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April 7, 2008 7:43 PM PDT

HP strikes chord with Mini-Note PC

by Erica Ogg

Updated 6:15 AM PDT to reflect official announcement, as expected.

The biggest name in computing is joining the growing mini-notebook fray.

On Tuesday, Hewlett-Packard announced its new Mini-Note PC, due to begin shipping next week. You might recognize it as the HP Compaq 2133, which was the internal HP name back when early images were leaked online.

HP Mini-Note

HP's Mini-Note has an 8.9-inch screen and weighs in at 2.6 pounds. (Click image for photo gallery.)

(Credit: Hewlett-Packard)

HP's entry into the trendy mini-notebook market is certainly the biggest name--so far. To get an idea of how popular these devices are of late, check out Amazon.com's list of 10 most-purchased PCs. Three of Amazon's top 10 notebooks are versions of the Eee PC from Asus. The rest is comprised of Sony Vaios and Apple MacBooks. That a traditional white box PC maker is in the same list as those two, which are pricier laptops with a legacy of good design is fairly amazing--but not entirely shocking. The Eee PC has been the talk of the gadget and tech world since its fall 2007 launch.

Now HP has just put its fairly large boot smack into the middle of Asus' territory. Will it be able to steal the Eee PC's thunder? It has a good chance. Though it's slightly bigger than the Eee PC, the Mini-Note also has big brand-name backing, and slightly more flair for design than the Eee.

Though HP is flaunting the low-end $499 version of the Mini-Note, don't be fooled. This is not a pricing competition with Asus. HP is the largest PC manufacturer in the world, and if it wanted to make the most inexpensive Windows machine out there, it likely could.

Instead, it chose a combination of mature features (Wi-Fi, USB, a Via processor) with some nice bonuses, like a spill-proof keyboard, a shock-resistant hard drive, and a sleek aluminum case.

What's more likely is this: It's probably the first major fork in the road for this category of computing. NPD is predicting that many more manufacturers will throw their hat into this same ring sometime this year (Acer is rumored to be next). The devices will probably break along the lines of an Eee PC-type device, and the Mini-Note: low-cost, Linux-based Web companions versus tiny, full-featured Windows notebooks, according to Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis for The NPD Group.

Key features
The Mini-Note is nice-looking and boasts some appealing features: it weighs in at 2.6 pounds, has an 8.9-inch screen with 1280x768 resolution, and comes with an optional Webcam. But the difference here is it could, if need be, actually function as a primary computer: the option of SUSE Linux with a 64GB solid-state drive or Windows XP or Vista with up to 160GB of hard drive space.

HP Mini-Note

HP touts the Mini-Note as "smaller and lighter than many math or science books."

(Credit: Hewlett-Packard)

The key difference for a lot of users, however, will be the Mini-Note's keyboard. It has essentially a full QWERTY keyboard, shrunk just 8 percent smaller than the traditional typing surface we're used to.

On low-cost laptops intended for students--like the XO from One Laptop Per Child, the Eee PC from Asus, and the Classmate PC from Intel--a major complaint and a key limitation is the twee keyboard, which poses a challenge for average adult-size fingers. That's why the keyboard--and not the screen, the battery, or the motherboard--is driving the form factor of the Mini-Note. HP says it built the entire machine around the custom keyboard.

Like the three aforementioned machines, the Mini-Note is not aimed at the mass market. It starts on the low end at $499 for the Linux, SSD version, but a fully configured device with Vista can top out at $1,200.

Who'll use it?
For its part, HP is looking at two very specific niches of users for the Mini-Note--primary and secondary school students, and business travelers. Though Asus also insisted it was targeting kids with the Eee PC, HP's brand name and more sophisticated configuration options give it much more room to actually reap a profit from these things, noted Rubin.

HP might ship the most computers in the world, but it also recognized an opportunity they could be missing out on, according to Dan Forlenza, vice president and general manager of HP's business notebooks division.

"We like (market) share, but we're more interested in profitable growth," Forlenza said in an interview.

Education is a niche in which HP doesn't lead. The Palo Alto, Calif., PC maker shipped just over a million computers to U.S.-based K through 12 students last year, which puts them in third place behind Dell, with 2.7 million PCs in schools, and Apple with 1.2 million units, according to IDC.

"The mass market (for these kinds of devices) isn't as wide as a lot of folks think because of their limited functionality," said Richard Shim, PC analyst for IDC. Though the feature set of small notebooks like the Mini-Note and its ilk will expand in the coming years, its best feature--the price--will lose its shine as mainstream notebook prices also continue to fall.

Notably, HP isn't trying to market this as a UMPC-like device that could work for everyone. It's a wise move that could spare the Mini-Note PC from the same fate as HP's previous attempts at this category (the Journada, the OmniBook), according to Shim. "We all have drawers full of handhelds that can attest to that. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of wiggle room in the market for this type of product from a mass-market standpoint."

