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October 5, 2008 7:39 AM PDT

Apple cures the common cold and other stuff

by Charles Cooper
Seth Weintraub of 9to5Mac, a blogger with good sources within the Macintosh community, is reporting that Apple has invented a new manufacturing process for MacBooks.

"It is totally revolutionary, a game changer. One of the biggest Apple innovations in a decade. The MacBook manufacturing process up to this point has been outsourced to Chinese or Taiwanese manufacturers like Foxconn. Now Apple is in charge. The company has spent the last few years building an entirely new manufacturing process that uses lasers and jets of water to carve the MacBooks out of a brick of aluminum. (Yes, this sounded a bit crazy to us as well. But our source is adamant so bear with us. He says Apple has built a manufacturing process that would make Henry Ford proud.)"

Henry Ford? Yowza.

At the same time, Mike Schramm from TUAW.com writes that Nvidia is offering sneak peeks of the product to employees. He speculates that the units may include "some extra Nvidia power," presumably to turn the MacBook into a more serious game machine.

Something up his sleeve?

(Credit: CNET News)

Of course, some or all--or none--of the above may be accurate. The hype cycle always works the Mac faithful into a lather, and this time the meter is simply off the charts. The "brick," as it's being referred to, may shape up to be quite the story. (And Apple definitely could use a different narrative after a steady stock decline topped off by a phony Steve Jobs rumor.) But if the breakthrough isn't as revolutionary as the early leaks suggest, will we be talking about the brick the way we now recall the Segway? Just wondering.

Charles Cooper has covered technology and business for more than 25 years. Before joining CNET News, he worked at the Associated Press, Computer & Software News, Computer Shopper, PC Week, and ZDNet. E-mail Charlie.
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by wynand32 October 5, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
Making metal things using jets of water is entirely feasible. However, it's not terribly innovative--people have been using water to carve things out of hunks of metal for years. I think perhaps this person got wind of a valid manufacturing process (new or not) and jumped to his own conclusions about how special it is.

"Extra Nvidia power" might refer to the Macbook using the same sort of dual-GPU setup as some newer PC notebooks, namely the ability to boot with either integrated graphics for power savings or discrete graphics for performance. There--some additional speculation!
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by M C October 6, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
Do go on. Who's using that manufacturing process now? Pics?
by dredgerie October 5, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
Its realistic enough. Manufacturers use jet sprays to carve metal for automotive and motorcycle needs all the time. It's incredibly efficient, and can be totally automated. All you have to do is design the initial layout using a CAD program, and the machines take over; making almost anything you want out of the metal. Even 3D stuff and custom engraving while the "brick" is being cut to shape is entirely possible. If they did it in the states, it could lower the overall production costs since they would no longer have to ship across the ocean.
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by iertry October 5, 2008 8:27 AM PDT
I hate macbook rumors. I just bought my first my mac in april (£799 macbook) and as I'm a student I'm still paying it off on a finance option. If they bring out a new one I'll be still paying good money for an older model. :( ah well.

Anyway if this is true it could be really cool but does it not mean that macbooks would be extremely difficult to open up? And this may sound silly but if it is created out of a solid block of aluminum will they not need to slick it open and carve the inside to put the parts in? I know there must be ways around these problems I just can;t think of them. Any ideas?
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by edfaulkner October 5, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
Since you're a student, I'm assuming you're young. And therefore you will have LOTS of opportunities in your lifetime to be paying off something that becomes obsolete. Cars, houses, Macs. So enjoy what you have, and double up on payments when you can!! :-)
by hardmanb October 5, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
There have been rumors before that Apple was using some of its cache of cash to create a "secret factory" in the US. Also rumors of the new massive investment in a new product. Also, a new product the competition can't match.

Although there seems to be no concrete verification, we all know that Apple is about competitive difference and total control over its product line. Such a revolutionary manufacturing process, in the US, would increase Apple's control and allow quicker product change. It could be more of forward-looking "think different" from Steve.
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by rapier1 October 5, 2008 8:52 AM PDT
How the heck is this revolutionary? Automated metal stamping, punching, and cutting using presses, lasers, and water knives is standard manufacturing practice.
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by cognitdiss October 5, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
Water and laserjets don't carve, they cut- and they are very mundane manufacturing processes these days. With those processes nothing is carved from a solid brick of anything- that is the realm of EDM,

Syllogism as follows:

A- Article stipulates revolutionary new process carves w/ laser and water.

