $200 mil plus the $40 odd mil amounts to a drop in the bucket, even for Microsoft. Even if it was, there seems to be a lot of rain falling in that bucket lately, i.e. the EU antitrust fine.

I wonder just how much more they can take, from court losses to ever gradually declining marketshare.
by hadl4344 August 12, 2009 12:07 AM PDT
The end has come.
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by Seaspray0 August 12, 2009 6:35 AM PDT
Nope, the world is still here.
by paul.saulnier August 12, 2009 12:10 AM PDT
Okay, so it's Microsoft. Haha. But come on now, patents regarding XML? It's such a simple method of storing any information that no patent should be allowed to cover it. And Word 2003 is affected by this? Shouldn't the patent owners be penalized and ignored for not, uh, speaking up sooner, like back in 2003?
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by Lerianis3 August 12, 2009 1:55 AM PDT
Yes, they should. The fact is that they should have said something or filed a lawsuit AS SOON AS THEY REALIZED SOMETHING WAS INFRINGING, and if they had looked, they would have realized this back in 2003 or earlier than that.
by eswinson August 12, 2009 2:40 AM PDT
As long as they were within the statute of limitations they could take as long as necessary. Most likely they tried to settle first and Microsoft didn't want to pay what they were asking for in licensing fees and decided they would take their chance in court. MS is notorious for dragging out negotiations on things just to buy time to decided not to use or change what they are doing so they don't have to pay.
by Lerianis3 August 12, 2009 3:04 AM PDT
eswinson, the statute of limitations for copyright enforcement is ONE year from the time that you find that something is infringing on your patents. That means that they should be thrown out of court because the case (if they had looked at Office 2003) should have been brought all the way back in 2004.
Congress made these statutes of limitations VERY strict in order to keep patent trolls from sitting on a patent and then trying to sue people once those other people made a successful product.
by mbenedict August 12, 2009 3:27 AM PDT
@Lerianis3: That's incorrect.

First of all, this is a PATENT case, not a COPYRIGHT case. Normally the statute of limitations for a civil PATENT enforcement suit is six years.

Secondly, even if it were a COPYRIGHT case, the statute of limitations for civil action is 3 years after "the last act of infringement" (five years for criminal). I.e., if a party is infringing from 2003 until the present, then the statute of limitations hasn't run out yet (and wont run out until 3 years after the party stops infringing).
by steveofbrisbane August 12, 2009 12:20 AM PDT
I wonder what Tim Bray would have to say about this one. I don't see how you can get a patient on an obvious application of XML (1998), which based on SGML (1986), which is based on GML (1960s). In this case I am on Microsoft's side.
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by dkrobbins1 August 12, 2009 3:04 AM PDT
I agree. How can there be a patent on an application of XML?
These lawsuits against Microsoft are becoming ridiculous and I think these small courts judge against Microsoft for spite instead of reality.
I'd like the courts to realize what they have just asked Microsoft to do and how it will affect way more than just Microsoft.
by Sourdust August 12, 2009 5:08 AM PDT
I don't think it's spite, they just understand the technology they're ruling on or how to apply prior art unless it's exactly related to word processing file formats.
by webdev511 August 12, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, where the jury is lost right after Microsoft's lawyer told them that DTD stood for Document Type Definition. Do you actually think that any of member of the jury even remembers what XML is ? Me either.

It sounds to me that the patent as granted was too broad, or shouldn't have been granted at all, but I'd have to read the patent and case minutes to be sure.
by billstewart August 12, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
Either the patent should have been rejected by the patent office as obvious to one skilled in the trade, or else the company possibly added some new useful work on top of a large body of existing work - but this story doesn't sound like the company's suing MS for infringing on anything original they did, just on the basic concept of using XML for a word processor.

I was working on standards committees for using SGML back in the late 80s, and as you say XML is basically an update to SGML. The big problem was that SGML was a content description language, not a page description language, and people have been trying to wedge page description into it since the beginning, just as they later tried to do with HTML (which is why CSS was developed.) I gather the standards folks tried to make it easier to do with XML than its predecessors. But certainly there's no new fundamental concept here - the most they could have infringed would have been implementation details. I smell patent trolls.
by August 12, 2009 12:23 AM PDT
It's so difficult to get along nowadays... Always attacking each other for this and that.
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by PhaseDMA August 12, 2009 1:10 AM PDT
What?
by Seaspray0 August 12, 2009 6:37 AM PDT
Some people only feel better by making other people miserable.
by stockyjoe August 12, 2009 12:34 AM PDT
You know usually I would defend MS (yeah I know) but in this case I agree with the courts. This is the typical Microsoft shenanigan of the past. They make a DOC format based of XML and want to make that XML proprietary so it is not open and standard? Didnt we just climb that hurdle with Explorer? Now they want to do it with XML in word?

