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Now up for grabs: Federal funding for your digital-TV upgrade

by Anne Broache

If you want Uncle Sam's help in bankrolling your household's switch to digital television before analog channels go dark next year, you can start filing your requests now.

As promised, the U.S. government on January 1 began accepting applications from American households for $40 coupons to defray the cost of a basic digital-to-analog converter box.

The gadgets, which are expected to cost between $50 and $70, are supposed to enable analog TVs to continue functioning when analog channels are evacuated on February 17, 2009, per Congress' orders. (About a dozen models have been cleared for use with the coupons so far.)

It doesn't matter how much money you make or how many digital TVs you already own. Every American household will be eligible to receive up to two of the coupons during a first phase, in which 22.5 million coupons are expected to be available. If that first wave is exhausted, Congress could authorize an additional $450 million, creating up to 11,250,000 more vouchers. That crop would be limited to households that certify that they rely on over-the-air TV.

To sign up for a coupon or two, you can head to DTV2009.gov or dial 888-DTV-2009 (888-388-2009). You can also apply by mail or fax. The government says it plans to accept applications until March 31, 2009, or until the coupons run out, whichever comes sooner.

As of Wednesday morning, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration had received 277,457 applications for 528,354 coupons, totaling more than $21 million, according to spokesman Todd Sedmak.

The agency plans to begin mailing the coupons on February 17. By that time, more than 14,000 stores nationwide, including those of eight major retailers--Best Buy, Circuit City, Kmart, RadioShack, Sam's Club, Sears, Target, Wal-Mart--expect to begin stocking the converter boxes, Sedmak said. Update 3:55 p.m. PST:The vouchers are programmed to expire 90 days after their issuance.

The NTIA, which is running the coupon program, has said it's confident that the vouchers will not run out, as it has estimated the demand at 10 million to 26 million coupons. Some Democrats in Congress, however, have called for making more coupons available, arguing that some 70 million television sets are expected to need converter boxes to continue functioning.

Most American TV watchers are not expected to need new equipment.

If you already have a TV, DVD player or other peripheral device equipped with a digital tuner, you're good to go. (Nearly all new televisions purchased after March 2007, for instance, should include a built-in digital tuner, under federal regulations.) Subscribers of satellite, standard digital cable, and Internet Protocol television, or IPTV, services also aren't expected to have to make any changes. In a nutshell, only people who rely solely on free, over-the-air broadcasts will need to make adjustments.

If you're still not sure whether you need an upgrade, the NTIA has posted a quiz designed to help you figure that out. And for more information about the switch, check out our most recent FAQ.

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NOT SO FAST!
by wiley14 January 2, 2008 9:29 AM PST
Read the terms and conditions CAREFULLY. The coupons are only good for 90 days and only on select converters. None of the major retailers are selling the approved converters yet. So it's best to hold off until they are in stock, otherwise you're going to waste your coupon!
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Coupons Not Issued Right Away
by john55440 January 2, 2008 9:46 AM PST
The Coupon confirmation notice states:

"TV converter boxes are not expected to be available in retail stores until late February or early March. You will receive your Coupon(s) then. The Coupon will expire within 90 days from the date it is issued."
Fix health insurance, not TV watching
by windinthedust January 4, 2008 7:02 AM PST
Why would taxpayers want their money taken away to be given
out for nonproductive activities? How does this produce a return
for the economy?

Don't we have old bridges and roads that need fixing?

Me thinks, every unemployed person getting the coupon should
have to perform 2 hours of community service to qualify.

How about just a pure tax rebate instead of a gimmick? Or
simply allow the gizmo to be a tax deduction as a separate line
item?

I wonder how much money we're spending as overhead for this
program? Next time the government wants to raise taxes,
remember these programs and blame yourselves for taking part.

To this day, the government could fix health insurance for small
businesses and uninsured families by two very simple acts:

(1). Allow ALL medical costs to count as a business tax
deduction for small businesses whether or not the business
chooses to have insurance for their family.

