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Yahoo and Microsoft: Is it on again?

by Dawn Kawamoto
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Yahoo's Yang: On the hot seat

(Credit: Dan Farber/CNET News.com)

Update 10:33 a.m. PDT Tuesday: Adds details of Jerry Yang's activities over the past week

And you thought a deal between Microsoft and Yahoo was over and done with?

Not so fast.

Microsoft has signaled that it is willing to sweeten its previous offer for a partial buyout of Yahoo's search business, according to one major investor who has been in contact with both parties.

Neither Microsoft nor Yahoo had immediate comment.

After the termination of discussions with Microsoft less than two weeks ago, Yahoo's board said in a statement that a sale leaving the company without an independent search business "would not be in the best interests of Yahoo stockholders."

But the source noted that several of Yahoo's nine board members, including its chairman, Roy Bostock, have since indicated a willingness to hold further discussions with Microsoft on a possible deal to sell the search operations.

"When Microsoft made its offer to acquire Yahoo's search business, Yahoo rejected the offer outright. There was no negotiating beyond the ($9 billion offer) Microsoft was offering," the source said.

Steve Ballmer: It ain't over 'til it's over?

(Credit: Dan Farber/CNET News.com)

After the Microsoft negotiations collapsed, Yahoo struck a search advertising outsourcing deal with Google. But that hasn't impressed shareholders. Shares of Yahoo, which traded at $23.52 the day of the Google announcement, closed at $21.45 on Monday.

Meanwhile, rumors of an impending Yahoo reorganization--a big one that could come as early as this week--continue to swirl.

Investors clamoring for change have pointed to the approximately 35 percent decline in Yahoo's share price since Microsoft's $33 per share offer to acquire all of Yahoo. Microsoft withdrew that offer in May after failing to get a "yes" from Yahoo. Shares of Yahoo are now within hailing distance of the $19 per share trading level they hovered at prior to Microsoft's unsolicited bid in February.

Meanwhile, the future of Yahoo's CEO and co-founder, Jerry Yang, as well as a number of the company's other directors, remains undecided. Yahoo has been stunned by a run of high-profile resignations in the last couple of weeks. And while reports surfaced about the degree of Yang's involvement in the pending re-organization of Yahoo, the CEO has been busy making the rounds on Capitol Hill to discuss the Google agreement, as well as talking about the big G to Yahoo teams from Sunnyvale to New York about the announcement. These moves come as the company's annual shareholders meeting on August 1 draws near.

The source questioned whether unrest about the stock price would force a change at the top as well. "A lot of Yahoo directors are fed up with the process of what's been happening," the source said.

Should Microsoft increase its buyout bid for just Yahoo's search assets, and if the company's investors find it appealing enough--even if Yahoo's board does not--investor activist Carl Icahn may consider keeping with his initial game plan of running a dissident slate to win control of the board.

But according to an institutional investor advisory services source, Icahn would still likely stand a better chance just running a partial slate of dissident directors for minority representation on the board--even if Microsoft makes a public statement of a sweetened offer to buy only Yahoo's search business.

"If Microsoft would make a public statement, it would make a difference to a certain extent," said the institutional investor advisory services source. "But, unless it was official like a tender offer, or unless shareholders could see the details and specific terms of the partial offer, it's hard for shareholders to know how it will benefit them."

This source noted that a mere press release saying the offer has been increased to a certain level will have even less effect, or meaning to shareholders: "I don't think Microsoft publicly announcing even the terms of a sweetened bid would be enough for Carl Icahn to run a full slate, or motivate shareholders to replace the whole board."