We have people using word 2007 and its hard enough already dealing with the incompatability problems that users run into when they receive a docx file etc. MS has really underestimated the frustration level of all this crap because a lot of Attorneys and Judges use Office and I bet thay are very familiar with these annoyances. lol MS.

This is one of the more common sense rulings I've ever read. You want to know what nightmares happen when there are no standards? Go try and deal with RFID and RFID printer labels. What a joke.
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by stockyjoe August 12, 2009 12:42 AM PDT
Ok I'M an idiot I retract a bit of what I said. I should read everything before I speak. If this is due to some comapny claiming patent infringement on XML then I have to side a bit with MS here. What company can have a patent on XML
whe using custom tags? Isnt that part of the whole purpose of XML?
by fazalmajid August 12, 2009 12:34 AM PDT
East Texas' mickey-mouse courts are a favorite venue for patent trolls. I remember driving through Beaumont, TX and seeing a billboard put by the DA, no less, where he bemoaned "Welcome to Beaumont, where a mean can brutally beat his wife to death with no consequences".
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by lixpaulian August 12, 2009 12:59 AM PDT
Software patents must be eliminated. What a shame for the US Patents system!
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by belchmelch August 12, 2009 2:54 AM PDT
ok sure... so someone can steal my code and re-sell them as their own.

here is a good compromise that i do think is fair, patents should not be awarded for hypothetical products. products should appear at least in prototype within 12 months of the application in my view.

totally eliminating patents? unwise...
eliminating vaporware patents... reasonable.
by dennisheadley August 12, 2009 5:18 AM PDT
There has to be something to protect developers or they will never develop in the first place. I am all for getting rid of IP companies that patent ideas or snatch up patents from others and then go looking for a payout without ever making a product, but there has to be something more than the copyright system to protect legitimate developers.

This case involves a real company that made a real product that was at the time this patent was filed recognized as the top program of its type that was period. A quick search on the company and the back story to this lawsuit will turn up all kinds of stories about this company and how they were on a rocket ride to the top in this area of XML document storage and office interoperability and won contract after contract with government agencies from (ironically) the US Patent Office (largest single purchase of software licenses in history at the time) to run on 30,000 machines in their office, to the FDA, the Smithsonian, etc. To this day almost all major pharmaceutical companies use their licensed technologies or software packages for interacting with the FDA when submitting documents.

I usually would be speaking out myself about all this being a waste of time and the court system, but after reading a few articles on it earlier this year when they won $200 million from a jury when they themselves asked for $25 million, i found that this company is only after what they considered fair which is MS paying licensing fees for the IP that they used.
by odubtaig August 12, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
Belchmelch, don't confuse patents and copyright.
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:49 AM PDT
"ok sure... so someone can steal my code and re-sell them as their own. "

That's what copyright is for. I suggest learning the diff before selling your "code".
by JoeF2 August 12, 2009 8:48 AM PDT
@belchmelch:
"ok sure... so someone can steal my code and re-sell them as their own. "

Seems you are confusing patents and copyright.
You can NOT patent code. You can only copyright it.
Please educate yourself about these things.
by steveofbrisbane August 12, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
dennisheadley, you make a good point. However just because i4i was the first company to make use of XML for word processing etc. doesn't mean it was their idea. As I said in my other post, XML can be traced back to the 1960s. I haven't read every line of the patient, and there may be a component that was indeed an original idea that Microsoft copied. But I have doubts that this is worth $200M. I would like to see Microsoft get a pat on the back for supporting a standard, not a lawsuit.
by BigGuns149 August 12, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
@belchmelch: source code can be copyrighted so the claim that someone can simply resell your code without your consent is a dubious claim on the need for software patents.
by MyRightEye August 12, 2009 1:12 AM PDT
It's Microsoft, so it's kinda like seeing the schoolyard bully meet his match and cop a black eye - and that's always enjoyable to watch, but this patent BS needs to stop.
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by Lerianis3 August 12, 2009 3:05 AM PDT
Hey, Microsoft doesn't deseve this crap. Really, the patent office should ONLY allow patents on COMPLETE HARDWARE or SOFTWARE PACKAGES..... meaning only on something like...... Microsoft Office as a freaking WHOLE. On OpenOffice as a WHOLE. Etc. etc. etc.

