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January 13, 2009 4:00 AM PST

A tale of two Windows installs

by Ina Fried
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CNET News' Ina Fried installed Windows twice this weekend. On one machine, she installed the beta of Windows 7. But on the other, an old machine she was giving to a friend, she "downgraded" the machine from Vista to Windows XP.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News )

This weekend, I loaded fresh copies of Windows onto two PCs.

Like many people, I downloaded the Windows 7 Beta and installed it. But that wasn't the only PC task I had over the weekend.

I had an old PC I used for my early Vista testing that my partner was complaining had begun to gather dust. So, I offered the machine to a friend of mine that had only a very old PC. I gave her the option of XP or Vista and she quickly proclaimed, "Oh, XP, definitely."

And, of course, therein lies Microsoft's challenge with Vista, a challenge that hasn't abated despite ads such as the Mojave campaign that Microsoft has run in an effort to convince PC users that Vista has gotten a bad rap.

Had my friend been interested, I would have happily explained the pros and cons of each operating system, at least as I see things. But, she wasn't looking for that. She'd heard enough about Vista.

I've been writing about people "downgrading" to XP for a long time now, but this is the first time I've actually gone through the process myself.

The technical maneuver was fairly simple. Vista itself didn't want to let my make the move, but it was no problem once I rebooted with a Windows XP disk. I decided to do a clean install, as opposed to using the recovery disks. It was a consumer Compaq machine I bought in late 2005 and it came loaded with a ton of "crapware."

First, though, I unplugged the PC's Ethernet cable, knowing full well that putting an unprotected Windows XP machine on to the Internet is akin to pushing a baby carriage in the street to see if there is traffic.

I connected the computer back up only after I had loaded Service Pack 2 and security software. That's a precaution I might not take were I installing Vista, or even Windows 7. Not that I wouldn't run security software, I just wouldn't worry about connecting it to the Internet for a few minutes unprotected.

Anyway, within a few hours, I was done. The Compaq machine was zippier as an XP machine than it had been as a Vista computer. It was a low-end Vista machine to be sure--512MB of memory and an integrated graphics card.

As for the Windows 7 machine, it's a loaner Lenovo X300 from Microsoft. I will be using it as my main machine for the next little while, testing it out both at work as well as playing with some of its consumer features.

The install itself, an upgrade installation from the pre-beta build I had been running, was quick and painless. I found the machine as I'd left it, but now with all of the eye candy that was missing from the version given out in October.

On Monday, I decided to give Windows Media Center a whirl. I took a Hauppauge WinTV tuner out of the box, plugged it in. Without bothering to look at a manual, I started clicking on menu options.

In just a few minutes, I had Sesame Street up and running in high definition. I clicked record and Windows 7 started burning Elmo's giggly face to my hard drive. As I tried to annoy my co-workers by playing the furry red monster back while it was still recording, though, I managed to crash my graphics driver. It got locked in a loop, eventually prompting a blue screen of death.

That said, after a reboot, Windows 7 was back and zippy as ever. Elmo has been recording the whole time I have been writing this piece without a hitch. Nonetheless, Microsoft suggested I do a clean install of Windows 7, as opposed to the upgrade from the pre-beta, so I am doing that as well.

As for Windows 7, I am a big fan so far. I really enjoy using the new taskbar to move between a whole host of open windows.

As my real-world desktop all too clearly indicates, I don't like keeping things organized. So I'm a big fan of anything that lets me navigate, rather than clean up, my mess. Particularly handy is the button in the bottom right-hand corner that lets me make all the windows disappear from the screen.

Over the coming days, I'll be installing more software, connecting the machine to various networks and otherwise putting it through it's paces. And of course, I'll be letting folks know what I find out. In the mean time, feel free to share your own experiences below, or drop me a note.

Elmo learns to ride a tricycle as CNET News' Ina Fried learns the ins and outs of Media Center in Windows 7.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News )

Click here for more news on Windows 7.

Originally posted at Beyond Binary
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.


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by Sausagebiscuit January 13, 2009 4:27 AM PST
Ina: First you have a typo here...
"The technical maneuver was fairly simple. Vista itself didn't want to let my make the move, but it was no problem once I rebooted with a Windows XP disk." -- let my make the move. Let my what?

2nd, how about you install Windows 7 on the 2005 PC and see how it runs -- that is if it will let you install on 512MB of ram. Just curious. Or at least drop 1GB in there and test their min. requirements.
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by Worf101 January 13, 2009 4:28 AM PST
Nice to see a "real world" test, but I wished you'd put the Beta through some paces, particularly driver installation for common items such as printers, gaming keyboards, etc... Still and all thanks for the information.

