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June 12, 2008 4:55 PM PDT

U.S. congressmen say computers compromised by Chinese

by Elinor Mills

Two U.S. congressmen who are longtime critics of China's human rights record have accused China of compromising computers that had information related to political dissidents.

Rep. Frank Wolf, a Virginia Republican, says four of his computers were compromised beginning in 2006. New Jersey Republican Chris Smith said two of his computers used for the global human rights subcommittee in the House Foreign Affairs Committee were compromised in December 2006 and March 2007.

"My suspicion is that I was targeted by Chinese sources because of my long history of speaking out about China's abysmal human rights record," according to a transcript of Wolf's statement before the U.S. House on Wednesday.

Wolf requested that House leadership ask the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to brief members of Congress on the threats of laptops, cell phones, and mobile devices when traveling, particularly to countries where access to information is tightly controlled by the government.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang denied the accusations, according to The Associated Press.

"Is there any evidence?...Do we have such advanced technology? Even I don't believe it," Qin said during a regularly scheduled news conference. "I'd like to urge some people in the U.S. not to be paranoid."

The charges follow allegations made late last month that Chinese officials secretly copied the contents of a laptop left unattended when Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez was in Beijing in December. The information from the laptop was allegedly used to try to break into Commerce Department computers.

Chinese hackers are also believed to have been behind several attempts to get information from top government groups around the globe, according to the Virtual Criminology Report (PDF) released by McAfee last year.

In April, the Overseas Security Advisory Council released a China 2008 Crime & Safety Report that said:

"All means of communication--telephones, cellular phones, faxes, e-mail, text messages, etc., are likely monitored. The Chinese government has access to the infrastructure operated by the limited number of Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and wireless providers operating in China. Wireless access to the Internet in major metropolitan areas is becoming more and more common. As such, the Chinese can more easily access official and personal computers. The Chinese government has publicly declared that it regularly monitors private e-mail and Internet browsing through cooperation with local ISPs."

Larry Wortzel, chair of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, sums it up this way: "There is a high likelihood--virtually 100 percent--that if an individual is of security, political, or business interest to Chinese...security services or high technology industries, their electronics can and will be tampered with or penetrated," USA Today reported.

