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October 1, 2008 12:01 AM PDT

Microsoft still paying people to search

by Ina Fried

Microsoft's latest effort to get people to use its search service is something called SearchPerks, which gives people points for using the search engine that can later be redeemed for prizes.

Users who agree to download a small program to track their usage get one "ticket" per day for every Live Search query, up to 25 per day. The program runs through April, at which point users can "cash in" the tickets that they get and trade them in for prizes or donate them to a charity.

It's the latest in a series of financial incentive-related projects from Redmond, joining such efforts as Live Search Club, Search and Give, and Live Search Cashback, a program Microsoft introduced in May.

The latest project doesn't just require one to use Microsoft's search engine, however. At least for now, it also requires Microsoft's browser (Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher) as well as a Windows PC. Microsoft said those latter restrictions are not necessarily permanent.

"At this time, SearchPerks is a limited promotion, though we remain open to expending availability of the promotion to different browsers and operating systems based on consumer interest," Microsoft said.

There's also the broader question of what it says about Live Search overall that Microsoft has to keep coming up with gimmicks to get people to try it. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has continued to struggle to make inroads on Google in overall share, promotions notwithstanding. According to figures recently released by ComScore, Google increased its share of the U.S. search market in August--it's at 63 percent--while Yahoo and Microsoft both slipped a bit, to 19.6 percent and 8.3 percent respectively.

In an interview, Live Search Senior Director Frederick Savoye said that the new business models, as Microsoft likes to refer to these programs, are just one part of a three-prong strategy that includes continued improvements in core search as well as in vertical search, or "simplifying key tasks" in Microsoft parlance.

Microsoft has seen mixed results with its incentive programs. Live Search Club, for example, gave Microsoft an initial boost, but its gains appear to be directly tied to its level of incentives. With Live Search Cashback, Microsoft said it has seen some advertisers boost their Live Search spend. eBay, in particular, is spending 50 percent more on Live Search thanks to Cashback, which Microsoft says offers significantly higher conversion rates than traditional search.

On the broader goal of boosting Microsoft's share of the commercial search business, Savoye said, Cashback has yet to make a meaningful shift in share. "We haven't seen it move significantly yet," Savoye said.

PR Director Whitney Burk said that programs such as SearchPerks are still needed to introduce people to Microsoft's search product.

"We know we have some challenges with the brand and perception," Burk said. "Simple awareness is still a challenge for us."

People can sign up for SearchPerks through the end of the year, or until Microsoft reaches its target of 250,000 participants. Rewards can be earned through April, though Microsoft may decide to extend or expand the program.

In pilot testing, Microsoft said it saw those in the program perform three times the number of searches they had been doing. Savoye noted that in the airline industry, for example, loyalty programs have become a standard part of doing business.

"Over the long-term these programs have changed people's behavior," he said.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by Imalittleteapot October 1, 2008 4:31 AM PDT
Really, Seriously? Because I have an iGoogle page. I don't use it very often, but regardless I have one. Anyway, I sign into iGoogle and then get a custom Google page. Which is actually a pretty sweet iGoogle page if I do say so myself. Wouldn't really explain why I don't use it much though would it?

Anyhoo, the point is Google just track me through iGoogle. If I was signed into Google and did a search they could just keep track of it right? Why doesn't Microsoft just do that with hotmail or something? Why all the hassle with downloading a program? Sounds like they're making this a bit more complicated then it needs to be. That's just my opinion though.
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by t26l October 1, 2008 4:54 AM PDT
Microsoft is trying to reward users for allowing access to their information. Google doesn't.
by Imalittleteapot October 1, 2008 5:41 AM PDT
That doesn't really answer my question though. Why not just have you log in and keep track of your junk that way? What's the deal with the spyware?
by Super2online October 1, 2008 4:31 AM PDT
It's funny that you would call an incentive a gimmick. The entire world is full of buisnesses that offer incentives for you tp purchase products, try services, explore new processes and procedures.I don't think a single person in this country can get from sun up to sun down without encounter 10 of them in a day.. Are they also gimmicks? My personal opinion is no.

