May 12, 2009 5:27 PM PDT

Report: Microsoft taking on Wii with motion-sensing camera

by Daniel Terdiman
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This camera, from Israeli startup 3DV Systems--which has reportedly been acquired by Microsoft--could form the basis of a new motion-sensitive controller that Microsoft is reportedly working on.

(Credit: Jared Kohler/CNET)

Nintendo won't be the only video game console maker with a sophisticated motion-sensitive controller if a report out Tuesday from The Wall Street Journal is accurate.

The report said Microsoft plans to unveil a new video camera that would allow players of its Xbox 360 console to control games by moving their bodies. And if true, it's a clear shot across the bow of Nintendo and its innovative Wii console, which shocked the video game world when it was released in late 2006 with its own motion-sensitive controller.

The camera may well be the product of Microsoft's reported acquisition of Israeli start-up, 3DV, which had developed a motion-sensitive camera.

For months, there had been speculation that Microsoft's interest in 3DV was about taking on Nintendo and the Wii. But neither company would confirm such speculation. On Tuesday, Microsoft declined to comment on the Journal story.

The Journal said, "the camera is based on technology that Microsoft developed inside its sprawling research arm," though it added that, "Microsoft also recently acquired...3DV...which has developed a 3D camera and holds related patents."

For Microsoft, coming up with a controller that could be appealing to a more casual gaming audience is key to carving away at Nintendo's giant lead in the so-called "next-generation" video game console wars. Though both Microsoft and Sony--which makes the much-maligned PlayStation 3--contend that the Wii is not really a competitor, the two companies originally lumped all three consoles together before the generation began in 2005 with the Xbox launch, and continued a year later with the Wii and PS3 launches.

The Journal reported that the new camera could be shown at next month's E3 show in Los Angeles, though it might not come out until later in the year, and that Microsoft is expected to first sell the camera as an accessory rather than bundling it with the Xbox.

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by Outside_Looking_In May 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
What d'ya know... Microsoft again playing catch-up. Are they ever innovating anything on their own? Is it just me or are they always trying to keep up with everyone else?
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by lennie22 May 12, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
sigh, stop your retardedness here right this instant. almost every product out today are playing catchup to a product before it, so quit your stupidness. how about Microsoft Surface? isn't that an innovation that no one had before? what about microsoft sync?....windows CE was an is innovation in it's self, you can find it in all industries, I bet your local shopping store runs windows CE. if I remember correctly the way how the windows OS is distributed was created by micrsoft and this proved to be very successful, it placed them on billions of computers worldwide. xbox live is innovation (they didn't come up with the idea, but they really expanded it in many ways). do you want me to go on? I think I'll stop there.
next time when you're going to write something, please make it at least sound intelligent.
by MaLvaDo39 May 12, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
Microsoft Surface???? Yeah, let's take small portable touch and put it into a big @ss table from the early 80s arcade.
by _Me__ May 12, 2009 8:54 PM PDT
@ malvado39 - If that's what you think about MS surface, then u're one of those old folks who better live with their memories of 80's. Do your research before you open your mouth next time... retard!!!
by Kwasiowusu May 13, 2009 3:57 AM PDT
@ Outside_Looking_In: "What d'ya know... Microsoft again playing catch-up"

Whatd'ya know, the mindles, brian dead Nintendo zombie idiots trike again!
Hey loser, Nintendo DIDN'T invent motion control. Motion control was invented by other companies long before Nintendo even knew such a technology existed.
Furthermore, Nintendo themselves LICENSED the motion control technology from a US company called Gyration Inc. Ninendo don't even own the patents to that technology.
Now why don't you get a life for a change eh?
by Gambit642 May 13, 2009 6:05 AM PDT
Lol. Why is everyone threatend when Microsoft wants a piece? Its a called a free-market.
MS isn't the @ss-hole here, Nintendo is hiding behind like a hundred or so patents trying to corner the sensor remote market. Suing everyone that tries to compete with patent violations. They should spend a little less of that time and money in litigation and allocate it to making some decent games.
by ExWinUser May 13, 2009 7:50 AM PDT
I agree with you Outside_Looking_In. Microsoft is the King of copying. Must be nice working for MS, all a programmer from MS has to do is essentially copy the layout and work flow of another competitors application. But MS is able to instill in their employees that copying other competitors products is a good thing. Lets face it, non windows users can run circles around any ms fan boy anytime.
by Vegaman_Dan May 13, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
@MaLvaDo39

Microsoft Surface predates Apple's Touch and iPhone by several years. Also, comparing a large table sized information device with a phone/PDA is just plain silly. :)

@Monkeyfun16:

I do believe there is story over on slashdot or Appleinsider that mentions the name "Microsoft" in it. Why don't you go over there and troll instead of mocking people here? Your presence is not welcome with your rather poor impersonation attempts.

