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January 3, 2008 4:00 AM PST

Washington Post sticks by RIAA story despite evidence it goofed

by Greg Sandoval

It's late on Wednesday evening and the Washington Post has yet to correct a story that accused the recording industry of trying to paint law-abiding music fans as criminals.

But the paper should make things right and soon.

"Rather than suing its customers and slamming reporters, the RIAA might better spend its energies focusing on winning back the trust of an alienated consumer base."
--Marc Fisher, columnist

Marc Fisher, a Post columnist, wrote on Sunday that the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) asserted in a legal brief that anyone who copies music from a CD onto their computer is a thief. The document, filed last month, was part of the RIAA's copyright suit against Jeffrey Howell, an Arizona resident accused of illegal file sharing.

Quoting from the brief, Fisher wrote that the RIAA had argued that MP3 files created from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" and violate the law. If it were true, the move would represent a major shift in strategy by the RIAA, which typically hasn't challenged an individual's right to copy CDs for personal use.

The problem with Fisher's story is that nowhere in the RIAA's brief does the group call someone a criminal for simply copying music to a computer. Throughout the 21-page brief, the recording industry defines what it considers to be illegal behavior and it boils down to this: creating digital recordings from CDs and then uploading them to file-sharing networks.

A sentence on page 15 of the brief clearly spells out the RIAA's position: "Once (Howell) converted plaintiff's recording into the compressed MP3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiff."

The key words there are "shared folder" and it's an important distinction. It means that before the RIAA considers someone a criminal, a person has to at least appear to be distributing music.

The Post story, which followed similar pieces in Ars Technica and Wired.com, has spurred scores of other media outlets to repeat the paper's erroneous assertion. Ironically, even typically anti-RIAA blogs, such as Engadget, Gizmodo and TechDirt have jumped in on the side of the RIAA.

"The Washington Post story is wrong," said Jonathan Lamy, an RIAA spokesman. "As numerous commentators have since discovered after taking the time to read our brief, the record companies did not allege that ripping a lawfully acquired CD to a computer or transferring a copy to an MP3 player is infringement. This case is about the illegal distribution of copyrighted songs on a peer-to-peer network, not making copies of legally acquired music for personal use."

After reading Lamy's statement, Fisher didn't back down.

He responded in an e-mail to CNET News.com: "The bottom line is that there is a disconnect between RIAA's publicly stated policy that making a personal copy of a CD is ok and the theory advanced by its lawyers that in fact, transferring music to your computer is an unauthorized act."

He took one more shot before signing off: "Rather than suing its customers and slamming reporters, the RIAA might better spend its energies focusing on winning back the trust of an alienated consumer base."

Still, Fisher received little support from respected and independent copyright experts. William Patry, the copyright guru at Google--not exactly known as a lackey for copyright holders--wrote on his blog that the RIAA is being "unfairly maligned" in the Post story.

Patry does, however, caution that recent statements made by the RIAA and included in Fisher's story reflect the group's growing tendency to use language as a means of control.

Fisher quoted Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, who testified recently in court that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."

Patry disagreed.

"This new rhetoric of 'everything anyone does without (RIAA) permission is stealing' is well worth noting and well worth challenging at every occasion," Patry wrote. "It is the rhetoric of copyright as an ancient property right, permitting copyright owners to control all uses as a natural right; the converse is that everyone else is an immoral thief."

Greg Sandoval is a former Washington Post staff writer.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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I don't agree with RIAA
by Sentinel January 3, 2008 4:36 AM PST
They might be trying to sell the idea that they never said just copying music from legally owned CDs is not theft, and that it is only illegal when the music is shared. If they really believed this, why then has there been so much effort to place copy protection mechanisms on CDs and DVDs? If you remember the Sony rootkit incident a few years back, it was intended to prevent people from ripping CDs. What about iTunes, which lets you burn legally bought music to CD, but only a few times? What about that story a few years back about an experimental technology that allowed "copies of the copies" only to a limited amount of times?