Try to open yourself to a wider perspective on the usefulness of there offer and you will see that this is a win-win situation for everyone. Not just a gimmick.
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by TotallyMadeUpName October 1, 2008 7:24 AM PDT
"Try to open yourself to a wider perspective on the usefulness of there offer and you will see that this is a win-win situation for everyone. Not just a gimmick."

Yeah, that's what all the gimmick marketers say. Another writer mentioned the work "bribe". That seems a fair enough description. And I think that anytime the "incentive" is actually a bribe, then that's a gimmick.
by ghosford October 1, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
I think you're giving Microsoft too much credit by calling it a gimmick. American Heritage Dictionary says a gimmick is "1. An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project: an advertising gimmick." Now, granted, MS obviously believes it is an innovative scheme, because they keep expanding it. Or it could be AH Dictionary's second meaning: "2. A significant feature that is obscured, misrepresented, or not readily evident; a catch." Namely, the catch is that they will pay you to use their search engine (and browser and OS), but it may take you more time to find what you are looking for.

A third definition might be something like "a promotional item or service given away to encourage consumers to purchase (or use) a product or service that they would not normally purchase." I think the connotation for gimmick is based on the *degree* that the consumer would not normally purchase, i.e., an incentive will work to increase sales of a desirable product while a gimmick is needed to lure the consumer to buy something that he was not at all considering buying (or using), especially if the value or usefulness of the promotional item is small. In the object-oriented world, "gimmick" would be a sub-class of "incentive".

Using that definition, a "gimmick" can be an effective "incentive," even though the gimmick item is not useful, for example, McDonald's Happy Meal toys (Mom really wasn't thinking about McDonald's for supper until the kids started begging for Happy Meals because they wanted they toys). Arguably, the "incentive" given away by Microsoft is somewhat useful, but time will tell if it is effective.

Perhaps the classification of "gimmick" is being applied based on the fact that MS feels that giving away an "incentive" will be more effective in encouraging adoption of the product than improving the product itself. One could say "Google doesn't need any gimmicks to promote use of its product - it sells itself."
by Super2online October 1, 2008 12:57 PM PDT
ghosford ,

I enjoyed reading your post. It's a rare but pleasing experience on here to read comments from people who are interested in engaging the conversation without all the name calling and personal attacks while deliberately trying to demoralize others just because they disagree with ones viewpoint.
by ausernamenoonehaschosen October 1, 2008 4:45 AM PDT
Sounds more like a bribe, are they still that desperate? And wIth the usual Microsoft way they make it overly complicated (when will they learn to put more time into the planning phase, it seems no one in Redmond does that).
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by bsaitz October 1, 2008 7:07 AM PDT
isn't this the same as iwon.com, about 8 years later?
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by blsith October 1, 2008 8:04 AM PDT
I'd say yes - but how many people that you know actually have gotten items from iwon in the past 8 years? Because they are using lower-end prizes, more folks have earned things through it.

The IE only thing is a double-ploy for market share, though. Wonder how quickly this will be exploited.
by magicmaster October 1, 2008 7:21 AM PDT
If Microsoft seek to woo users to frequent Live Search, they must at least output more fruitful search results when people search information on MS websites. If google yields better results, why switch?
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by DrtyDogg October 3, 2008 8:06 PM PDT
Nail, meet the hammer! I actually like the layout of live, but the results aren't as valid.
by Kwasiowusu October 1, 2008 8:19 AM PDT
Note to Microsoft: Come up with better search results, and a better oragized layout of the search results like Google does, and you won't have to pay anyone to use your search.
Equally, no amount of money is gonna win you search market share, when Live search results continue to be so crappy, especially the "news" results from Live search.
The get paid to use "Live Search Club" has been around for over a year now, and Microsoft has still managed to lose market share big time in that year.
Why can't Microsoft group the "news" search results by similarity like Google does? And why does the "news" results keep coming up with news from like 5 years ago, when you are looking for news on a subject matter for today?
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by Vegaman_Dan October 1, 2008 9:35 AM PDT
This reminds me of those incentive plans elementary schools got involved with. Send kids out to try to sell stuff out of catalogs and if they sell enough, they get some prize from a list.