@ExWinUser:

You're right- non-MS fanboys are excellent at running around MS fanboys at spreading FUD, discontent, and just making obnoxious embarassing trolls of themselves, which does little to make people want to choose their particular OS they promote. Do you really look at a brain dead idiot with no will power drooling over their keyboards as they pound away their vitriole and hatred for all things Microsoft and think, "Yeah, I want to be just like them. I'm going to buy an Apple Macintosh today and join the crowd."

People like this do far more harm to their cause than help it. :/
by Kwasiowusu May 13, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
@ by ExWinUser :"I agree with you Outside_Looking_In"

You would. You sound every bit as brian dead as he is.

@ by ExWinUser :"Microsoft is the King of copying"

So is Nintendo, and so is Apple.
Nintendo did NOT invent video games. They used to be a playing cards company. Nintendo came and stole the intellectual properties of the US firms that actually invented video games, and Nintendo was sued on court and actually LOST.

@ by ExWinUser :"Lets face it, non windows users can run circles around any ms fan boy anytime"

You couldn't run circles around a toilet cleaner if you tried, boy. Apple/Nintendo faboys are universally acknowledged as the most stupid, idiotoc, clueless morons on the internet.
by PacGamer May 12, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
So...it's a camera that lets you use your body to control games? Didn't Sony release the same exact thing (the EyeToy) back when the PS2 was around? Why is this news?
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by monkeyfun14 May 12, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
It was very limited
by N8M May 12, 2009 8:59 PM PDT
Sony's Ps2/ps3 camera wasn't and isn't limited. Eyetoy was rereleased for PS3 as the Eye. Quite sophisticated actually. Microsoft has also developed a very sophisticated camera unit for use in virtual meetings that has multiple cameras and sits on the conference table for use in their future office live suite.
by aMUSICsite May 13, 2009 3:39 AM PDT
It was limited in it's appeal. Not saying it was a failure. But I can't see this being the principle controler for all games like the Wii-mote. Does sond more like a EyeToy add-on, which is nice but not "clear shot across the bow of Nintendo".

CNET needs to do much more thinking before posting, it's stupid comments in the articles that is attracting the fan-boys/girls.
by Kwasiowusu May 13, 2009 4:00 AM PDT
@ by PacGamer:"..it's a camera that lets you use your body to control games? Didn't Sony release the same exact thing (the EyeToy) back when the PS2 was around? Why is this news?"

Comparing this super advanced 3D motion control camera to Sony's Eye Toys is like comparing the Space Shuttle to a commercial jetliner. They are not even on the same planet.
by Kwasiowusu May 13, 2009 4:19 AM PDT
@ aMUSICsite :" But I can't see this being the principle controler for all games like the Wii-mote"

The Wiimote is NOT the principle controller for all Wii games. At least do your research before you open your mouth.
Plus it doesn't have to be a controler for all 360 games. it merely has to be the controler for the casual 360 games that benefit from motion controls and appeal to the soccer mom/kiddie crowd

@aMUSICsite : "Does sond more like a EyeToy add-on, which is nice but not "clear shot across the bow of Nintendo"

# 1. It's far more advanced than Eye Toy, and outguns the Wii in it's motion control technology.
# 2. It IS a shot across the bow of Nintendo. It goes after the same csaul game crowd Nintendo has been milking with their overpriced, underpowered Wii.
by aMUSICsite May 13, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
"The Wiimote is NOT the principle controller for all Wii games. At least do your research before you open your mouth."

I meant the Wii remote, i.e. the one that ships with the console. After doing a bit of research I found Wiki says...

[The Wii Remote, sometimes unofficially nicknamed "Wiimote"] And I have always referred to it as the Wii-mote sorry for not being correct.
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# 1. It's far more advanced than Eye Toy, and outguns the Wii in it's motion control technology.

I should hope it's better than the EyeToy (to correct you it's one word not two ;) as the EyeToy came out in 2002 and camera technology and the power of the consoles have come a long way in the last 7 years.

# 2. It IS a shot across the bow of Nintendo. It goes after the same csaul game crowd Nintendo has been milking with their overpriced, underpowered Wii.

I'm not so sure that it's just the interactive remote that has sold the Wii.
by Vegaman_Dan May 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
@Monkeyfun16:

" Cheap is key. Dirt cheap and sold in huge volume to the masses."

Well, let's take a closer look at that statement, AppleRocks1963. I happen to have a MacBookPro 15" with a broken LCD. When pricing LCD's (and I do this for a living), the price for an LCD for Toshiba products is typically $300-600. Dell run s $400-800. HP is in the $500-1000 range. Lenovo- well, they sell their laptops for less than the replacement screen itself costs at $1200-2500.

Based on that, and that all those machines cost far less than my MacBookPro, that should mean that the LCD for the MBP should be very very expensive, right? High quality, expensive materials, etc.

$150.

That's right, $150 for a replacement screen. Apple was using the cheapest and most abundant screen available for the unit. Now for me, that's great because I can afford to replace it, but what does it say about Apple when they are using parts that are *cheaper* than all the other OEM's? Where does your faith lay in such a case, AppleRocks1963?