Da Worfster
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by medtondo January 13, 2009 4:34 AM PST
So far I am a big fan of Windows 7 as well. I installed it on a 4 year old Dell XPS Gamer Gen1 laptop and had a few hiccups with the ATI 9800 Pro video driver, but that was soon fixed and the system runs well.

The whole recount of Day One with Windows 7 is here http://www.ryangroom.com/2009/01/09/windows-7-beta-and-dell-xps-laptop-gen-1/
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by EyE322 January 13, 2009 4:35 AM PST
Windows Vista is the Windows ME of 2008
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by cbmtrx January 13, 2009 4:58 AM PST
Yeah, I have a question: Is Windows 7 as uninspired and quotidian as most Microsoft products seek to become, or does it possess anything that might suggest that imagination, creativity, and, above all, usability were in some way involved in its genesis?
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by Ted Miller January 13, 2009 5:11 AM PST
I am a Vista user on one of my home computers, although I use it all the time, I dispise it totaly. My bigggest gripe is simple file management. It is the worst I have ever seen in any operating system. You simply cannot use it. After all, is that not the most fundamental reason for an operating system...file management. At least XP offered a thousand ways to copy and move files. Try that with Vista or 7. You can't! Compressing in vista is also a joke, the copy and compression of files is slower then an IBM PC-XT. Please we are not idiots as you might think we are and stop the stupidity and Microsoft bootlicking NOW and start telling us the truth about things. Or CNet may find it self on the outside looking in along with Microsoft.
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by Thompa January 13, 2009 5:13 AM PST
After my experience of receiving what was touted as a 'complimentary' copy of Vista at one of the Nationwide Launch (remember those?) and then having it disabled by Microsoft later without any notice... forcing me to expend much time and energy correcting the situation... I certainly will NOT be installing any beta editions of Windows 7 on any of the systems I maintain.
Please everyone, be aware that there will be issues later for everyone installing a beta version - read the warning page before downloading carefully and do not get drawn into the hype.
If you are happy with XP.... stay there for a while!
We really do need some real world testing of Windows 7 with drivers and software before judging whether the eye candy is worth the cost.
As I see it the operating system should be known about but be discrete enough to not interfere in the operations of the software used on the machine!
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by zcline January 13, 2009 5:15 AM PST
Being in IT I can't seem to figure out why everyone is looking for imagination, creativity, etc. Mac and Windows both share the same issues... they are becoming exponentially bloated as technology increases. Why isn't speed our main concern? Why isn't speed Microsoft's main concern? While companies realize that some of us want features, others like myself would rather not have to wait for a huge OS to load.

As a professional machine, Vista has been a nightmare. For the home it's an absolute joy. I'm hoping Windows 7 can be exceptional at both. Thanks for the article.
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by wolivere January 13, 2009 5:15 AM PST
I'm not sure what the train of thought here is. Microsoft has always been the company that takes good/great ideas that are niche. And turn them into something that is just that an every day experience.

I think if you are looking for a Picaso from Microsoft, thats the wrong road to go down.

Microsoft is the embodiment of US industry, which has always been light on home grown break throughs. But takes very good ideas, wraps them in marketing and sping, packages them and gets them out to the mass's. Much like the old Model T.
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by greg3305 January 13, 2009 5:22 AM PST
This is news? XP zippier than Vista? You're complaining about the performance of a Vista machine with only 512MB of RAM, some of which is going to be borrowed for video memory? Vista has gotten a bad rap because people like you try to install it on ancient machines that aren't capable of running it, and are then surprised when it doesn't work. Yes, it requires more powerful hardware than XP. Yes, that may be a drawback for individuals and businesses that don't have the money to spend on hardware. But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the OS.
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by miltimj January 13, 2009 5:24 AM PST
Wow, what a worthless "review". You're excited about... "Particularly handy is the button in the bottom right-hand corner that lets me make all the windows disappear from the screen." ....?? The "Show Desktop" icon that's been available for a decade now? How about WindowsKey-M? Does the same thing.

How about checking out any of the actual new features? Running HD on your computer isn't one of them, by the way.
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by sargebx January 13, 2009 5:33 AM PST
hello i read a post that had asked to install windows 7 on a minimum requirements pc well i got it

i have installed windows 7 on a athlon xp 2800 that is 2.1 ghz
with 1 gig of ram and an ati x800 graphics card now i know this isnt rock bottom specs but it is rather close and windows 7 runs great there is no lag in any features that i have tried so far
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by Chilly Penguin January 13, 2009 5:36 AM PST
>> As for the Windows 7 test machine, it's a loaner Lenovo X300 from Microsoft.