RIAA would rather have all copied music banned, if they could. But, they can't afford to let the press say that is their intention.
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RIAA is Framing Future Cases
by GregL-Fla January 3, 2008 9:37 AM PST
If "unauthorized copy" is not to mean their position is that you are a thief, please have your friends over there at the RIAA release an official statement that we can copy our CD's, or any legally obtained "performance" they lay claim to, to any media we wish, freely, and that they will call off their lawyers from those that do.

Come on. You have to be kidding me that this is not calling us thieves. It most certainly is setting us up to be called criminals. I'm convinced.
Bullsh*t
by Hoodgrown_Magazine January 3, 2008 5:30 AM PST
I'm going to quote a Mashable.com post on the subject that I totally agree with...


"Today, CNET complains about Washington Post still not ?correcting? the article, although there was ?evidence it goofed?. I say: bollocks.

Let?s leave the lawyer talk to lawyers; I?ll make things real simple here, folks. It?s RIAA that?s muddying the water here. They?re the ones that are using doublespeak to make it increasingly confusing to everyone, creating an atmosphere of fear (and loathing) in which you can never be sure whether you?re stealing music or not. It?s no wonder that they get picked on by everyone with a brain: people are annoyed and unhappy about their politics, their lawsuits, and their murky statements on copyright.

The heart of the matter in this debate is whether RIAA is claiming that copying music you own to your own computer is illegal. Techdirt says it?s not so, Washington Post says it?s true. I have a somewhat different position on this one. The problem is that RIAA has done everything in their power to make us unsure of where exactly they stand on this matter, and they?ve done it on purpose.

Amidst this debate, how hard is it for RIAA to clearly say: no, we?re not going after personal copies? Yes, you can copy the stuff you own to your hard disk? Pretty damn easy. But here?s what they say (also noted in the Washington Post article) about it:

?burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as:

* The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
* The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.?

So is it legal, or it just ?won?t usually raise concerns?? I?m not really sure, and I suspect neither are the users. And there lies the problem."
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Respectfully, you and Mashable missed the point
by sandonet January 3, 2008 6:59 AM PST
You might be right about the RIAA's intent to "muddy the waters" but that isn't the issue here.

The Washington Post's Marc Fisher said something existed in the RIAA's argument on the Howell case that simply doesn't. Marc is a respected columnist but in this instance, he erred. There's no denying that. Anyway, thanks for reading.
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so where do libraries fall...
by Synerjinx January 5, 2008 6:56 AM PST
Quote from Hoodgrown_Magazine: "But here?s what they say (also noted in the Washington Post article) about it: ?burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won?t usually raise concerns so long as: * The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own * The copy is just for your personal use. It?s not a personal use ? in fact, it?s illegal ? to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.? So is it legal, or it just ?won?t usually raise concerns?? I?m not really sure, and I suspect neither are the users. And there lies the problem."


.....sooooo what the heck does the RIAA think of the libraries that buy music cds and let me borrow them for a week?.... where does that fall since the library is "LENDING" me the cd... are they responsible to make sure that i don't copy it... do they have a responsibility to let the music industry know that i borrowed it from them... IS the library a criminal for having the cd that i borrow???

GAWD.. this stuff just makes my head go round and remind me why i no longer buy any music unless it's a CD from a garage sale for a buck or less.

sheesh. Lets get rid of all the big companies, have all the recording groups get a myspace for music site, where you ONLY have music groups/singers/etc so people can go there and check out EVERYTHING that is available. have each group that gets on the music site pay x amount to be on the site each year and to pay for site upkeep and there ya go... maybe i could finally find the music from some obscure german rock bands and some europop stuff that i've been searching for forever for... and not have to pay a bloody import tax and shipping amount MORE that the bloody cd.
Identical files?
by billmosby January 3, 2008 5:45 AM PST
Are music files downloaded from iTunes, say, always different from
those on a CD version of the same music? Could RIAA mistake a
legally downloaded file for one allegedly ripped from a borrowed
CD?
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Metadata
by GreySkies01 January 3, 2008 6:52 AM PST
iTunes downloaded music has data imbeded in it. This data, or "Metadata" tags the song as where it is from, and in the non-drm version, your actual username. This was in another story a while back.

