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January 11, 2009 9:05 AM PST

Microsoft lifts download limit for Windows 7 beta

by Steven Musil

Acknowledging that its release of Windows 7 public beta (download) "was not ideal," Microsoft said it will suspend the software's 2.5 million download limit for a couple of weeks.

Windows communications manager Brandon LeBlanc announced the move in a company blog Saturday:

Due to an enormous surge in demand, the download experience was not ideal so we listened and took the necessary steps to ensure a good experience. We have clearly heard that many of you want to check out the Windows 7 Beta and, as a result, we have decided remove the initial 2.5 million limit on the public beta for the next two weeks (thru January 24th). During that time you will have access to the beta even if the download number exceeds the 2.5 million unit limit.

The software was supposed to be made available Friday, but the company delayed the release after a day filled with Web site problems.

The company has said it is aiming for several million testers of the beta version, the availability of which was announced Wednesday night by Steve Ballmer in his keynote speech at the Consumer Electronics Show. Microsoft has been aiming to have the final version ready to be on PCs for this year's holiday-shopping season, but Windows boss Bill Veghte said it is still too soon to say whether the company will make that time frame. Officially, Microsoft has promised that it will be out before the third anniversary of Vista's January 2007 mainstream launch.

You can also download the Windows 7 beta from CNET Download.com.

Steven Musil is the night news editor at CNET News. Before joining CNET News in 2000, Steven spent 10 years at various Bay Area newspapers. E-mail Steven.

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by protagonistic January 11, 2009 9:27 AM PST
I did manage to snag a copy on Friday and have been playing with it since. there does seem to be a problem installing on a system with multiple hard drives, though. I wanted to install it HD1 and not on HD0 on a system with three drives but I could not get it to install. The error messages were extremely less than helpful as to why it would not install.

Anyway, I ended up shutting down. removing the SATA data cable from HD0 and then booting up. Once HD1 became the first HD in the system the install went smoothly. After installing I shut down and reattached the data cable to HD0 and rebooted. I can now press F12, which brings up the BIOS boot device menu on my system, and select the drive. It does boot this way just fine.
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by rapier1 January 11, 2009 12:45 PM PST
I installed mine on a partition on the 3 sata channel. The 1st two were being used by a raid 0 array. I had no problem except that, on boot, the raid array wasn't active. I went into the drive manager, activated it, and it everything was up and running. Not ideal but it was a painless install otherwise.
by Penguinisto January 12, 2009 1:09 PM PST
Installation went okay (on a blank machine/HDD).

Problem is, I turned off and disabled the following services:
* Superfetch
* Windows Search
* Themes
* App Experience

Before I turned them off, the system was sucking down 754MB of RAM (though SuperFetch distorts these figures).

After I disabled these services and rebooted, the system was STILL eating 507MB (not as bad as Vista, but still... yuck.)

Turn on IE and Paint (I used Paint to save the screenshots), and the figure jumps to 609MB.

RAM may be cheap, but damn... this is looking a LOT like Vista R2.

Still a lot of bugs, but as a beta, it's to be expected.... not nearly as polished as the blogs claim it to be, though.

/P
by Penguinisto January 12, 2009 1:21 PM PST
Ah - forgot the machine stats:

HP/Compaq 6710b
Centrino Duo
1024MB RAM (...what? the claim was that the OS would be easier on system resources, so...)
by bburn--2008 January 11, 2009 9:47 AM PST
Yeah I downloaded it Saturday afternoon, the 64-bit edition, without problems. It detected all my peripherals too. Played with it a bit; got a couple blue screens. My first impression: keeping in mind that it is a Beta it is not much different from Vista. In fact, it could easily be called Vista Second Edition. But I think it's way too early to make a judgment call. I think once it reaches RC1 we'll have a better idea of what MS is trying to do with this thing.
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by Fiendish_Ghoul January 11, 2009 9:54 AM PST
Snagged the ISO Friday night and the registration Saturday morning. Currently running the beta on hd1 of a dual drive, triple boot system, and no problems yet. I do agree with those who say that there's not a whole lot of difference between 7 and Vista, however, it does seem to be lighter on resources, which is nice.
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by protagonistic January 11, 2009 11:41 AM PST
Are you using SATA drives? On my system it would see the drive but when I selected it to install to it would refuse to do so. I even went so far as to delete the partition, create a new primary partition consisting of the entire drive and formatting it NTFS and it still refused to install. I just formatted the partition as FAT32 the first time and it said the partition had to be NTFS and refused to install. The error messages during this process were not at all helpful. :-)
by Fiendish_Ghoul January 11, 2009 12:07 PM PST
Yessir, SATA drives. Installed to a 20Gb NTFS primary partition. Best of luck!
by wolivere January 12, 2009 10:02 AM PST
Same with me I installed it on drive 3 no issues.