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by JCPayne June 12, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
-- Sponsored by the *same* group which brought you ::::: WMDs in IRAQ ::::::
Well, I want to see proof this time buster. I don't care what you say, I'm not swallowing an invasion of China without proof...
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by Commander_Spock June 13, 2008 4:55 AM PDT
Re: "Sponsored by the *same* group which brought you ::::: WMDs in IRAQ :::::: Well, I want to see proof this time buster. I don't care what you say, I'm not swallowing an invasion of China without proof..." Have you ever heard of the words - "Presumed Innocence" until found guilty! Well, was it not the same fears of "WMDs" that may have even escalated the events in Europe and many other parts of the world from 1939-1945. Since you seem to know so much convince the families and friends of the loved ones who have lost their lives on 9/11 that they are soon returning home. "Making sure" is far better that "**** sure". Yep, some ought not to turn in their graves for not having bothered to take care of the future of their grand children and their children today rather than have them do it for themselves, by then - it may be long past mid-night. Huh!
by tanis143 June 12, 2008 7:03 PM PDT
::rolls eyes:: Did they say they were going to invade China over computer hacking attempts? No. They spoke out about to show how China is abusing its power to spy on any dignitary visiting its soil. Jesus, just because you hate Bush doesn't mean you have to Dog every single Repub on the planet.....
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by jahogus June 12, 2008 8:04 PM PDT
Wow, some more anti-China propaganda from the Bush administration. The entire story seems to be on built upon quicksand. How can these congressmen to certain their laptops were compromised, and even if they were, how can they be absolutely certain that some Chinese hacker was behind this? After all, China is not the only country to have a reputation for accomplished hackers. And yes, the Chinese government knew beforehand when and where Gutierrez was going to leave his laptop unattended and hence sent agents to compromise his laptop when it happened... propostorous.
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by VoReason June 13, 2008 2:32 AM PDT
I?m more shocked anyone is surprised by this, come on we were doing wire tap operations on the Soviet Union?s under water communication cables decades ago. And while actively gaining access to the system itself may be going a step further you?re kidding yourself if you think we haven?t done the same thing and just didn?t disclose it. Frankly if the NSA isn?t currently investigating or exploiting holes in security, be they physical or electronic we?ve already missed the boat. Besides, what you should be asking ? if any sensitive information existed on the laptop and it wasn?t properly secured why did it ever leave a secure environment?
by EMPIRE_OF_LIES June 13, 2008 5:28 AM PDT
On 8th March 1983 Ronald Reagan gave his Evil Empire Speech at the Annual Convention of the the National Association of Evangelicals. Reagan was of course bringing to the attention of the world the truth of the Soviet Union. These words were harsh, but they were the truth, and they were said because the western world had spent 60 years pretending the Soviet Communists could be controlled. Well Reagan was right. The soviet communists were evil, and let me take this moment to remind the world, that the Chinese Communist Party, is also an Evil Empire, that the western world has been bowing to for 30 years. Whether you believe congressmen Rep. Frank Wolf or Rep. Chris Smith or not is not the question, as any foreigner who has lived in China amongst the Chinese people for more than 12 months can confirm conclusively that the Chinese Government is actively pursuing a policy of destroying any Chinese person who thinks differently to Communist Party Policy. And dissidents who live overseas, well such persons are actively spied on by the Chinese Government. Does this happen in America. Well, YES. Could an American be killed by the Government for not following government decisions. Or for speaking on television against American government policy. Well, NO. In China it is the opposite. The Chinese government really does have a policy to kill or destroy the life of anyone citizen who damages the survival and reputation of the Chinese government. The problem in America and other western countries is that our lives have been so good, so safe, for so long, that we have no idea of what really happens in the real world. I have lived in China for over 30 years, and can say categorically, that the Chinese Communist Party, and its cronies are a corrupt evil bunch of thugs who care about nothing but themselves. The Tibetan people are a good example. The Tibetans is not Chinese. Tibet has never been Chinese, since the Ching Empire, was not Chinese. The Ching Imperial Family came from Jurchen Tartars, who in 1635 changed the name of their tribe/empire to MANCHU and they conquered the Chinese in 1644. Thus the reason why the language of the Ching Empire was Mandarin. That?s right, Mandarin is not a Chinese language. Mandarin is the language of the Manchu Overlords. The problem in America, is that nobody has witnessed an evil act performed by the government against the people. The Chinese Communist Party is not the friend of America. They see America as the enemy. A country to despise. The Chinese are just sitting back and waiting for the day when they can crush the American people. Look at the amount of foreign currency the Chinese Communist Party has in the bank. US$1.7 trillion. I thought the whole idea of Global Trade was to spread wealth throughout the planet. Why would a single government need so much cash, unless they viewed such savings as a weapon against somebody, like another country. So, can the American people believe the Chinese are their friends. Definitely not. All the Chinese Government wants is your money and technology so that they can control the global economy, and produce an even harsher, EVIL EMPIRE, designed the suppress the Chinese people. Tibet was invaded by the Chinese in 1950, to secure the waterways required for the main Chinese rivers. The Chinese treat the Tibetans as vermin, a people destined for exterminated. This is the true attitude of the Chinese Communist Party. In fact I would say the Chinese believe the Americans are no better. It makes you wonder if that big bad Mr. Bush is as stupid as everyone thinks. I?m not a republican. But I can say categorically that everything stated by the US. congress about the Chinese communist demon, is THE TRUTH.
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by djmj12 June 13, 2008 5:57 AM PDT
@EMPIRE_OF_LIES - great post! You've obviously done your homework and put a lot of thought into it. As for me... I think we should immediately revoke "most favored nation" status from China, like President Truman did in 1951 after the Chinese invaded Tibet. As consumers of cheap, inferior goods imported from China, we are ******* ourselves to the Chinese and are, in fact, consumers of our own destruction.
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by EMPIRE_OF_LIES June 13, 2008 6:25 AM PDT
YES, everything I have said in my post is correct. it is THE TRUTH. The Chinese despise the WEST, because they believe WESTERN powers caused the collapse of the Chine Empire. They just can?t accept, that the last Chinese Empire was the Ming Dynasty, which was conquered by the Jerchen Tartars, who became the MANCHU in 1644. THE TRUTH is that throughout the Ching Empire Period, China did not exist. The Chinese people are just so ignorant with they?re history, that they have no idea who they are. My last point should be that the Ching Empire fell because of corruption, just like the corruption which is destroying China today. Even when we look at the earthquake in Sichuan and the collapse of the schools and hospitals, this destruction occurred because of corrupt Communist Party Officials who arranged for less steel and more sand to be used in the concrete mix used in the superstructures of the buildings. Even now, with this tragedy, the Communist Party is moving to suppress the truth and reflect blame onto someone else. If you ask any Chinese why the Ching Empire Fell, they will say the RUNNING DOG WESTERNERS are responsible. They will never say - It was our fault. Corruption is our curse and the cause of the collapse of all our governments. The WEST has to wake up. How many jobs can you loose before your enlightened at the to real situation. WHY DOES ANY GOVERNMENT NEED TO HORDE US$1.7 TRILLION. Americans need to tighten their belt, work warder, and only buy from the FREE WORLD, NOT A DYSFUNCTIONAL COUNTRY, WITH A COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT, PRETENDING TO BE OUR FRIEND.
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by rcrusoe June 13, 2008 7:16 AM PDT
Sounds true to me. We started getting port probed from ip addresses registered to Chinese government agencies and universities years ago.
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by The_Decider June 13, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
And that is proof? Like it is impossible to spoof IP addresses, use proxy servers from those addresses, etc.
by Seaspray0 June 13, 2008 7:58 AM PDT
<beep> <beep> <beep>...<beep> This just in! The FBI has released the identity of two Jerchen Tartars they beleive were working for the Ching Dynasty to hack the two computers of the congressman. China denies the existence of the Ching Dynasty. One Chinese official stated, "We would never steal anything" as he watched bootleg DVD's on his "Sonie" DVD player. President Bush threatens to deploy the marines against the fish that have been stalking him from the river near his ranch in texas.
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by Commander_Spock June 13, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
Re: <beep> <beep> <beep>...<beep> This just in! The FBI has released the identity of two Jerchen Tartars they beleive were working for the Ching Dynasty to hack the two computers of the congressman. China denies the existence of the Ching Dynasty. One Chinese official stated, "We would never steal anything" as he watched bootleg DVD's on his "Sonie" DVD player. President Bush threatens to deploy the marines against the fish that have been stalking him from the river near his ranch in Texas". Both "Big" and "Little Brothers" Are Watching" to see who would be "stealing"!