It is somewhat safe to say that the data (Other than the actual music) in downloaded or ripped songs are different. Also, most people that rip songs from CDs for their own use rip them at a greater bit rate than they would if they planned on uploading them since this affects file size and quality of the music file.
Am I a thief?
by kbellve January 3, 2008 6:53 AM PST
According to the RIAA, if I copy my CD music to a shared folder, then I am a thief?

What happens if I copy that music to a shared folder that is only intended to be used on my local home network, behind a NAT? What happens if I want my Playstation 3 to play music in my living room from my shared folder on a computer in my den? I am a thief for that?

It is stupid to think by just placing music in a shared folder that you are breaking the law. The RIAA needs to actually show copying to another party!!!

CNet is letting the RIAA get off easy by letting them call that a violation when no illegal copying has actually been proven.
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RE: Am I a thief?
by protagonistic January 3, 2008 9:15 AM PST
In the eyes of the RIAA there are only two types of people. Thieves
and future thieves. :-)
Indeed,CNET, you are wrong
by karmapoints January 3, 2008 7:28 AM PST
In fact, up here in Canada, a judge threw RIAA out of court when they tried to export your wretched DMCA. Media in shared folders is not a default copyright infringement.
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Slippery Slope
by frwytcat January 3, 2008 7:35 AM PST
There is a MAJOR distinction to be made between placing a file in a directory or folder called "shared (anything)" and actually making a file available to distribution to others. If that distinction is made somewhere in the disputed legal brief I don't see it.

The RIAA & MPAA are groups that a determined to erase the "fair use" doctrine so any statements and especially legal briefs must be viewed in this light. If these two groups cannot get their way using the legislative process they will attempt it through case law.
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This is funny...
by Heebee Jeebies January 3, 2008 8:21 AM PST
Had the RIAA been a better neighbor to its customers so many more customers would have jumped to their defense in this. The problem is the things that the RIAA have done have left so many honest customers so sour that of course when something like this happens most of us just assume that it is true. We figure if they are willing to do the other poor choice things they have done that greed would once again win out and they would try this next.

Personally at best this has just given the RIAA a new idea and I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of crap wasn't next on their anti-customer and then whine because sales are dropping agenda. The RIAA and the MPAA are both big piles of poo!

Robert
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Who do you work for?
by tbandtg January 3, 2008 8:27 AM PST
You think that their is a factual basis for the washington post to withdrawl its statements. Because the briefs as a small caveat to the quoted statement. I read the washington post article and he clearly quotes verbatum a RIAA lawyer in saying that people are stealing one copy. Fundamentally the story is true. Your quick fire critisims make me wonder who is signing your paychecks. You want to change the topic and make it about alleged reporting.