(2). Allow ALL medical costs to count as a tax deduction for all
families as a separate line item in addition to the standard
deduction. At the very least, allow medical costs to be itemized
deductions without requiring insurance.

Right now, only insurance premiums are tax deductible... but
actual medical costs are not deductible.... ever wonder why?
Coupons expire 90 days after issued
by john55440 January 2, 2008 9:36 AM PST
I was surprised to learn that the coupons expire 90 days after they are issued.
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Not to worry
by ibeetle January 2, 2008 9:47 AM PST
The DTV website states that the coupons will not even be issued
until mid-Feburary
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Yes, & that should send up a caution flag to
by btljooz January 4, 2008 1:09 PM PST
EVERYONE!!!

The 'gov' MANDATES digital TV but yet their "coupons" [u]expire[/u]!!! I don't think they should have an [i]expiration date[/i] [b][u]at all[/u]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]
I was planning...
by john55440 January 2, 2008 9:59 AM PST
I was planning on waiting until about January 2009 to buy a converter box. I guess that plan is dead.(grin)
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one at a time
by buzzinblair January 11, 2008 7:29 PM PST
I registered for my first coupon on January 1st. That way I can choose one of the first units out to see how it performs. Later on, when the second phase of the coupon program starts (for households that only receive TV over the air) I will get the second box based on the reviews. Perhaps the second unit will be one that hooks up to a "smart antenna" that adjusts automatically for the station that is being viewed.
How soon?
by ejevo January 2, 2008 10:11 AM PST
How soon before these coupons show up on eBay being offered for $5-$20 a piece? What a boondoggle. Better than my money going to Iraq, I guess...
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That's probably not going to be the problem
by aka_tripleB January 2, 2008 12:28 PM PST
Seems how each address can only get two coupons, it wouldn't really be too much to affect supply. The real problem would be if people go out and buy all the boxes, and sell those on ebay.
Only people who rely solely on free ...
by Pixelslave January 2, 2008 10:28 AM PST
>> In a nutshell, only people who rely solely on free, over-the-air broadcasts will need to make adjustments.
Please! The author seems to think that the people who rely solely on free broadcasts are the "minority", but in fact, the other way around is true.
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says you
by sanenazok January 2, 2008 7:31 PM PST
I'm glad apparently you and a circle of your acquaintances use OTA. So do I, in fact. But if you're going to say that something is false, you should have some proof, like a study showing what you claim. You got something that shows a majority of TV viewers rely on OTA somewhere?

Just look at FCC reports, found on their WEBSITE (you know something called research???)

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/csrptpg.html

Roughly quoting from the 2005 report:
As of June 2005, there were 109.6 million TV households. Of that number, approximately 94.2 million TV households subscribe to cable/satellite/etc (MVPD service)...There are 15.36 million U.S. TV households that do not subscribe to an MVPD service and
thus rely solely on over-the-air broadcast television for their video programming,
representing 14 percent of all U.S. TV households.

This took all of five minutes, and I didn't have to use wikicrapedia.
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***___WRONG!!!!!___***
by btljooz January 4, 2008 12:52 PM PST
I just got off the phone...yes, I called that 888 number... and they told me that even though I have [u]Cable[/u] TV Service, I [b]STILL[/b] need the converter boxes for my [u]ANALOG[/u] TV sets.

Therefore, if you have an [u]analog[/u] TV set it needs a converter box no matter the [i]conveyance[/i] of the [b]signal[/b]...rabbit ears, satellite or cable.
Majority over the error?
by VelvetJonesLives January 2, 2008 2:21 PM PST
What makes you think the majority of households rely totaly on over the air broadcasts? This news would certainly come as a shock to the NAB, FCC, and the nations cable companies. The one incorrect piece of info in this blog is that you'll be required to have digital cable. Unless the FCC mandates it before the switchover, cable companies will be able to downres the digital OTA feeds to analog cable.
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Where can you get the converter boxes?
by daliere January 2, 2008 4:56 PM PST
I can't find a store or an internet vendor that is offering the converter boxes up for sale. What good is a coupon discount for a converter box if no one will sell you one?
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uuuugggghhhh
by sanenazok January 2, 2008 7:35 PM PST
the website seeeeeezzzz that the boxes aren't on the market yet, and should be available in Q2 of this year. I can't wait to get one of my boxes and hook up my 19" B&W Sony. It already has an extremely clear picture, now it'll be HD!
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What about an antenna?
by skooterfd January 2, 2008 9:03 PM PST
So you will need a converter box, but will your old antenna work or will you need to buy one that can recieve the all digital signal that the box will be converting?
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Will you need to upgrade your antenna to receive DTV?
by Woodmon January 3, 2008 12:39 AM PST
Depends much on geography and topography. For some an existing VHF/UHF antenna will work. But many "on the fringe" will need to acquire an antenna with higher sensitivity and/or install an antenna outside. Yet some will be plain out of luck.