http://www.genealogymagazine.com/luckhoo.html

How goes the "H-1B" Visas processing - "number for (against) number"!
by The_Decider June 13, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
Wow he is "suspicious"? That is it? Why are republicans almost universally retarded? If they have no evidence, they should likely learn how to set up their system and shut up. No, I am not a democrat, but thanks for thinking of that straw man argument!
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by rdupuy11 June 13, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
Lets not forget in all this talk about China (yes they are evil, and they are arrogant and dangerous on top of that)...but lets not digress into a discussion about China just yet.

First lets talk about our average congressmen, that thinks that there is a need to educate about the issue of leaving confidential documents unattended in a foreign country to be copied....whether those documents are on a computer or printed on paper.

HMMM...yes congressmen, some education is in order. Perhaps if both of you went to jail for your idiotic behavior that would warn future congressmen to not be unfathomonable idiots in the future.

If you have security clearance, you should know 101 about not taking those documents to foreign countries and leaving them unattended.


The proof appears to be that the information was used. So obviously they have it.
They may not give us absolute proof, but luckily the problem is solveable here...if not the chinese, it will be another government...you just don't do these type of idiotic things.
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by Lerianis June 13, 2008 11:39 AM PDT
Actually, I do not think that they are evil, arrogant or dangeorus. If you compare China's leaders to OUR leaders.... you see some absolutely FRIGHTENING similarities between them.
by sanenazok June 13, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
I really liked the quote from Qin Gang: "Even I don't believe it"

Yes, that's impressive since you believe all the Chinese Communist propaganda. So if you don't believe something then it's really notable for its stupidity I guess.

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by nbvail June 13, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
Welcome to VISTA and Windows, they didn't break in, they were welcomed into those PCs via another hidden feature from Microsoft - called the Back Door.
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by Lord Paul June 13, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
LOL !!!
This is a joke right?? The last few paragraphs sound just like the policies of GEORGE W. BUSH and this Great USA. Are yousure they're talking about China?
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by belal12 June 13, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
"Could an American be killed by the Government for not following government decisions. Or for speaking on television against American government policy. Well, NO."

what a load of crap. Maybe you haven't heard of gitmo , baghram, belmarsh or any other american or american ally's dungeon for holding "islamists" for speaking out against american policies or israeli policies. Why mention israel? because Israel is ofcourse america's 51st state.
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by DigitalFrog June 13, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
Simple solution: Politician visits China with a 'honeypot' pc and 'accidentally' leaves it unattended. PC actually contains bogus info and a trojan program that when they try to access it will suck the life out of their network (maybe a copy of Vista?)
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by Badr220 May 7, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
The unattended PC security risk is a serious one. Fortunantely there are solutons out there that eliminate this security vulnerability.

See www.viionsystems.com for an example of what is available today.

These solutions use facial tracking & recognition to lock a workstation when the user leaves, and unlock it when they return. This makes it impossible for an un-authorized user to access someone?s computer session (such as a Chinese spy!).

This is a technology that should be implemented for any computing access that contains or has access to security-critical data.
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