Just curious. You'll be returning this "loaner" to Microsoft when you're done with your testing, yes?
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by kuroyama--2008 January 13, 2009 5:40 AM PST
I understand full disclosure and all of that, but I have to wonder just how objective we can expect an OS review to be when said reviewer is using 'loaner machines from Microsoft'.
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by inachu January 13, 2009 5:44 AM PST
World of Warcraft plays a lot smoother with Windows 7.
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by srice555 January 13, 2009 5:45 AM PST
"First, though, I unplugged the PC's Ethernet cable, knowing full well that putting an unprotected Windows XP machine on to the Internet is akin to pushing a baby carriage in the street to see if there is traffic."

You did this at work right? Let me guess.... your department got a full /24 from the ISP so that every pc is in your group can be connected directly to the internet with an internet route able address and no firewall. Stupid is as stupid does.
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by rich5665 January 13, 2009 5:47 AM PST
I loaded a clean install of Windows 7 onto a circa 2001 Compaq DeskPro, 1.5 GHz P4 - 512MB RAM and a 128MB Nvidia Graphics Card. The install went smoothly. I don't believe I have ever had a Windows install finish as fast as the Win 7 install. I was suprised that I had to download a video driver for a 6 year old graphics adapter and the integrated audio device. I have an older Linksys USB Wireless Card and loaded the WinXP driver in order to use it. So far I'm please with the look and feel of the OS, my only issue is during shutdown process, the system hangs so I have to power the system down manually. IE 8 is nice, but I'll pass on Microsoft's Live Search Utility. While doing a search for AVGFree ver.8, Live Search displayed quite a few links that pointed to Antivirus 2009 which in itself is a Trojan. Loaded the Google Tool after that. Win 7's UAC is much friendlieras well and gives you more control over the enoying warning that popped up when trying to install software. Even the warning seems to have gooten a new look from the Vista Version. If the Beta is any indication of the final product, I will skip Vista completely for Win 7.
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by i8246i January 13, 2009 5:48 AM PST
So...you wrote a few paragraphs about Windows 7....and briefly mentioned Windows XP...while kind of stabbing a few remarks at Vista..


How exactly is this "A Tale OF Two Windows Installs"? Why didn't you do a speed test between the two computers on similar tasks (nevermind you didn't attempt to install XP on a similar desktop or laptop..so you really couldn't have done any real comparisons), or relate more to some of the problems you have had (or your friend has had)?

This is comparable to an entry in someone's Livejournal...definitely not worth the money you made today. Perhaps you need to make this a part of a series of "journal entries" as you follow the ups and downs of using these machines...perhaps even seeing if you can dual-boot XP and 7 on that "loaner" you have?

Even better, have a three way brawl between XP, Vista, and Windows 7.
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by wishfor420 January 13, 2009 6:09 AM PST
I just finished my gaming pc with XP running. Phenom 9950, Gforce 8800GT, 4GB ram. Call of duty runs at 60fps with resolution and all settings cranked up. After just finishing the final tweaks with this I would not even think about loading a Beta Microsoft product on this machine. So the power of VMware compels me. Vmware workstation 6.5.1 Created a 20GB virtual disk, 1GB memory and loaded windows 7 on in about 30 min. Quite surprised that everything went smoothly. I did notice that during the install I did not see a place to put the Key but Microsoft did not hesitate to remind me once the OS was loaded. Installed Office 2007 Pro, Firefox, Clone-DVD, DVDShrink, Kaspersky AV suite (the demo they give for Win7 users) along with VLC. I tried to play DVD's in this virtual machine with no luck on the windows media player. It kept giving me errors about screen resolution which google-ing it I found to be a common error in Vista. VLC works with no problems. I also tried to install COD-WaW which is vista compatible. No luck. I get through the main install no problem but when updating with patch it gives me error messages. I've tested Office 2007 with load times on large, complicated excel worksheets that have many links, pictures, and visio diagrams integrated into it. Speed was about the same as the XP virtual machine with same hardware settings. No Aero interface but that just blogs down the computer even more. Not really worth it. So far I'm pretty happy with it. for a virtual machine, its a great sandbox for web browsing and downloading of new tools. Rather have this machine die than the Game PC.
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by patddymac January 13, 2009 6:10 AM PST
You gave a friend the option of XP or Vista? Can I have a copy?

You burned Elmo's giggly face to your hard drive? Wow, an optical hard drive?
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