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July 16, 2008 5:22 PM PDT

Curtains for desktops? If not now, when?

by Charles Cooper

It's hard to remember the last time I bought a desktop computer. Sometime back in the stone age, I suppose, when vendors still bundled the machines with CRT screens.

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My back-of-the-envelope tally of friends and colleagues turns up the same taste trend. Few say they plan to spend money on desktops any more. Those who do say it's because they need the bigger computer for serious gaming applications. I hang with a crowd of early adaptors, but it's not just the predilections of the double soy nonfat latte crowd. Now the statistics are starting to bear out the anecdotal evidence.

One of the big surprises out of Intel's second quarter numbers is that for the first time, demand for notebook processors outstripped the company's product sales for desktop machines. Everyone expected this would happen one day, but the future just got here a lot faster than most folks--including Intel--ever assumed.

And that occurred even without big sales of Atom processors, which Intel debuted in the second quarter. These chips are geared for what Intel describes as Internet-centric "netbook" and "nettop" alternatives to current notebooks and desktops. Truth be told, though, it's still not clear how much impact Atom will have. Witness CEO Paul Otellini's seeming putdown of his own product: "(Atom) is less than a third the performance of our Centrino (processor). You're dealing with something that most of us wouldn't use," he said.

But enough computer shoppers, here and abroad, will be buying increasing numbers of these and other notebook computers. The second-quarter news Intel reported about notebook sales was not an anomaly. The trend will continue until the popularity of notebooks get eclipsed by even smaller devices. None of this suggests that the curtain is about to close on the era of big desktop PCs imminently. But "Let's get small" has become more than just a mantra for the future. It's now the present.

Charles Cooper has covered technology and business for more than 25 years. Before joining CNET News, he worked at the Associated Press, Computer & Software News, Computer Shopper, PC Week, and ZDNet. E-mail Charlie.
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by gerrrg July 16, 2008 6:05 PM PDT
That may be true, but the problem is, desktops still vastly outperform laptops, bar none, end of discussion.

If you want to see those beautiful flash animations, 3D visualizations and slick movies put together with sophisticated software, the laptop just doesn't cut it. Even when they improve head over heels over the last generation of chips, the next generation of desktop CPUs are still far better in measure of speed.
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by CmdrRickHunter July 16, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
@gerrrg: agreed 100%. By definition, a laptop with its added constraints on power and size must be inferior to a desktop with those constraints removed. The only way out of the loop is if people decide that they actually have enoguh power, and more is wasted.

That is actually happening with the "masses." people are finally realizing that they don't need bleeding edge speed to brows the web and open word. I think thats where the changes in shipment volumes are noticable.

It reminds me of when people told me "Wireless is going to make Wired obselete. In just a few years, it'll be just as fast." Oh I laugh at people now, with their WiFi, limited to just a few rooms because of singal quality. Meanwhile, I'm limited to Wired with just a few rooms because of cabling, but gee mine is a ton faster. I love copying files infront of Wifi users =p

The funadmental limit is going to be when computers can simply output more than our senses can take advantage of. When that happens, the only use for the extra power is going to be orginization of data, which is rapidly being deligated to servers. The notebook will have its day.

meanwhile, anyone know of a notebook which supports twin 21" LCD monitors? Thought not. **goes back to his dual screen setup**
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by The_Decider July 16, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
People actually thought that wireless would someday not be dependent on wire aka Ethernet?