Get rid of this stupid piecemeal software patents... problem solved!
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
Limit patenting only to tangible items, and I'd agree.
by empirestatebuddy August 12, 2009 1:12 AM PDT
Microsoft will probably win on appeal.
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by Lerianis3 August 12, 2009 1:57 AM PDT
Yep, they will, and I hope the higher courts stomps HARD on this judge for even entertaining this lawsuit in his court, when he should have laughed this company out of court.
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
Perhaps, perhaps not. That will take years to do, and meanwhile the injunction will stand.
by JoeF2 August 12, 2009 8:52 AM PDT
@Lerianis3:
And you are the authority on this???
May I suggest learning patent law before posting?
by Armitage57 August 12, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
@Random_Walk
No, these appeals do not take years... usually. And the injunction order normally will be suspended when the higher court agrees to hear the case.

@JoeF2
Lerianis3 is right you twit. Maybe you should learn something about XML before you post. the XML standard has this implementation in mind for unlimited possible uses. How can you patent a feature of a technical standard developed prior to the patent and based on another technical standard developed 20 years before that? The patent is obviously invalid and never should have been issued as it attempts to take ownership of any Markup Language ever created, ALL of them before the patent was issued!
by Armitage57 August 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
@Random_Walk
No, these appeals do not take years... usually. And the injunction order normally will be suspended when the higher court agrees to hear the case.

@JoeF2
Lerianis3 is right you twit. Maybe you should learn something about XML before you post. the XML standard has this implementation in mind for unlimited possible uses. How can you patent a feature of a technical standard developed prior to the patent and based on another technical standard developed 20 years before that? The patent is obviously invalid and never should have been issued as it attempts to take ownership of any Markup Language ever created, ALL of them before the patent was issued!
by Armitage57 August 12, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
@Random_Walk
No, these appeals do not take years... usually. And the injunction order normally will be suspended when the higher court agrees to hear the case.

@JoeF2
Lerianis3 is right you twit. Maybe you should learn something about XML before you post. the XML standard has this implementation in mind for unlimited possible uses. How can you patent a feature of a technical standard developed prior to the patent and based on another technical standard developed 20 years before that? The patent is obviously invalid and never should have been issued as it attempts to take ownership of any Markup Language ever created, ALL of them before the patent was issued!
by JoeF2 August 12, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
Armitage:
I give the "twit" right back to you.
This is not a patent about XML, it is about the use of XML in a certain environment.
Now,t he patent may or may not be valid, but neither you twit nor Leranis are qualified to judge that.
Now crawl back into your hole, troll.
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
"No, these appeals do not take years... usually."

Microsoft has 60 days to convince them to stay the injunction.

If they do not, then the injunction stands for the duration (years - at least 1.5 as IP lawsuits go), and somebody will have to launch a crash program to do a major rewrite on their product's codebase, just in order to continue selling said product.
by jeffhoi August 12, 2009 1:16 AM PDT
I smell some major BS round here. I agree with Mr.RightEye.. This patent crap is getting out of hand.
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by BPMelvin August 12, 2009 1:23 AM PDT
If this is a patent violation I believe most xml based apps are vulnerable....but it seems as though ther will be a lot of prior art pulled out of the woodwork on this one
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by ckh1272 August 12, 2009 1:23 AM PDT
Only in Texas can they waste the taxpayer dollar with this patent infringement BS!! Patent trolls indeed.
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by YaHa96 August 12, 2009 2:34 AM PDT
Wow... What will even happen to us if MS Word disappeared?
Use typing machine? LOL
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by belchmelch August 12, 2009 2:56 AM PDT
nope... use all the word processing apps available for free or donation...
by Lerianis3 August 12, 2009 3:07 AM PDT
Ah, but there is the rub.... if Word infringes on this patent.... guess what OpenOffice does! DING DING DING! IT INFRINGES TOO! (sing the stuff in capital with me!)
This is the reason why the Supreme Court needs to clamp down on these patent trolls and put some of them in jail, for bringing frivolous lawsuits.
by dennisheadley August 12, 2009 4:32 AM PDT
Would you please stop with the patent troll line. It is not the case with this lawsuit. They had a product, one that was considered the best available anywhere at the time (late 1990's early 2000's) and MS duplicated not just the ideas it is based on, but from what I read in previous months duplication of their actual programming. The legal fight started way back then and has gone through several rounds of litigation.