The only problem I ran into was with AVG's anti virus, I was sure I told it no tool bar but it installed one, then when I went to unistall it the system kept blue screening over and over. I finally un installed with out having it delete the private data. That worked fine, then I just manually deleted the private data. Installed Kaspersky after that with no issues.

I connected to my NAS, then used it to stream to the XBOX360 with no issues. Worked fine.

Start up shut down huge speed difference, and foot print seams nice and light.
by bakedpatato January 11, 2009 10:36 AM PST
Strangely, you can't get a key if you use Firefox. It does work on IE though.
Yeah, I got the ISO on friday and I installed to a VM until I could get a key, which I did today.
On the VM, it's nice, installs fast, and it runs fast for the fact its in a VM(my poor Core Duo 1.6 is too slow)
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by kenpm January 11, 2009 11:24 AM PST
FYI, I've had no problems getting either 64 bit or 32 bit keys using Firefox 3.0.
by Fiendish_Ghoul January 11, 2009 12:09 PM PST
I used Firefox to acquire mine as well.
by eddieknoll January 11, 2009 11:15 AM PST
Typical Microsoft POS. Won't install as dual boot even on a clean disk.
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by protagonistic January 11, 2009 11:37 AM PST
Having left the Windows world over five years ago I have to disagree with you a bit. I have used Vista and I think this, even in beta stage, is clearly better than Vista. That being said, this appears to be what Vista should have been. My biggest problem with it is that it looks like, once again, MS is going to charge Vista users to get the stability and performance they did not get with Vista. This really should be a service pack for Vista users.

I have also found a 100% reproducible bug that locks up the system to the point of requiring the use of the power button to get out of. On the positive side, the lockup does not seem to hose the system when you have to do a hard reset. All in all I think it is nicely done, but there is nothing in it that would entice me to switch back to Windows.
by Fiendish_Ghoul January 11, 2009 12:11 PM PST
Not sure why some are having such difficulties installing as dual boot. If you please will refer to my initial comment, I am running the beta in addition to XP Pro and Ubuntu.
by MorganTN January 11, 2009 11:26 AM PST
I got one on Friday as well. And I have to say the way it performs is remarkable. Having ran vista on this machine loaded down with apps and files vs Windows 7 with the same aps and files copied over and doing the same amount of work as I did on a daily basis under vista there is a clear performance upgrade.

I hated the task bar at first but I am growing to love it. I don't particularly care for Explorer (file & network) but now that I have a feel for how it works its not so bad. I think Microsoft has done a good job this time around.

Having used many Microsoft Betas I am really impressed just how stable this one is. I can see an early release if they keep up the hard work.
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by blinkdt January 11, 2009 11:58 AM PST
At last, Windows Explorer is front and center! Seems in the past only power users tapped it, I hope the average user discovers it and learns to appreciate its versatility.

Loaded this up on Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 SP1 and it runs great. Looking forward to the final release, we'll be replacing XP and Vista accross the board if only for the deployment and networking features.

"This really should be a service pack for Vista users." Like Leopard was to Tiger? ;-)

"...but there is nothing in it that would entice me to switch back to Windows." You might when you see it running on platforms built for the OS (read: touch). And pound for pound, you always get more for less in the Windows world. This is not debatable. Always.
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by Dalkorian January 13, 2009 9:15 AM PST
by blinkdt January 11, 2009 11:58 AM PST
"This really should be a service pack for Vista users." Like Leopard was to Tiger? ;-)

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You know, I wouldn't have replied at all except that comment was so uninformed it's not even funny. You should have said "Like Snow Leopard will be to Leopard", I wouldn't have said a word (Apple has pretty much admitted Snow Leopard, or 10.6, will be a performance boost and maintenance release more than anything, they're cleaning up the code base and it's not going to introduce many new features).