Amazing
by john55440 July 16, 2008 6:25 PM PDT
My next computer is going to be another desktop. They are more cost effective, more powerful, more expandable, easier and cheaper to repair, have bigger keyboards, and have bigger monitors than laptops. The upside of not being portable is that desktop computers are harder to steal. (grin)
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by shai-tan July 16, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
So basically you take a statistic about parity in sales and produce an article extending a trend infinitely into the future. Pretty useless article.
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by cuwickliffe July 16, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
I'm actually considering a desktop, just not a PC desktop. I'm on my second Dell laptop now (my last one has gone for 5 years now. must. keep. praying) and while I love being able to tote it around everywhere, one interesting consideration for a lot of us is that we ALSO have work laptops. Mine looks a lot like my personal one, is just as slow, but gets it done. This kinda frees me up at home to get something awesome, but still have a laptop when I need it. Needless to say the only desktop I'm looking at is the 24-inch iMac and while a 24-inch screen on a laptop would be cool, it would be crazy--which is still a cool thing to be crazy people. So now with work taking care of my mobile needs, I can push for something great at home that I don't necessarily need to lug around. I mean hey, on Star Trek they had palmtops and desktops--even in the 24th century. :)
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by ememqut July 17, 2008 7:07 AM PDT
i think notebooks are on the way out. Who wants to lug around 5-7 lbs. of computer? The trend is clearly to bigger and biggest screens in a non-portable (call it a desktop) computer and palm-tops, whether they are PDAs, smart phones, or implants.
by nettechguy July 16, 2008 6:42 PM PDT
The desktop isn't going anywhere. Theres too many businesses that would rather buy a desktop for general office workers rather then spend money on a laptop that can be broken more easily then a desktop. Plus if an employee doesn't have to travel or work from home then theres no need for a laptop. Home users may buy less desktops but businesses will always have a need for desktop computers. Why get a laptop for a receptionist? That persons never going to need to bring their computer home or travel with it. The technology may advance enough with laptops to be as powerful as any other desktop but when you consider the business side of things it just doesn't make sense to move away from desktops.
I personally use both at home and at work. I would never give up my desktop, it makes a great media center pc for my lcd tv!
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by nate.reeves July 16, 2008 6:43 PM PDT
...when my OS can offload all my tasks over fibre-speed wireless to some cluster in Bangladesh. Until then, I'm using a desktop.
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by Pard68 July 16, 2008 6:44 PM PDT
I do not see how you can compare the two. A laptop is a computer used for the general consumer audience, sure. It can do it all, it is a jack of all trades, but it is not very strong in any one category. Now a desktop, it can do it all, but with a desktop you can shell out some extra cash -and in retrospect that extra cash equals the amount of a jack of trades laptop's, so they are virtually the same- and you have a machine that is very focused in one area of what you are doing. Graphic design. Gaming. Multimedia. Sound. Video. Networking. A desktop is a different machine than a laptop, those who use desktops have a greater need for something than those who use a laptop. They do not compare, it is like the other thing consumer electronic critics like to compare, a first generation Zune and a fourth generation iPod, well to be up to date it is a second gen. Zune and a fifth gen. iPod.
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by JuggerNaut July 16, 2008 7:08 PM PDT
I'll never choose a laptop over a desktop. Though a laptop is great for on-the-go, but it's terrible for those long hours spent on a computer at the desk and lacks the great form/function of a true desktop computer IMHO!
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by fuzzyBSc July 16, 2008 7:31 PM PDT
The push for a smaller and more portable device that does everything you need it to do is coming from laptops and smaller devices such as netbooks and phones. Pressure on desktops for its other core competencies are coming from other devices. PVRs and media centres will come to take the media role away from the generic desktop. Console games cover an ever widening niche of dedicated input devices that PCs have difficulty matching. Even as a server the desktop is under pressure from the cloud.

We could well be heading to a world where "computer" is a term we don't use that often. We'll refer to what each device does so, and the fact that they each have similar chips inside will be of little consequence.
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by krunchnik July 16, 2008 7:33 PM PDT
I use both a laptop and a desktop PC for different tasks,Laptop goes when we travel and still have to pay bills and what not,but,I would never give up my desktop because its a lot easier to use for older non typing fingers and aged eyes that appreciate a full screen without giving headaches,I as an aging 50 year old I have a hard time using all this downsize techy toys,what I am wondering is when they will start making electronics to fit the ever aging population,not cell phones to watch movies on,or fingers that cant find the keys because the numbers are too small to see without a pair of bifocals on.Well just my opinion.
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by gmac1000 July 16, 2008 7:46 PM PDT
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by gmac1000 July 16, 2008 7:50 PM PDT
I'm looking at my Apple Cinema display while over to the left is my 15" laptop screen. Not quite two 21" LCDs, but close enough. I'm able to do extensive digital audio recording and editing using the MacBook Pro and when I'm done here, I disconnect a few cables and take it home or on the road. I have desktops available to me in the studio, but the times I really need to use them are becoming more and more rare.
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by coffeepro July 16, 2008 8:14 PM PDT
I use my desktop 10 X more than my laptop and seriously doubt we will see the demise of desktops in the workplace (or in homes) anytime soon.
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by davidosocal July 16, 2008 8:23 PM PDT
I love all these comments that state "Desktops will always be around..." or "Laptops will never supplant desktops..."

Always and never are absolutes. Can anyone be absolutely sure that desktops will always be around? History tells us two things: First, change is absolutely assured. Second, technology which is relevant today may be rendered irrelevant and obsolete in the future as we undergo change.

One cannot even go so far as to assert that a universally useful invention such as the wheel will always be around. However, one could accurately make such an assertion if he qualifies it by saying, "...as long as humans exist and their intellectual capacity remains high enough to understand wheels."

Back to desktops: as long as computing exists, there will probably always be a more portable array of tools, and a less portable array of more computationally powerful tools. What form they take on in the longrun is impossible to say though. I'm sure we have not fully considered the possibilities. In 1968 when the HAL2000 was conceived, with an estimated delivery date of the year 2000, it bore little resemblance and even less relevance to what was going on in computing by the time 2000 actually rolled around. And many technologies have been invented, and even retired in the 32 years between the conception of HAL, and the passing of its conceptualized service date.

Someday desktops certainly won't be around. But it is unlikely that when that day comes, laptops will be their most direct replacement.