Dawn Kawamoto covers enterprise security and financial news relating to technology for CNET News. E-mail Dawn.
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by someguy999 June 23, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
I've definitely spend way too many braincycles thinking about this... thus I've moved on. what will be will be!
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by sciontcya June 23, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
Does ANYONE care?
Really?
No, only Yahoo! employees worried about being dumped for Ballmer's buddies.
Otherwise, nobody in the virtual world does.
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by paulsecic June 24, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
I don't give a fig....
by benjaminstraight June 23, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
I won't believe anything until the papers are signed.
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by j_a_s_p_e_r June 24, 2008 7:23 PM PDT
Amen.
by amarkj June 23, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
Well you obviously cared enough to read the article and comment on it! :P
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by Ilgaz June 23, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
People really better care about this drama /soap opera. Firefox 3 users can't use Hotmail, that is what MS/Yahoo deal is about. If it happens say bye to ever compatible Yahoo.
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by Imalittleteapot June 23, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
So what? That would be like the greatest thing ever. Firefox is all handled by Mozilla right? If MS blocks Firefox from Yahoo and Hotmail then what's Mozilla going to do? WELCOME TO MOZILLA MAIL AND SEARCH. Get a real OPEN web experience with Firefox 4, Thunder Mail, and Mozilla search.com!!! DON'T LET Microsoft CONTROL YOUR WEB EXPERIENCE!!! Maybe it won't be Mozilla. Maybe some other company, but just let the free market take care of it. Microsoft only has a monopoly on the OS. Without the monopoly they simply have not been able to compete up to this point. Let's watch them fail again.
by rcrusoe June 24, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
I have a Hotmail account for throwaway mail, and have been using it with Firefox 3, on a Mac, since RC1. No problems so far.
by Renegade Knight June 24, 2008 7:07 AM PDT
If MS buys the only parts of Yahoo that make sence, that would gut Yahoo, leave MS sitting pretty and Yahoo with no hope of recovery. In short Yahoo would be selling out their shareholders and MS would actually give theirs hope.
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by Tony McCune June 24, 2008 7:09 AM PDT
Yahoo can't sell search, I have the proof. All it takes to be good at search is give good search results. http://tmccune.blogspot.com/2008/06/why-yahoo-cant-sell-search.html
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by viditbhargava June 24, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
why should MS buy Y! search??? Live search is already amazing!!!
yeah...they should get a piece of the Y! online ads...that would make more sense

and please can these two either patch up or part ways completely...they're acting like kids
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by jmdunys June 24, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
Do you want a secret? The REAL reason Microsoft is still interested in Yahoo, and Yahoo still talking to Microsoft, is because the Search thing is only a cover up.

Microsoft want Zimbra

and the Zimbra team
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by jmdunys June 24, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
Do you want a secret? The REAL reason Microsoft is still interested in Yahoo, and Yahoo still talking to Microsoft, is because the Search thing is only a cover up.

Microsoft want Zimbra

and the Zimbra team
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by jmdunys June 24, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
Do you want a secret? The REAL reason Microsoft is still interested in Yahoo, and Yahoo still talking to Microsoft, is because the Search thing is only a cover up.

Microsoft want Zimbra

and the Zimbra team
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by Quemann June 24, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
Basically, it's not over yet until it is over.
Possible ongoing Y-M talks can be mutually suitable for Y and M, and even shareholders might feel happier than hear talks have come to an end. Even Carl Icahn.
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by jCounsel June 24, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
Is this why Yahoo removed the "My Sources" tabs from the news.yahoo.com page?

jk. (Although I would like ot know when/why that happened...).

Good on short-term and for shareholders, but bad for long-term imho.

I too, jmdunys, have wondered why Yahoo has not leveraged the Zimbra platform at all! I mean, that technology could leapfrong Outlook as a service, yet I have seen no real advance since the purchase.

The question may be can Yahoo sell of technologies it has purchased to make more money than selling to MS? If so, why sell? Why not just liquidate?

Answer: Yahoo was made to move forward. What I want to know is has the top management stopped moving because they have "made" it or is it that everyone is leaving? Surely someone, if I can, still there can think of new ideas and services...
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by jCounsel June 24, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
...perhaps MS wants flikr?
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by rontowns25 June 24, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
How would they integrate the two search services. I will say that live search is becoming much better, at least from where it was a couple months ago. They need the ad inventories of yahoo. I'd love to see a microsoft-yahoo vs. google heavyweight bout. They could compete against eachother and another basement startup will begin to rise. A small business internet tech company is somewhere in a basement developing the next best thing.... www.readtheanswer.com/index.php?RTA=web2
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by j_a_s_p_e_r June 24, 2008 7:20 PM PDT
Major Investor? Thats the source? C'mon, this not journalism
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by skeleton69 June 24, 2008 11:08 PM PDT
It's all about the long tail:

http://www.twistedpine.org/seattleuntimely/index.php5?episodeNum=29

pretty hilarious
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by GregoryL July 15, 2008 9:29 PM PDT
Yawn! Is is safe to wake up now?
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