If content providers would just learn that the old way of doing business no longer holds true we would be in a much more innovative society. I am sorry that they can no longer get away with charging exhuberant prices for media and content.
The RIAA and the MPAA have long tried to prosecute law abiding customers. And it is time for the federal court system to put them in there place.
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Journalistic Integrity
by suyts January 3, 2008 10:44 AM PST
is the issue here. Yes, if one reads the Washington Post, it does quote verbatim. The problem is, the writer made it up!!!! The words that the writer quoted as being in the brief are not there!!! In other words he lied. The story isn't about how evil the RIAA is,(yes it is evil)rather, the story is about journalism. Sadly, too often, the public is willing to give rags such as these a pass on the truth when the story reflects a sentiment many feel is correct. While it is probably time for the federal court system to "put them in 'their' place", my estimation is that we should with truth and integrity as opposed to adhering to the Washington Post's principles or lack thereof.
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Wash Post sucks
by theBike45 January 3, 2008 8:38 AM PST
We all know that the Wash Post is the unpaid political propaganda machine for the Democratic party and has been for years. They also have a checkered past ,standing behind the writer who earned a Pultzer Prize by writing fictional stories presented as fact. They finally had to fire that fraud, mostly because the word got out.
They spent millions investigating Dick Nixon and hardly a penny looking into the multiple felonies committed by Clinton. They concentrated on trying to discredit the prosecutor involved instead, who later was completely exonerated in court of all of the lies that the Wash Post had been publishing about him.
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Right Wing Nut Bag Goes Off Topic
by dahnb January 3, 2008 9:03 AM PST
We could debate your right wing fantasies of media persecution for days. Anyone who compares Nixon's crimes with Clinton's sex life has a slippery grasp of what's important anyway.
The POINT here is the RIAA (known blood suckers) and whether the Wash Post should correct a story to pacify the greed-head musiclamo-fascists (to use right wing language you can understand). Correct the story and then write an in-depth story of everything the RIAA is doing to take away our rights.
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Wash Post Among Others
by ktmotox January 4, 2008 11:31 AM PST
"the Wash Post is the unpaid political propaganda machine for the Democratic party "

Um, I think there may be a dispute as to which company holds this title - WP, NYT, ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN. I would also dispute that they are unpaid.

:-) :-0
Bad Press
by sanjayb January 3, 2008 9:07 AM PST
Oh No! The RIAA has been wrongly accused! BOO HOO!! As far as I am concerned they brought this upon themselves. If they would stop suing their customers then they wouldn't be in this mess to begin with!
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Shared folders could mean no home sharing
by greblejh January 3, 2008 9:55 AM PST
I would still be quite upset with the RIAA as "Once (Howell) converted plaintiff's recording into the compressed MP3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiff." could preclude me from putting my music on a PC and then playing it on another PC in my house. I guess that is why the lawyers should be shot, they are not technical enough to define "shared folder".
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All media files on my home net are shared
by dahnb January 3, 2008 11:33 AM PST
I agree. I "share" all my media and documents folders on my home network. Just beacause something is in a "shared folder" doen't mean it is being uploaded. You could barely fill a thimble with the technical knowledge of the RIAA lawyer who came up with this piece of tormented logic: "Once (Howell) converted plaintiff's recording into the compressed MP3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiff."
Maybe a shared folder labelled "limewire uploads special lawbreaking shared folder" and even then they would have to prove that any uploading took place.
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Not illegal to share with yourself
by iBuzz January 3, 2008 11:20 PM PST
It is illegal to place files in a shared folder that is accessible by
other people. Note that I said "people" and not computers. If you
put MP3s on a media server or shared folder within your home
network, and those shared files are accessible through devices that
only you have access to, you are not breaking the law. It ultimately
comes down to the question of if another person can access your
MP3s. Now, if your wife accesses them... hmmm.... I'd like to see
what the RIAA has to say about that!
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Shakespeare...
by Jkirk3279 January 7, 2008 1:53 AM PST
"I guess that is why the lawyers should be shot"

Shakespeare recommended hanging for lawyers, and I have to respect
the classics.

Although that's right after his admonition to "kill all the liars", so you
wouldn't actually need much rope, if you're only hanging the HONEST
lawyers.