The prizes were never very good. I'm still waiting for my X-Ray glasses.
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by Dalkorian October 1, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
They can either improve the search site so that people will WANT to use it, or bribe people into using it. It's obvious the path they have chosen and not a surprise, considering who we're talking about here. I can hear their response now - "if the search site isn't working as expected, it's because our users are using it wrong. Stop searching for unsafe sites."

LOL!
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by hawkeyeaz1 October 1, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
Microsoft has a target of 250,000 participants? So Microsoft can't even bribe a measley 1/4 of a million people to use their search?

Yes, I would say Microsoft [Search] is in BAD shape. Likewise the MSN chat.

Ratehr than doing one or two things well *COUGH*, Microsoft chooses to do several things poorly/horribly.
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by t8 October 1, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
Microsoft isn't paying enough.
I will stick with Google and Chrome.
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by xxczxd October 1, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
This would be more effective in China.
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by hurleysurf101 October 1, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
It seems people see "Microsoft" and immediately feel the need to be hostile. I am in no way affiliated with Microsoft as a company, but I believe what's really going on is not a brilliant "gimmick" concocted by MSFT to try and pathetically drum up users with the expectation of ousting Google from the #1 spot in the U.S. online search market, but rather a less expensive way of doing some important field user testing and marketing which will (in MSFT's eyes) hopefully have bigger payouts later.

In other words: gotta give to get. When you're in the position of playing catch up, you can't meet market demand if you don't know how the market is currently using/reacting to your product. It is once they have these base data points (and they "need" a statistically significant amount of them, hence giving incentives to users to data mine their product interactions) that they can then ratchet up the R&D process that will inevitably launch the next iteration of MSN Live Search. Microsoft needs that at the very minimum to compete with the Google innovation machine which dominates the search market in the U.S.
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by hurleysurf101 October 1, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
Additionally: I just tried the Image Search in Live Search, and the results interface, layout, and features are far superior to those of Google, IMHO. The results may be a tad less relevant, but that is an area which has been noted historically and in other comments that needs some kinks worked out by the MSFT crew. Good ideas and good steps forward in the right direction. Be open-minded and give some new technology by an old pioneer a shot.
by JockRusky October 2, 2008 12:30 AM PDT
It reads to me like another desperate attempt to compete with Google and Yahoo. They will no doubt hit their target but it's a relatively small percentage when you consider the worldwide population and percentage that search the internet.

I use http://www.click4carbon.com when searching the internet. Profits generated from ALL advertising revenue is used to fund forestation projects worldwide. Have a look, give it a go - you have nothing to lose!

Personally I would rather give than take.
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by TV James October 2, 2008 8:29 AM PDT
@Super2online - No, it's a gimmick. And a bad one that that. Honestly, I don't know why they even bother. This is like trying to jumpstart the economy by mailing out $600 checks. Straight out gimmick. Gets some press, but in the end accomplishes nothing.

Microsoft's websites (and internet applications like Messenger and IE) are clunky, ugly and don't work well, don't take me where I want to go today, don't help me find what I'm looking for along the way.

Microsoft is like the General Motors of the internet... doing too many things poorly, mandating from the top down "This is good enough for you, puny human. Do not look at Toyota." (Or in this case, Google, Apple.)

Instead of throwing good money after bad, they need to take a hard look at where they have a shot at succeeding, retrenching and going for it. Not to mention increasing R&D and dropping all vain demands that their researchers develop on IE first. If Google is the bazaar and Apple is the Cathedral, Microsoft begins to feel more and more like the bus station. Not sure where that leaves Yahoo. Perhaps the guy on the corner shouting "The End is Near!"
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by foofdawg October 3, 2008 7:29 AM PDT
Here's a case in point: I don't even know what the Microsoft Live Search website is......

It's also not listed anywhere in this article directly. Could be part of the problem. I have heard of "Windows Live", but never bothered to look into it.

The funniest part of this? I opened up a new tab, which defaults to google, and searched for "microsoft live search" just to FIND their search engine.

How's that for market share?
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by ifiredmyboss.com November 10, 2008 2:52 PM PST
I found it interesting that Savoye used the airling rewards program at a time when they are getting harder to use and their perceived value is dropping.
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