But Leopard to Tiger just shows you don't know what you're talking about. I'd educate you about the differences if I thought you were really just uninformed and not a winblows apologist trolling for your master. Really I would. But pound for pound, you always get less for more when you're a slave to winblows. Always. This is not debatable.
by Maximusprime2x January 11, 2009 12:31 PM PST
I got a copy yesterday and set it up on a old game rig I built 4.5 years ago with a AMD 4000+ cpu on a Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe mobo a ATI X1900XT video card with now 2gigs of ram 3 WD HDDs(36gig Raptor OS and 2 Two hundred gigs for storage.I loaded the 64bit version of windows 7 and it loaded without a single problem.Only issuse I have is a (Leadtek TV2000XP/EXPERTcard thats not even Vista (Media Center Certified ) but works (sometimes) In Windows7 Media Center without a 3rd party app.This is gonna be a really great OS when Microsoft finish with it. Vista used to thrash my 36gig raptor to death but not Windows 7 hardly any HDD noise at all and this is Bata.I never had any problems with Vista either and I use the 32 & 64Bit I do build my own PCs so I know how to match my components.
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by danolee January 11, 2009 12:53 PM PST
The American Auto Industry learned a hard lesson this year. You cannot keep producing a product that no one wants, no one will buy, and is disliked by consumers. Apparantly Microsoft is to stupid to read the handwriting on the wall. Computer owners are sick and tired of having to learn to use a so called new operating system every few years. These systems are not new, they are merely different. Users everywhere are taking their computers to the shop and having them downgraded to Windows XP. I have a 3 year old computer and when it finally bites the dust I will go check out a Mac computer. I refuse to even consider using any Micrsoft product that they are creating just for profit. The economy is in poor shape and it is a pretty poor time to try shoving substandard products like Vista and Windows 7 down our throat. WAKE UP MICROSOFT OR YOU MAY BE BEGGING THE GOVERNMENT FOR A BAILOUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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by spacydog January 11, 2009 9:22 PM PST
Yes, feel free to switch to the Mac environment. If you're already hurting in this economy, you'll be hurting more (out of your pocketbook) to switch over to the Mac environment. You will look cool though.
by Dalkorian January 13, 2009 9:21 AM PST
I typically recommend people in your situation to give Ubuntu a try. It's free and willing to set up in a separate partition as a "dual boot" scenario - meaning you can still use winblows when you feel the masochistic need to be beaten. And it should scream on your 3 year old box, unlike fista.

If you don't like it, format the partition and throw the install disk away. What are you out, a little time and the price of a blank CD-R? My bet is you will like it though, I sure did!
by Inconnux January 11, 2009 2:03 PM PST
I'm sure they're will be a mad rush to buy Win7 just so people can wipe Vista off their machines. Glad I've stayed with XP.
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by dalokster50 January 21, 2009 12:21 PM PST
Yeah me too!
by ideaswoman January 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST
When is Microsoft going to realise that MANY users are NOT INTERESTED in pretty graphics and heaps of features we NEVER USE. We just want an operating system that allows us to use the PROGRAMS WE HAVE INSTALLED........... NOTHING ELSE!

Many of us have stayed with XP [set to classic] and have not had to upgrade our PC because VISTA would have taken up too much of our memory.
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by sting7k January 11, 2009 3:55 PM PST
So upgrade your memory.
by January 12, 2009 1:46 AM PST
Tested this against my current Windows XP System... Windows 7 boots up 28 seconds... faster than my XP. This is the same machine.

I encourage you to download and test.
by delf76 January 11, 2009 3:04 PM PST
I had no problems installing this as a dual boot system. i don't know what the headache is all about.

I had vista Installed on my system, on a 500 Gigabyte Hard Drive. I went into disk management and selected Shrink Volume 200 gigs. I let it chug away at that, and it completed. I now had 200 gigs of free space on the disk---another partition for Windows 7.

I booted windows 7, selected the 200 gig partition, and installed without a hitch. I have been using it since. I really like it.
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by BillWindows January 11, 2009 3:21 PM PST
I installed Win 7 on triple boot, no dramas. I never had any real problems with Vista or XP for that matter. Win7 so far looks to run a little better than Vista, maybe a tad snappier. I have installed a few games with no problems. To be honest, I cant see why people would go to a Mac when they cant afford to upgrade their windows machine, that seems double Dutch to me. People that have been staying with XP, have really not got any excuse not to upgrade to Win 7 when it finally comes out.
Far as I can see this a really good system already, well done Bill Gates from BillWindows.
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by cg504 January 11, 2009 4:42 PM PST
I'm non-plussed. I installed it and the only thing that could connect to the internet was QQ. I couldn't get online and Windows couldn't activate. I played around with the settings, tried the troubleshooter, and disabled IPv6, all of which was useless. Also, the performance ratings for hardware are really strange. In vista, my computer is 5.1, 5.1, 4.4, 4.8, 4.8. In Windows 7, my computer was 4.8, 4.7, 4.8, 4.8, 2.0. I'm not sure how that works....