Back to the original article: In the here and now of market trends, it's not surprising that laptops have become so popular, and have eroded market share from desktops. In my home, I personally prefer having a laptop, a network, and a network attached storage device. The laptop gives me portability, and the NAS gives me one of the primary thing that portability robs me of: limitless storage capacity. The other thing that portability takes from me is computational performance (aka, speed). Here is where a lot of people are finding that the technological state of the art for hardware has outpaced the needs of most software applications. There are niches where more powerful hardware is required by individuals; games is probably the most relevant to the home market, but there are other computational intensive tasks too. Photo editing is still more pleasurable on a faster machine, as is video editing. But notebooks are at least usable in this regard, and at most more than adequate. Consumers are learning that unless they have a niche need, they don't mind the tradeoffs that notebooks bring. Thus, trends are shifting in that direction for now.
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by tim_at_venturality July 16, 2008 8:32 PM PDT
Do the desktop-die-hards here just fear change? Is it a lack of knowledge of the platforms?

I have a dual core 17" Dell laptop with an NVidia GPU, 2GB RAM and 7200RPM drive. Its faster than most desktops - given I paid a little extra for faster components but not much... The Laptop to desktop price delta has shrank quickly over the last 2 years and will continue to do so.

I will never own a desktop for personal use again. Reasons:
- Portability (I dont have to copy files back and forth between multiple locations)
- Performance (stated above - my laptop rocks)
- Freedom (I can sit on my deck and do almost anything - or sit at the lake with my Sprint data card)
- Space (why do I need something the size of a mini-fridge taking up space - ok, exaggeration)

I see most PC/Laptop tech as disposable moving forward. I haven't upgraded PC components forever i.e. graphics cards, sound cards, etc - when I can buy a new rockin' laptop for under $1500 - why should I waste my time???
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by Imalittleteapot July 17, 2008 12:01 AM PDT
Even though I would never do this because I'm not super into gaming, put about 4 SLI cards in it and then over clock your CPU and maybe even liquid cool it. Then get back to me on there being no need for desktops, or at least write an instruction manual for the rest of us. Anyway, my desktop had slightly better specs than your laptop before I upgraded it. I paid about $900 less for it. Now, instead of upgrading it, I could have used the extra money to buy a budget laptop. Game at home and use the laptop when I'm out. I bought a laptop anyway, but if I buy a good desktop and a normal laptop I can get close to two times more processing power than you considering I have two machines running. I can also still get the portability, and at the end of the day I have two computers to show for it instead of just one. Possibly for even $100 to $200 less than what you paid. The laptop itself won't be as powerful, but it'll be good enough. Total computing power across the two devices though wins the argument. However, strangely enough I don't disagree with you. I think the day your argument makes sense for everyone is coming. It's just not today.
by tjl2008 July 16, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
As an aging baby boomer now in grad school, I have a door stop that is my old desktop. It is so much easier to carry my laptop back and forth than to sync files between a laptop and a desktop. My one concession is a full size mouse so my hand doesn't hurt. In time, I may go back to the desktop with a flat screen but not for a few years.

Having spent many years in the business world interfacing with IT people, I would NEVER buy laptops for a regular business environment. A desktop stays put while a laptop does not.
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by protagonistic July 16, 2008 8:48 PM PDT
You must run with a different crowd than I do. The only way i will buy a laptop is if I buy both.
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by MadLyb July 16, 2008 9:22 PM PDT
@tjl2008.
I guess interfacing with IT makes you an expert. While I agree some environments lend themselves to laptops, many more do not. Call centers, manufacturing, shared systems, etc. call for inexpensive, utilitarian desktops. Also, the ergonomics are much better for desktops.

As to the actual debate, for the average user, either will suffice, but you will usually pay a premium for the mobility in reduced performance and/or increased cost.

One of the core problems with laptops, are when you *want* to use them at a desk with an external monitor and the lack of true digital outs on today's laptops (DVI-D, DisplayPort) ties your hands. HDMI is a poor substitute.
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by gnagata July 16, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
In reply to many comments that strongly push the desktop for business environments, I'd like to point out that more companies are shifting from desktop to laptop, to save the fixed cost of people sitting at their desks in the fixed offices.

With the development of wireless connectivity, SSL/VPN connection, messaging and collaboration tools, many companies do not need their employees to come to work. Rather, they can have the employees work from their homes, hotels or their nearest starbucks. Gone are the days where the companies need to pay for one cubicle per employee, and the area of office space per employee is shrinking very quickly.

The one-time cost advantage of buying a desktop over laptop is a few hundred dollars. Imagine the monthly cost advantage of cutting down office cubicles by 50%. If you're a CEO/CFO/COO, which would you rather choose?

I've personally shifted from desktop/laptop combination to laptop/laptop combination in the past four years. That said, as long as there are special video/gaming/audio/DTP etc. needs that need to be fulfilled, I still don't think there'll be a curtain call for the desktop, at least not in the next few years.

-george from Japan
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