B- Laser and water are not revolutionary, and do nat carve, they cut, and havebeen used by Apple and it's vendors for decades, if for nothing else cutting circuit boards.

Therefore

C- The author had nothing to write about today, and concocted some bull3|nit.
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by myles taylor October 8, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
Just curious...what is carving? Isn't it cutting a material away?
by cyberDJ-2038765336053745013836 October 5, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
Using high-pressure water jets with an abrasive additive was talked about in PopSci back in the 80's.
No game-changer there.

Apple needs to do something, however.
Too much of the tech we take for granted comes from overseas.
Apple needs to start making its own stuff.

America needs to sever the import umbilical.
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by ev61 October 5, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
If it costs $20 an hour here to pay someone to assemble a computer, it takes $.50 an hour overseas. So cyberDJ, are you willing to pay $500 more for a U.S. made laptop, which has the same build quality and same perfomance as a foreign made laptop? I can guarantee you would not.

Simple folks want U.S. made and cheap. That is not possible.

Foreign is not a dirty word.
by DrtyDogg October 5, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
"are you willing to pay $500 more " Apple has made a fortune on the answer to that question.
by Michichael October 6, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
lol DrtyDogg.. Good observation. *highfive*
by gary85739 October 5, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
Machining is just plain old fashioned SLOW!

New electronics will be made of carbon fibre, stronger than steel,lighter than aluminum and manufactured at lightspeeds faster than any known machining process now or within a 100yrs!
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by peramica October 5, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
While carbon fiber and other composites are indeed strong and light, they are not very durable. Such composites have been used in high performance applications for years, such as aircraft and racing shells, where weight and stiffness is a premium. However, in a laptop, the weight savings is not enough to make up for the increased brittleness, and while aluminum may not be as strong, it tends to flex rather than break
by Spanwite October 5, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
Why should be this process cheaper as Plastic? Plastic is formed in a few second, Water/Laser jet still takes longer.
And Aluminum is bridle, Plastic is more forgiving and lighter too.

More practical would be, if every town would upgrade the traffic light "Computer" Network. To get a green wave light. If you know what that is. It would save this country a lot of gal gasoline= $
But, the traffic light "network" is mostly still from the 60.

Not this above nonsense, useless.
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by ev61 October 5, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
Aluminum is bridle? Look that one up...

Plastic would not save this country gasoline, it takes oil to make plastic.

FAIL.
by READY FLOW October 7, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
I will make a comment regarding Plastics.With the costs of plastic going up daily and the future of the oil that our plastics are made from uncertain their is a reason to find new and less costly processes to get away from the plastics that just a few years ago was the savior for the manufacturing problems we had because all of our metals and alloys of that time were being used up by the wars the U.S was going through at the time.Now we have a multitude of alloys that can be used to fill in for the higher costs of plastics.Also with the competition of the same petroleum resources that make pesticides and even more fertilizers.It is looking more and more likely that we can use other resources and technologies to bring the costs down
by WilliamHarper October 5, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
Judging from the price, they carve these things from stacks of $100 bills.
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by solitare_pax October 5, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
No, no, That would be the approximate volume of an iPhone (and possibly accurate - I have a Virgin Mobile thank you and wouldn't know)
by wmurphy67 October 5, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
No - the use of high-pressure water jets may not be new, but a new process that allows for mass customization would be.

Hypothetically, if you order a computer at the on-line Apple Store, the case for each computer can be form fitted for the particular hard drive, video card, etc. that you are requesting - thereby minimized overall size for each particular option set.

While Apple could now have multiple manufacturing lines for each permutation that a customer could order in its existing manufacturing process, economies of scale would probably may make such multiple lines less cost effective. The "brick" process may make economies of scale irrelevant - e.g. making 1,000 identical cases costs the same per unit as 1,000 custom cases.

Why should I have a computer case that is 2mm thinker to accommodate a hard drive (or other option) that I didn't purchase?. You can even cut your name, company, or other designs into the case.

Never mind that each user could customize the notebook in other ways for their particular tastes - although I doubt Apple would allow individuals to significantly change the look of their product.