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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Mac Air Killer?
by gerardosalazar11 April 7, 2008 8:14 PM PDT
Is it me, or did I just read 64GB SSD starting at $499? Throw in 2 or more USB ports and I think that the Air's anorexic looks will be hard to compete with the cute , healthy looking aluminum HP. Plus, the HP is cheaper to take out on a date if we are to follow the metaphor. I was considering the 4G eee PC, but this could be just much too tempting...
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screen size
by nanisani April 7, 2008 8:51 PM PDT
the HP has an 8.9 inch screen and downsized keys and for $499
comes only with Linux and has a 1 GHz VIA C7-M Processor - The
Air has 13.3 inch screen and a full sized backlit keyboard 80 gig
drive a 1.5 gig Core 2 Duo Intel CPU and OSX with the ability to run
any other OS you want.

They are in different classes. The Air is far from anorexic.
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Baby of an iPod Touch and MB Air Union?
by kool_skatkat April 8, 2008 1:54 AM PDT
Is this what the offspring of an iPod Touch and MB Air union would look like?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kool_skatkat/
It's you gerardo
by chkm8 April 8, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
First of all your commenting on an Apple being worthy of anything. I personally went and checked out this "Mac Air", what a joke. Second, who wants to carry around a suitcase full of all the externals you will need to make this notebook useful to people? It's ridiculous! So I do agree on the HP being cheaper to take out on a date and being more fun after, if we are to follow the metaphor...
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Nice laptop, bad processor
by pugster April 8, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
Everything looks nice on this laptop. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact that it has a slow Via processor. I would've settled for a silverthorne one instead.
I look forward to this...
by seth.levy April 7, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
As a university student, I am very excited for this notebook. Once textbooks go the way of the E-Book, products like the mini-note will be the only thing weighing us down.
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docking station?
by markc nz April 7, 2008 10:03 PM PDT
i like the portability but would need a docking station to easily connect to a full size monitor, keyboard and mouse. mentioning if the unit comes with a compatible docking station would have been a nice addition to this article.
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HP "gets it"...
by AppleSuxLeo April 7, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
they will sell millions ! A choice of Linux or XP is great and it actually has a usefull number of ports , adequate storage , and built-in radios. And it is priced way under what Apple offers.
XP home runs great on just 1GB RAM. Actually mine ran well on 512MB and didn`t crash or get malware in over 4 years of use. With like 12 total years of support from MSFT , that is real value.
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The Omnibook was way ahead but too expensive
by glyaflya April 7, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
The article mentions HP's past mini attempts. The Omnibook 800CT
was wonderful but too expensive partly because it was made in
Corvallis, Oregon. I'm sure the Note is made in China.
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a true mini that should rock!
by Boxarox April 8, 2008 12:01 AM PDT
I'm liking these new mini pc offerings from Asus,Intel, Everex, and now this from HP.
SSD or not, for $499 one could buy three of these for less than one MB Air, which I do not consider a true mini-PC...Different league.
I do have concerns with the "VIA" processor however, anyone got the specs on these?
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Specs
by RagZ44 April 8, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
Here are the specs:

http://government.hp.com/content_detail.asp?contentid=1214&agencyid=136&state=CA
outstanding mobile laptop for the masses
by EdG2 April 8, 2008 4:04 AM PDT
The weight, the price, the expandibility ports, the plethora of features and offering a Windows version from the get go makes this an excellent option for most people looking for a nice portable everyday little laptop to take to school, trips and anywhere around teh house or in the city.

HP should build a little Web 2.0 community site for the Mini-Note PC, with links to OpenOffice, Adobe Buzzword, Photoshop Express, GoogleDocs and all a number of other notable freeware that buyers of the Mini-Note might be interested in.

I could not tell but hope the HP 2133 has a PC Card Express to connect it to a 3G mobile wireless broadband network. That would be key.

I wish there was an option to get it with a convertible Tablet PC touch-sensitive (Wacom-based) screen as digital ink and turning it into a slate for reading and Web browsing is very useful. A Tablet PC option would be a very desirable option. The Webcam should be built-in, but that's minor.

Looks like a winner product with a strong potential appeal to the masses, more so when/if found at lower promotional prices.
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For the masses of nerds
by hal Summers April 12, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
The average computer user wants something that works for him
with having to get a bunch of open source apps they have to install
themselves. Sure, for a few tech weinies this might be a great
choice but for most consumers it is not a viable alternative.
Low cost full-sized laptops?
by jchall123 April 8, 2008 6:15 AM PDT
How is this device supposed to compete against low cost full sized laptops. I just checked tigerdirect.com, and they have an HP 530 Notebook PC with an Intel Celeron M 440 1.86GHz, 802.11b/g Wireless, 512MB DDR2, 80GB HDD, CD-RW/DVD Combo, 15.4" WXGA, Windows Vista Home Basic. There are similar notebooks with 14" and 15" screens in the $500 price point, one you can still get with XP. Why would you want a smaller screen, lower-power processor, and smaller storage for the same price. I didn't check weight, so that might be the only thing where the HP mini notebook exceeds the specs of these other low price laptops.
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Offers a different option
by k2dave April 8, 2008 8:01 AM PDT
It competes because it's not a full size laptop, it's easier to take with you and for people on the go, lugging a full size laptop is a burden that they want to lessen, but can't lessen it to the point of a pda (or iphone type gagit), this may allow them to do what they need to do, with the luxury of a (almost) full sized keyboard, in as small size and weight as is now possible.
by greg_pda September 9, 2008 5:55 AM PDT
These mini-laptops are NOT SUPPOSED to compete against full-sized laptops. This type of reaction is what killed the Palm Foleo last summer, a decision which I'm sure the comapny now regrets.