For related info see my comments to the cnet article at
http://www.news.com/Broadcasters-get-leeway-on-digital-TV-switch/2100-1041_3-6224251.html

Much antenna info at http://www.antennaweb.org/

And read this article: http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/ReceptionOnTheFringe.html
(see the hdtvexpert.com website left side column for much related info)

Note: The FCC FAQ does not inform very well on the potential antenna reception issues related to digital TV.
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
Hype
by sanenazok January 3, 2008 7:13 AM PST
DTV uses UHF/VHF frequencies, just different channels. So NO you don't "need" a new antenna. The new "DTV" antennae that are coming on the market right now are nothing but standard antennae with a new box. If you find that your current antenna doesn't work, replacing it with a "DTV" or "HDTV" one with similar characteristics isn't going to make much difference.
No need for a new antenna
by Mikebiker January 3, 2008 8:19 AM PST
The antenna does not need changed. The antenna collects the carrier wave, which has not changed. It is just how the data has been encoded on the carrier that has changed.

The so-called 'digital' antennas are just UHF antennas.
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Re: What about an antenna?
by Symbios January 3, 2008 8:20 PM PST
Your existing antenna should work just fine, assuming it's currently receiving most analog stations fairly well. Remember folks, there is no such thing as a "digital antenna", it's merely a marketing trick. Don't fall for it. You can get HDTV signals over a coat-hanger if you needed to...
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this box is bs
by truewinner January 5, 2008 7:11 PM PST
Sounds like someone is going to get rich or richer from these boxes. They are probably made in china and only cost $5.00 a box. This country is on its way to destruction.
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ripoff of the very poor
by hype-proof January 12, 2008 4:54 AM PST
They're free! Free!! but not to the people who need them! While coupons are going out to swappers and spenders who have a house or apartment, cable and a couple of digital sets, the room renters, the garage dwellers, the transients who have a cheap 5" b/w are INELIGIBLE for this program!! They don't have a seperate mail address. The landlord gets the coupons, they don't. Share? Hah! They don't even allow their tenants to receive mail, because it might trigger a zoning investigation! Here in Los Angeles there are hundreds of thousands who fall in this category. These people cannot afford a new digital tv. Many are techno-ignorant. They will have to pay full price for the converters, and in many cases will be talked out of their working tv set--which will be married to a converter and sold to some other sucker for a couple of hundred bucks. Leave it to bureaucrats to exploit the vulnerable!
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Yes it is AND...........
by btljooz January 12, 2008 11:42 AM PST
it's also a [b]LOT[/b] [i]easier[/i][for 'gov'] to [b][u]CONTROL[/u][/b] an ignorant, or just plain deliberately stupid, population than it is to control an educated one.

First control what can be [u]shown[/u] on TV, then take it away altogether = [b]Dumbing down the population[/b].

Then control what can be seen on the net. Think China. ;)

Read this:

> [b]A Privacy Group Paints Much of the World in Black[/b] <

http://www.freepress.net/news/29310

...be [u]sure[/u] to click the link at the bottom of the article to view the map. ;)

The next article is a "tell" as to one of the plethora of reasons the 'gov' wants control:

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9849169-7.html?tag=nefd.only

BTW: This turns up some [i]interesting[/i] information:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_en___US205&q=Shadow+Government

Yeh, I know, you'll most likely have to copy and paste those links to get to them. CNazis' included in censorship of information.
dtv converter joke
by jmygrant February 13, 2008 11:40 AM PST
NEED CONVERTER BOX HELP

The converter program is a jumbled mess. I have over-the-air (outdoor antenna) reception only. I get better service this way than from the
cable company. But now I am in a real jam.

