Musicians still waiting on a YouTube payday
How important is music to Google's YouTube.com? Out of the 12 all-time most viewed YouTube clips, nine are professionally made music videos. At least one rock video has been watched more than 75 million times on YouTube.
But do the performers in the videos share in the advertising revenue generated by their work?
Some top music managers have told CNET News.com that their clients haven't seen any money from the licensing deals the four largest music labels have signed with YouTube over the past 18 months. According to a statement from Google-owned YouTube, the Web site is banking ad dollars generated by the artist's music and is sharing that money with the record labels. What the managers want to know is why little or nothing has trickled down to the artists.
"I don't know any artist who has gotten a royalty statement (from their label that includes YouTube money)," said music attorney Chris Castle.
There could be a few reasons for lack of compensation. Several managers charge that YouTube's filtering system is unable to accurately track videos featuring copyrighted songs uploaded to the site by users. Without an accurate accounting of the music, the labels won't be able to compensate artists fairly, said Jay Rosenthal, legal counsel for the Recording Artists Coalition, an organization co-founded by singers Don Henley and Sheryl Crow.
"Whatever figure the labels are getting doesn't mean it's the right figure," Rosenthal said.
Are there grounds for those fears? YouTube's reporting has indeed caused concern at the major music companies, according to three music industry sources with knowledge of the record companies' relationship with YouTube. There have been "lags in reporting" because of technology problems at the video site, said two of the sources, who requested anonymity because they aren't authorized to speak for their companies.
All three music industry sources said, however, that YouTube has "acted in good faith" and has taken steps to improve its reporting. "These are still early days," said one of the sources. "The music managers are always quick to demand money or to shut down a service or to file suit. Sure, maybe down the road the labels will have to flex their muscles but right now they want to give YouTube some time to develop."
The sources also said that so far, the videos on YouTube have earned relatively little money.
In the deals struck with the record companies, starting with Warner Music Group in September 2006, YouTube agreed to pay the labels for use of sound recordings and to also "share revenue generated from playbacks," according to YouTube. The company did not provide financial details of the agreements.
YouTube said in a statement that "payments (to the record companies) are generally increasing over time."
As for its technology, YouTube said, "We partner with Audible Magic, generally regarded by the music industry as the gold standard in audio identification...we are scaling our technology rapidly with very positive results."
At this point, it appears YouTube has been thrust into the middle of a long-running labor feud. All parties agree that YouTube has correctly licensed the music heard on the video-sharing site, and as a YouTube spokesman pointed out: "The record labels, not YouTube, are responsible for payments to the artists."
This is not a new problem. Artists have for decades accused record companies--Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, Sony BMG, and the EMI Group--of cutting them out of their fair share of profits. At a time when the Web and digital technology have caused the music industry numerous headaches, the issue of compensating artists for downloads and Internet rights is turning into a migraine.
Last week, The New York Post reported that music managers were tired of waiting for their share of the money the labels received in court settlements from peer-to-peer sites Napster and Kazaa.
Two years ago, veteran rock bands Cheap Trick and the Allman Brothers Band filed a lawsuit against Sony BMG for unpaid royalties regarding digital downloads. That case is still pending.
Reached at his New York office this week, Brian Caplan, the attorney for the bands, said he wasn't familiar with the YouTube deal but didn't like the excuses offered about why artists aren't seeing YouTube-generated money. "The bottom line is the labels will feed themselves any rationalization to keep as much money as possible for themselves and not share it with the artist," he said.
Record industry insiders point out that they have been vilified for allegedly being too slow to embrace technology and innovative ideas. But here they are being condemned for helping to develop online video-sharing into a new music platform.
Warner Music flatly denied that its artists weren't getting paid. "Warner Music Group shares all of the digital revenue we receive with our artists in accordance with the terms of their agreements," the company said in a statement. "While those agreements are confidential, they outline a reporting and payment process to which we strictly adhere."
The other three labels declined to comment for this story.
Music managers say part of the problem is that the record companies keep them in the dark. They say artists haven't been made privy to the financial terms to the deals the labels are striking with YouTube or other Web sites. They also don't know how the labels divvy up the artist share or how the music being played on these sites is tracked and reported.
"This is endemic to a lot of areas," said Rosenthal from RAC. "The performers really don't know how they get paid. You just assume you get 50 percent of something. What we want to know is what kind of metadata do they get from these services to show this is what is played. If you can't get metadata then you have to come up with some formula.
"Otherwise if you don't, then the labels sit on their (butts) and don't pay the artists because they don't know how...what's happening here are old contracts are colliding with new technologies. I'm not saying the labels are wrong for not knowing how to pay. But what's wrong is not sitting down and figuring it out all the while they don't pay the performers."
Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET. 
spend any money on music knowing full well it's the music mafia
that is raping the musicians for all they're worth. I am sick and
tired of this mafia calling ME the "pirate" when we all know it's the
RIAA who are doing all the stealing..!!!
Buy music DIRECTLY from the artists and NOT from the Music Mafia
(RIAA).
I let my songs be downloaded for personal use for free. Now YouTube hosts a video with one that I didn't approve or submit and for which I don't even get a URI because the person who submitted it decided it was faster to steal then ask. Another site is selling an old demo of the same song downloaded from a site I did give permission to allow fans of that site to download.
Sorry, but kids, you're stealing just like the record companies and no matter how much righteous indignation you write on the web about RIAA, you are just like them, except you are bigger hypocrites about it, and in my book, that means allowing you to download for free is a tremendous mistake.
But, record companies do provide some value to artists via release support. Record promoters, because of past deeds, have their hands tied now, and radio is one big conglomerate with very limited playlists. Internet still doesn't have the penetration or impact traditional radio had (has).
stop making them.
How much does MTV or VH1 pay to play the videos? Nada.
Nothing. Why? Because the artist gets exposures, sells more
music, more concert tickets and any other item they can think
of.
Second, advertising revenue has dropped considerably on the
web in the past two years. I know this for a fact. I have a website
that gets about 1.2million page views/month and I make a
whopping $300/month. So if your video got 75,000,000 plays,
then maybe that video generated ~$22,500. But guess what,
YouTube has to take the lions share to cover their expenses to
serve those videos. And then you have the RIAA, labels,
lawyers... the artist SHOULD get little or nothing and be thankful
that they still make boatloads of money from their record sales
and concerts.
And if an artist doesn't like it, then stop making videos.
And for the record, the RIAA and MPA are nothing more than a
group of high paid lawyers -- they are leeches to the artists for
the most part.
explosive growth. Musicians should now self promote themselves.
The old record business with labels and distributors is going the
way of the dinosaur.
artists: ok where's the money
labels: (from new yacht) i'm going under a tunnel i can't hear you anymore
hey musicians millions of people look at Youtube every day, you're getting FREE advertising, stop whining about it. companies pay millions to have themselves broadcast to that many people and you're getting it for free. i know its a rough life driving around the country for half the year and partying but try to deal with it.
- About getting paid for my song
- by tombutler47 March 13, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
- Hi, I would love to get paid for the hits on my song that looks to be a hit, please check it out and give me your opinion!! It's on You Tube at www.youtube.com/tombutler47
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(17 Comments)Thanks, Tom