It is not being a Patent Troll to protect the R&D that you did to come up with a product that at the time nobody else was offering and a lot of big name customers were licensing. The courts should most definitely protect developers from having their works used by others for profit without compensation. If it not ok for these people to get payed for the processes they developed, then there is nothing wrong with me,for example just duplicating any licensed IP from MS, Adobe, etc and just using it at will. People want to say nothing in software should be protected by patents but who exactly would create anything new if it was not.
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:54 AM PDT
"Ah, but there is the rub.... if Word infringes on this patent.... guess what OpenOffice does!"

Actually, it doesn't. This only involves XML usage; OOo Writer uses ODF-based formats and the pre-XML MS Word format.

IOW, the XML-based format in contention = .docx, not .doc
by QuantumWannabe August 12, 2009 7:02 AM PDT
Newer versions of OpenOffice can open and save .***x files
by Hernys August 12, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
@ belchmelch August 12, 2009 2:56 AM PDT
> nope... use all the word processing apps available for free or donation...

As long as they use proprietary document formats and don't use XML...
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
"Newer versions of OpenOffice can open and save .***x files"

One patch later, and that's no longer a problem.
by DigitalAngelic August 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm230/ChaosAngelic/xml.png

OpenOffice does in fact support Office XML files.
by mbenedict August 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
This patent suit is NOT about XML document formats. It's not about .DOCX or ODF.

It's about the implementation of a Word-specific external data mapping feature called "Custom XML", but the use XML here is of secondary importance. Had Microsoft implemented this mapping feature using CSV, they'd still be infringing.

The $200 million question is whether anyone can now find prior art to this patent. My own belief is this patent should be invalidated, but obviously so far Microsoft hasn't been able to come up with a convincing prior art.
by DrtyDogg August 13, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
As best I can tell yes this patent has everything to do with Custom XML output. In this case the custom XML output by default is a OOXML file. ODF is the same thing. The patent is about using multiple files to separate content from formatting using XML (from what I can tell, I am not an expert) If that is correct than yes OpenOffice could also be in "violation." As ODF is very similar to OOXML inside(open it in your favorite archive program to see).
by Thomas, David August 12, 2009 4:10 AM PDT
No Microsoft fanboy here, but this is just another example of patents gone wild with stupid litigation.
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by blusky08 August 12, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
Nevertheless, don't shed any tears for M$. Take a look at some of their license agreements lately, and look at the legal restrictions and/or nightmares they willfully create for customers.
by drfrost August 17, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
I'm not sure. Microsoft has a history of taking technology that it wants from smaller companies. I haven't seen enough evidence to know if that's what is going on here or if it's just "stupid litigation." Regardless, software patents are a bad idea.... always have been, always will be.
by Belinus August 12, 2009 4:37 AM PDT
Here's how you know it is a Patent Trolling Case:

If i4i is based in Toronto, Ontario and Microsoft is based in Redmond, Washington, why is this bearing heard in Texas? It should be heard in the 9th circuit where Microsoft and the alleged infringement took place.

But what is Texas? Favorable to patent trolls.
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by mbenedict August 12, 2009 5:31 AM PDT
Microsoft is not incorporated in Washington. Rather, it is a Delaware corporation. In any case, legally the plaintiffs can sue in any U.S. District Court the patent is being infringed upon (in this case, anywhere allegedly infringing products such as "Word" is being sold).

U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas may or may not be plaintiff friendly, but consider that: 1) Microsoft could have filed a motion to move the proceedings to another jurisdiction if it wanted to; and 2) the same court (indeed the very same judge) has granted favorable rulings to Microsoft on previous patent cases, including a summary motion to dismiss a different patent case earlier this year.
by AppleSuxLeo August 12, 2009 5:18 AM PDT
They aren't getting my WORD. It came with my puter back in 2000 and still does what I need it to do...even several puters later.
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by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
That version of Word isn't at issue ;)
by jscott418 August 12, 2009 5:32 AM PDT
I agree with some of the first posts that these small companies see dollar signs when they see Microsoft and pretty much think a court threat will force a big company to just settle. Apple gets the same thing.
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by wigmo August 12, 2009 5:40 AM PDT
If Microsoft is infringing on this patent, then so are a lot of us.
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by drfrost August 14, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
That's because it doesn't pass the "obvious to someone reasonably skilled in the art" test.

Software patents were one of the worst ideas of recent history.
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