I ordered the government coupons to be used for purchasing a converter. The period for ordering coupons is half over and there is a 90 day window to
use the coupons to purchase a converter---clock on that starts when Uncle Sammie drops the coupons in the Snail Mail.

I checked the DTV website for the coupon program, clicked on FIND A RETAILER and entered my address with the MAX 50 mile radius selected. Guess how many
were on my list? ZERO, nada, none! So I called, complained and was told that the list of participants who surely were in my area included Wal Mart, Target,
Radio Shack, Best Buy and Sears. Checked all online and found RS and Best Buy had listings, but not the others. Called Target--not sure when they will start carrying
"a" converter; called K Mart which is trying to get involved but having trouble getting the OK. Best Buy made a public announcement that they will carry
only ONE model of converter and pricing it at 20 bucks above the coupon (i.e. $69). Radio shack similarly carries one model at $69. Though not on their
website, Wal Mart now has in stock ONE model (a Funai) at $49.99. Funai makes a lot of products including manufacturing for some major brands. (My actual
experience with their VCR was short lived. But then again a tuner has no moving parts....) The other brands carried so far are Magnavox and Zenith.

Uncle Sammies DTV website has a list of "government approved" converters---try and find them. And why shop on the internet if shipping will add a significant
percentage cost increase to this already gargantuan consumer ripoff?!

So, HELP. Is there a "government approved" converter that is MUST HAVE? And just how good are the models which local retailers have picked to push? (So far
that's Zenith, Magnavox and Funai)

Why am I so incensed and calling this a huge consumer ripoff? Let me count the devices I have accumulated: one, two, three, four---well, it's fourteen.
I have new and older TVs that all serve me well. MY "full size" TV has to fit the cabinet that graces our family room---27" diagonal max. A 17" Panasonic in
the basement (still works great---two lightning strikes and 33 years later), a new (but not yet digital) 14" in the bedroom, along with a 5"color TV/Radio,
three 5" BW TV/Radios, a 12" BW TV and two more 13" color sets. Then there are two VHS VCRs and one SuperBeta VCR (the Funai isn't counted--long since dead).
And then there is last year's very thoughtful Christmas present from my wife. She was sold the very best that the American Red Cross had to market---an Eton
AM/FM/Weather/(and here's the rub)TV band emergency radio. Yes the TV band often delivers timely emergency information but NOT AFTER FEB 2009!!!!!

Paying an extra 10 bucks over the Sammie coupon is a ripoff. At 20 bucks, even more. But I have three more TVs that I do not want to replace, but at $50-70 each
for converters for them, I may as well shop for a digital TV replacement---which means I am sacrificing better quality electronics that have been trashed in
this fiasco. Maybe we should all get a tax credit for government theft! (So why isn't this a "taking" of property?)

One last thing---even SDTV is really clear. About like watching DVDs on my tube TVs. Nice. Then there is the sound----if I can find it. The sound level on
the digital channels is way below what was on analog. The level differential between programming and commercials is scary. And last but very far from least
is the amateurish dubbing of the voices---has to be dubbed; not an actor or news anchor is actually speaking. Can you say MILLI VANILLI? Yep, on analog
the voices and the mouths match up, but switch to the digital signal (my 27" TV is digital) and the out-of-synch sound/picture is terribly annoying.

The digital age is not coming easily.....and any help on converters would be a great service to the consumed public. (No typo; we are not a consuming public
but rather one that is consumed by this government mandated change. Wait until those big LCD screens go green like the one at my local pub---a short lived
and expensive venture, whereas the tube TVs can run for 15 years or more. This is the secret government plan to boost consumer spending!!!!)
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