Thirteen feet of rope should about do.
P2P Do they realy know how it all works
by divyaboy January 3, 2008 10:06 AM PST
All I here Is uploads, No One uploads anything, They make files available and it dose not have to be in a share folder BTW ( that can be disabled ) If I read this right it becomes illegal when it is put into a share folder, Does the folder? Have to be called shared, In years to come they will eventually see how it all plays out in the grand scheme of the internet, Just look at the business that Mpeg layer 3 created
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the answer is already crystal clear: they don't (nt)
by jmelnik January 7, 2008 12:40 PM PST
nt
the brief is unclear
by huttarl January 3, 2008 10:49 AM PST
True, the brief doesn't explicitly say "ripping mp3's is illegal", but it does make it sound that way, more than once. E.g., 'C. Defendant possessed unauthorized copies of Plaintiff?s copyrighted sound recordings on his computer and actually disseminated such unauthorized copies over the KaZaA peer-to-peer network.'
That sure sounds like merely having copies on his computer is an offense, apart from disseminating them over Kazaa.
More of the same: 'It is undisputed that Defendant possessed unauthorized copies of Plaintiffs? copyrighted sound recordings on his computer. Exhibit B to Plaintiffs? Complaint is a series of screen shots showing the sound recording and other files found in the KaZaA shared folder on Defendant?s computer on January 30, 2006. (SOF, Doc. No. 31, at ¶¶ 4-6); Exhibit 12 to SOF at ¶¶ 13, 17-18.) Virtually all of the sound recordings on Exhibit B are in the ?.mp3? format. (Exhibit 10 to SOF, showing virtually all audio files with the ?.mp3? extension.) Defendant admitted that he converted these sound recordings from their original format to the .mp3 format for his and his wife?s use. (Howell Dep. 107:24 to 110:2; 114:1 to 116:16). The .mp3 format is a ?compressed format [that] allows for rapid transmission of digital audio files from one computer to another by electronic mail or any other file transfer protocol.?'
That makes it sound like the fact that the files were in mp3 format is somehow evidence of wrongdoing! (It also sounds like the attorney doesn't know much about mp3 ... it's used as much for personal storage as for sharing.)

So yes, the Post may have overstated things (backed up by the NY lawyer they quoted), but CNET is overstating the Post's "goof". The Post columnist should stop using distraction tactics and admit that the issue isn't as cut-and-dried, end-of-the-world as he made it out to be in his column.
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intentionally vague
by rblokolud1 January 3, 2008 10:56 AM PST
I would argue that the RIAA are not technical morons, and that they know exactly what they are saying when they say 'shared' folder, and understand that it could encompasses home network sharing. They are being intentionally vague with their assertions. And oh, by the way, has anyone taken note that by default a windows 2k, xp, vista computer has admin shares for all drives accessible via \\computername\c$...d$...e$
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If others can hear the music I am playing - it is sharing
by Dolphie1 January 3, 2008 11:08 AM PST
First: My biggest question is - why don't people just boycott music? Spread the news and just refuse to purchase music of any kind. No concerts, no CDs, no downloads. If everyone pulls together and says: We have had enough!
Maybe the artists and RIAA will wake up and comprehend that the people they are attacking are the very people who are putting food on their tables.

Another observation: If I have visitors and I am playing music in my home - I am sharing the music. RIAA apparently does not understand that music is a social experience for many. I guess they want to cut off their noses to spite their face. Or maybe I best be quiet as they will come after me and listen outside my doors to make sure I am not playing music so my visitors can here music they did not purchase - only I purchased it.
Re: Shared folders. The item 'Shared folders' does not automatically imply P2P shared folders. Windows has shared folders, other applications use shared folders.
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By all means, turn it down...
by billmosby January 3, 2008 11:54 AM PST
So if I can hear a fellow passenger's tunes through his ear buds, I
can complain to the RIAA instead of to him or to a flight attendant!
Cool!
Thats not quite true
by rapier1 January 3, 2008 2:27 PM PST
If you play music for others in a private social event, such as in
your own home, you aren't violating copyright. Jukeboxes
(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?
navby=search&case=/data2/circs/7th/934074.html) and
playing music in stores
(http://news.bookweb.org/features/3403.html) does require a
licensing fee to be paid though. Its all kind of screwed up to be
honest but the situation you outlined doesn't run afoul of any
copyright laws.
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Marc Fisher vs RIAA / David vs Goliath
by 0isin January 3, 2008 11:10 AM PST
I find it incredible that a person using facts to prescribe an opinion is attacked in such a way. The RIAA or their members have spread malware with their CDs under the guise of "Digital Rights Management".. a euphemism for virus.