Your response would be interesting to read from whichever account you want to use to post with.
by CJS11 May 12, 2009 5:56 PM PDT
If you want a good idea of what they most likely plan on implementing with this camera, check out one of their researcher's websites: http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/ . More specifically, watch the 3rd youtube video on head tracking - around half way through is where it gets crazy lol.
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by lennie22 May 12, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
um....even your link says "wii" in it...so what're you talking about. since when did lee became a microsoft researcher?
by CJS11 May 12, 2009 6:07 PM PDT
Go to the site, then top left click on his name ...... He was doing research using the wii remote infrared light which they could implement in their own cameras
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by lennie22 May 12, 2009 6:11 PM PDT
well i'll be, you are right.
by lennie22 May 12, 2009 6:19 PM PDT
it seems they have came up with a way to track more than one person at a time, this would be really nice in fight night
by SteveMcQwark May 12, 2009 7:38 PM PDT
Have a little taste and professionalism. You don't need to weasel in a slight at the PS3 in every games related article. Most of the negative image of the PS3 has died out by now, and it can only be considered "much-maligned" because third rate journalists still like to throw in undeserved and unjustified negative sentiment whenever they have the chance. It was out of place and unnecessary to your story.
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by NickH May 13, 2009 1:25 AM PDT
Agreed. I read that "much-maligned" comment and thought the reality is that many people think PS3 is a good bit of kit, somewhat over-priced for its purpose. People who actually have them (not me) seem to like them a lot.
by technologyRules May 13, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
I agree, the PS3 comment was inappropriate.
by NervClaX May 13, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
Agreed. Sony's "crime" was overdelivering if anything. When first introduced, the PS3 was $500-$600 and they were STILL losing money on every unit sold. People cried it was too expensive, but they didn't want any less of a machine. Sony doesn't have the godlike money of Microsoft and they can't afford the war of attrition that Microsoft is so obviously fighting. Spend money until your competitors drop out of the race, then scoop up the spoils of war. I don't think I would like the gaming landscape if it were just Nintendo vs. Microsoft.
by dudesmiles May 12, 2009 9:50 PM PDT
yes yes yes!
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by bobmarleypeople May 12, 2009 11:52 PM PDT
Anyone else noticed that the camera already has the red ring of death?
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by Kwasiowusu May 13, 2009 4:02 AM PDT
@ by bobmarleypeopl :"Anyone else noticed that the camera already has the red ring of death?"

Naaaaah
But I noticed the knee-jerk crazy, wild eyed rantings of a Sony fanboy fanatic.
by Gambit642 May 13, 2009 6:09 AM PDT
This is Microsoft's new way of spying on you. I think they are taking demographics of how often the average gamer m@sterb@its. I am planning to hold the eastern regional record...I have been practicing for this my whole life. I hope the MS server farms have the storage capacity.
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by monkeyfun14 May 13, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
Go back under the bridge troll!
by Gambit642 May 13, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
Relax, I was being funny. Check my reply to the initial post from Outside_Looking_In.
by Seaspray0 May 13, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
Good luck, gambit, because you'll be competing against Herb Zipper (google the name).
by NervClaX May 13, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
I've always wanted to control XBox Live Arcade games with my junk. Think of the possibilities...

Seriously, the technology sounds as cool as can be but I'm sure its application will be way dorkier than intended. And doesn't this new camera hose all those people who ALREADY have one?
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by Heebee Jeebies May 13, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
No Microsoft was smart making sure that the motion sensing wasn't a joke or a fad before they invested in it. After all the WII is a wii bit of a joke itself. It is just a reboxed game cube with interesting controllers. The suckers that bought it got the shaft. After all there is no reason at all why they couldn't have put out an upgrade to the game cube that added the same features. But, instead they decided not to market the game cube in the USA worth a sh.. and then turn around rerelease it with new controllers and get all the suckers to flock to it. People think Microsoft is evil.

Robert
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by clsmithj May 13, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
DSi has a motion-sensing camera
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by missionmom1 May 15, 2009 5:06 AM PDT
PacGamer....why do you call someone a retard because you have a different opinion. That is so sophmoric and very wrong.
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by aaronlancet May 27, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
Why not just take -all- the fanboyism out of the argument right now. It doesn't do anyone any good. The PS3 is worldwide only 5million units off of the Xbox 360 (22.x mil to 27.x mil) but both combined can't catch up to the Wii (50~mil units). This 'innovation' is clearly targetted at the Wii marketshare, there's no doubt about it. Whether it is good or not is nothing we can ascertain yet, since we have yet to see any functional demonstration of its use with modern games.

Now I'm sure you'll just ignore me anyway and go back to bickering, so have fun but remember, you're not doing yourself, your favored console (or company), or the world any good by it. You're just stroking your own egos.
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