"Netbooks" -- as this product category is sometimes called -- have low price points, but these highly-portable PCs are designed for the person who lugs around a laptop frequently, includes commuting and travel, not just from meeting room to meeting room in the office, or car to office to car. While the consumer and educational market might be attracted by the low prices, netbooks are ideal for business travellers and others who CARRY a laptop everywhere they go.

A typical full-size laptop will weight 4-7 pounds and most have an AC adaptor that weights an additional 10-15 ounces. After having my arm stretched for years by the very heavy "desktop-replacement" laptops that IT departments love so much, and I'm delighted to have a choice like the HP Mini Note.

Like all electronics, the smaller and lighter the product, the more expensive it is to produce and the more design compromises need to be made. If you want the cheapest price, look elsewhere. If you want to run CAD or digital photo editing software, buy a more powerful PC. If you rarely travel and don't commute with your laptop, look at other products. If you drive everywhere, and stick you laptop in the car, look at other products.

But iIf you want a laptop that fits easily in a briefcase and doesn't weight you down, yet can run Microsoft Office, check email, give a presentation and get you online with a decent keyboard and large-enough display, consider a netbook like the Mini Note. The low price point is gravy -- compare the Mini Note to Sony's smallest, lightest full-featured laptop model and the difference in price is about $1,500.
flip screen
by adevazeille April 8, 2008 7:14 AM PDT
If htey include a flipable screen so I can use the UMPC's as a e book reader I would buy one in a split second. Especially since the ebooks available have such screwy formating and restrictions.
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HP had a similar product (running WIN CE) back in 1998
by emacs19 April 8, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/museum/personalsystems/0038/0038threeqtr.html
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Other HP windows CE offering is not the same
by k2dave April 8, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
Instead of posting a web address it would help it you typed something useful, but I assume that you are pointing out that HP tried this already and it failed. There is a key difference here, that device is meant to complement a full windows PC (or laptop), as a 'fully grown' pda. That puts some serious limitations on it. People are worried about compatibility issues of software and hardware. I don't ever recall seeing Win CE drivers included in any device I got, though I don't look for that so they may be there. The mini PC runs regular windows, and is a full blown OS and computer, you can walk into any store buy a windows USB device and it works. Also this can be a full stand alone computer for someone, the Win CE device can't do that (IIRC Win CE requires a Windows PC to load software on the Win CE device).
uh...
by pjhenry1216 April 9, 2008 6:20 AM PDT
What idea? A small laptop? You think OLPC should be able to patent that?
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that was in response to the OLPC comment
by pjhenry1216 April 9, 2008 6:20 AM PDT
That was in response to that OLPC being taken advantage of. I hit reply to story instead of reply to comment.
Via rather than Atom? Bizarre
by ArtInvent April 9, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
With Intel's Atom just coming out, HP really missed the boat with this. Via's chips are okay, but the super low power consumption of the Atom would seem to give the new EeePC 900 the upper hand.
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Waterfield already offers a sleeve for it
by DigitalDMan April 11, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
Just noticed on the WaterField Designs site that they are already
producing a sleeve for this. I think this new notebook is going to
offer some pretty stiff competition for the MBAir.

http://www.sfbags.com/index.htm
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Nice, but Ubuntu would have been a better choice.
by My-Self April 12, 2008 8:55 PM PDT
If Ubuntu does not already run on that sweet little machine, it probably won't be long before it does, however, I would have liked it to be installed by default instead of Suse.
However, I like the fact it offers a choice between Windows and Linux as standard options.
Another good point is the 1280*768 (or 800 in another page in the HP website ?) screen resolution. that makes it quite usable, I'm curious to see it. The standard 120 Go hard drive and 1Go Ram in the 549$ model is more than adequate. Add the optional Bluetooth for wireless mouse and headset and it's perfect.
BTW, there is a mistake in the article, the Flash disk in the 499$ version is not 64Go, but only 4Go. Way too small.
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Put it on it!
by mattumanu April 13, 2008 2:55 AM PDT
If you like ubuntu, put it on it. Get the Linux version, and put ubuntu on it.
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