Marc Fisher is brave to go alone because this cancer is systemic within the IT industry. The same could be said for the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical industry etc.

Most modern professional software includes spyware which will connect to the Internet and a company server over a dozen times the moment you load it. It is clearly written in law that you can't just wire tap a citizen without approval from a public authority.. but for some reason people just accept it. Perhaps because the tech sector terminology is so abstracted so big-Industry can get away with anything.

Like the old saying: "DDT is good for me!!!"

If people aren't aware of the dangers, then they don't know to look for them. The hegemonic policies of these industries is incredible to behold, and I say it again; Marc Fisher is very brave to go alone against the Goliath.
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Copyright Law
by edfred6 January 3, 2008 12:49 PM PST
The RIAA does not write copyright law, congress does. According to the copyright act you can make copies of cds, but not with an audiovisual device, which a computer is. So according to Title 17 of the US code, the copyright act, making copies of a cd on your computer is infringement. Nobody has been sued for making copies for personal use, but if the RIAA wanted to they could. If they do sue people for this we will be in a lot of trouble, because most people make copies of thier music on their computer and an MP3 player, which in most cases is also an auiovisual device.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
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Copyright Law
by drpeterson January 5, 2008 4:39 PM PST
edfred6,
I am looking at the copyright law [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
] and I am not able to find anything refering too; "According to the copyright act you can make copies of cds, but not with an audiovisual device, which a computer is. So according to Title 17 of the US code, the copyright act, making copies of a cd on your computer is infringement."
Can anyone accual provide a proper reference to such verbage?
RIAA - R.eally I.diotic A.ntics A.uthority ?
by fred dunn January 3, 2008 3:36 PM PST
They are way over the edge and despite the reporter's innacuracies the tone of the story was spot on.

I have bought some music online but have had problems with the DRM after updating some hardware and got it fixed. I still buy DVD's and occasionally a CD. I like having the physical media but I don't like what the associations behind those media are doing in the name of their intellectual property, but as they have demonstrated for some years...they just don't care.
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The point of the story
by suyts January 3, 2008 4:24 PM PST
was journalistic integrity. And I for one thank Cnet for printing the story. Whether the TONE was accurate or not isn't the issue. The story wasn't even about how evil the RIAA is. How many times do people, even in this forum, spew bs as FACTS because it is printed somewhere. This wasn't an op-ed piece. It was presented as fact. Many people already understand that the Post distorts reality on a whim, but the people in the tech world need to understand that many of their "NEWS" sources are just blatant lies written because it falls in line with what they believe.
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Marc Fisher may have errored
by Phredb14 January 3, 2008 5:32 PM PST
Marc may have had an error or two, but the gist of the story is true. When Sherman was ask is copying songs from a cd to your computer was legal, he would not say yes. This is a simple yes or no question. The lack of a "yes" for an answer means "no".

His answer was copyright law was complex and had to be decided on a case by case basis. This would be totally unacceptable. It seems that if 5 people do it, one or all may be prosecuted. He says no one has been prosecuted for this, it is generally acceptable. No one had been prosecuted for file sharing until the first one.

A year long boycott, no music downloaded at any price, or cd ?s or other media purchased for any price could correct this. But this boycott would require a 90 to 95 percent participation. This would be near impossible for even 6 months, or for that matter, 6 seconds. But if it were, RIAA lobbyists could convince Congress to write some clear copyright laws. And they probably would make sure the law would be acceptable to most people
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And you sir as well
by nuckelhedd January 3, 2008 6:10 PM PST
The word you were looking for is erred, so it would appear that you sir are in error.
It's not clear enough?
by pablo Dante January 3, 2008 10:58 PM PST
To the Judge's question "Does the record in this case show that Defendant Howell possessed an “unlawful copy” of the Plaintiff’s copyrighted material" lawyers answered (with other words) "Yes"
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