I doubt this is what the rumors are about, but just because high-pressure water jets et. al. have been around for awhile doesn't mean that new processes that leverage those strengths can't be revolutionary.
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by rapier1 October 5, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
The only place I could see this making a difference would be in SSD vs rotating media. Even then, the gains would be minimal. As for rotating media all of the physical dimensions are standardized. A 60GB drives doesn't have a smaller footprint than a 250gb drive after all. As for the laser etching - that's a possibility but I don't see it as being revolutionary being that its commonly available - even on a mass market basis (cf the zune engraving).

I also don't seem them using solid ingots of Al and custom carving each unit. You'd have significantly added weight over a standard pressed shell and the cost differential would be substantial (as would the wastage and excess processing costs).
by solitare_pax October 5, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
The process described have been used before - and it is possible there may be some new twist to the existing technique.

May I suggest a revolutionary new idea for CNET?

Try reporting real news instead of rumor an innuendo to drive traffic to this site.
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by CMGeorge October 5, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
This rumor makes very little sense. Apple can and does do everything they need with sheet aluminum and a press, given that aluminum is an rather malleable metal. There's no need for Apple to go and buy a big block of aluminum, then carve out 98% of it with a waterjet and throw it away.
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by johnqh October 5, 2008 11:11 AM PDT
A revolutionary idea - CNET should report news instead of rumors.
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by drcocktail October 5, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
It's called satire and it goes like this: some weasel posts a terrifying and false scenario about Apple causing its stock to tank until the lie is outed. CNET's Cooper publishes an on-the-face-of-it ridiculous positive Apple rumor planned, if he were serious, to push the stock through the roof. It's commentary on the gullibility of the public, and I think the majority of the comments following the post prove well his point.
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by Anonymonk0 October 5, 2008 12:28 PM PDT
Awww, Apple had better do something quick, because I don't think Bill Gates is going to bail them out this time.

I agree with drcocktail. The satirical headline says it all.
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by Vegaman_Dan October 5, 2008 12:34 PM PDT
If you build it, they will come.

Actually Apple has been building awesome graphic hardware systems that can easily play all the current generation high power video games without any issue- the problem is that the game makers simply don't care. They aren't really paying much attention to the Apple platform due to the small market share. The economics simply aren't there yet. A few games have been ported over and met with lacklustre results. The time isn't right yet .

I think Apple will benefit from doing their own in house manufacturing for keeping the sticker price very high and their costs down load yieilding even greater profits. But they must do this for many years to pay off the investment of those facilities. If they esperience any design failure (AC power bricks catching fire, batteries, case damage, etc), then they have to eat those costs completely and can't simply sue the manufacturer to replace it- they are that manufacturer. That could be costly not only in money but also reputation. They would have nobody to blame but themselves.

It's a tricky situation for them to be in.
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by AppleSuxLeo October 5, 2008 1:02 PM PDT
Apple has more pressing issues...like dealing with Android , Amazon MP3 , MyspaceMusic , market cap dropped by HALF.
AAPL going down the crapper=Crapple !
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by Perry_Clease October 5, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
Grow up Leo
by ewelch October 5, 2008 11:03 PM PDT
Wow, only Apple has lost value in the Stock market. You must get your financial advice from a governor from a cold state near Russia.
by FormerPCwonk October 5, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
No offense "AppleSuxLeo," but when you have that name, you're basically telling people to ignore your negative Apple comments, as you're name suggests they won't be fair.

With respect to your concern about "more pressing issues," Android isn't an iPhone competitor as much as it is a WinMo competitor, Amazon MP3 would be a greater concern if the tracks were DRM'ed, MySpace Music isn't a concern at all, and the drop in market cap is a market related issue (after all, despite announcing the G1, Google has cratered right alongside Apple; should they be concerned about pressing issues too?) Only tools make strategic decisions based on market fluctuations; I guess we know where you fall. Cheers.
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by john55440 October 5, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
Cutting with lasers and water jets has been around for ages.

The rumor is consistent, however, with Apple's philosopy of (yawn) putting fashion before function. I don't buy a particular computer because the case is pretty. (grin)
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by Perry_Clease October 5, 2008 4:44 PM PDT
Apple has fashion and function on equal terms.
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