I think the Action center is an improvement over Vista, but I'm not sold yet on the new taskbar organization. Any thoughts?
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by Dalkorian January 13, 2009 9:27 AM PST
by cg504 January 11, 2009 4:42 PM PST
Also, the performance ratings for hardware are really strange. In vista, my computer is 5.1, 5.1, 4.4, 4.8, 4.8. In Windows 7, my computer was 4.8, 4.7, 4.8, 4.8, 2.0. I'm not sure how that works....

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LOL, that's likely the point. Keep them confused so when they run into problems you can get away with blaming them for it. Virus? Not the OS's fault you visit malicious sites. Performance problems? What did you expect after scoring a 2.0, buy a new machine already!

;-)
by aka_tripleB January 11, 2009 5:26 PM PST
I've download the beta, but I haven't installed it yet. I want to fill the last SATA port on my motherboard, and move things around to make testing less hazardous for my data. And I was sort of not at home this weekend after it downloaded; so I really couldn't install it even if I had everything I needed.
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by TheTechKid January 11, 2009 6:16 PM PST
I had an easy time installing it to the second partition of my hard disk and am now running a Suse 11.0/Windows Vista Premium/Windows 7 setup.
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by stalexone January 11, 2009 6:20 PM PST
Finally got 7 installed today. Remarkable how much it looks like Vista. I basically swapped out my laptop hard drive and installed it on the extra drive...so I can swap back and forth between Vista and 7. It uses about 20% less RAM at idle than Vista on my Dell e1705 w/2GB ram. With the Sidebar running I'm seeing about 768MB in use vs. 1050MB under Vista SP1. I really like this OS...everything works very well and it seems more smartly thought out than Vista. But now comes the part where I hold my breath and hope that MS sees and delivers on what all of us are likely realizing today: Windows 7 is just Windows Vista Service Pack 2. As such, I would strongly argue with Microsoft that a special Vista Upgrade be offered at a much lower price (I really don't think they should charge us at all, especially thoise of us who bought Vista Ultimate!) than those running XP. I mean some people spent $400 for Full Vista Ultimate and for what? Ultimate's promises never materialized. If I find that I have to spend $300 to upgrade from Vista Ultimate to 7 Ultimate, I'm going to fee royally screwed. At most, I would expect to pay $49 for 7....so I'm hoping that Microsoft reads my words at takes them to heart. It's time for MS to give something back to those who had to deal with Vista and spent big $$s to do so.
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by Dalkorian January 13, 2009 9:30 AM PST
Slaves don't make demands on their masters! Who do you think you are?
by 3Djesus January 11, 2009 7:34 PM PST
Its tellin my D945GCLF2 what to do right now. Put it on SATA hd0,1, booting XP/Ubuntu off of hd 0,0. Only problems I've had so far is on install it apparently nixed my grub menu for Windows 7 menu which don't let me boot to Ubuntu, just 'older version of windows or Windows 7'. Also while in xp, the partition with win7 shows up as d: drive; in win7 xp doesn't show up at all in (my)computer but it does in disk managment only without a drive letter cuz win 7 is now the c: drive. None of that matters however as I will be test driving Win7 as a primary OS until I'm tired of it or 08/01/09, whichever comes first .
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by Dalkorian January 13, 2009 9:37 AM PST
Not a surprise that it stomped on the Grub loader, that's typical of most winblows installs. Google it, the fix is pretty easy. I had to suffer it a few months back to get my production box back after reinstalling my game machine.
by thebigguy1 January 11, 2009 11:07 PM PST
Loaded Windows 7 on a system with 4 drives, and no installation problems whatsoever.

BUT, as always cautiously optimistic as UBUNTU Linux still gives Windows a run for it's money......
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by January 12, 2009 1:41 AM PST
I installed Windows 7 over the weekend. Installed 32-bit version on a Lenovo Thinkpad T61P. Took 23 minutes to install. Took 28 seconds to bootup, impressively shutted down in 20 seconds. Installed Office 2007 and Windows Live Essentials. Running for 3 days now on my work machine. Works well, works fast and runs my applications and even my 3G broadband modem. Updated Lenovo Drivers using Lenovo System Update, detected Vista instead of Windows 7, but all drivers works perfectly even the hardware vendor specific apps like hotkeys and function keys. The new taskbar takes some getting use to.

Overall, for a Beta product, this one seems pretty good. Looking forward to Beta 2 and RC version.
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