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November 2, 2007 10:40 AM PDT

Is Real ID plan on its deathbed?

by Anne Broache

The U.S. government's controversial plan to outfit all Americans with uniform electronic identification cards--officially known as Real ID--may be on its deathbed, opponents of the program charged this week.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has long said that starting as soon as May 2008, and definitely after May 2013, it will deny state citizens the right to board planes or enter federal buildings unless they show Real ID-compliant documents.

But on a recent conference call with state officials from across the country, Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Richard Barth gave the impression that the agency doesn't plan to punish states that have rejected the rules, according to Timothy Sparapani, senior legislative counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union, and Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap. Barth also reportedly said Homeland Security may push back the deadline until 2015.

"To me, this signals the real end of the Real ID Act because it prevents the government from having any leverage over the states," Sparapani said in a conference call his group organized with reporters Thursday afternoon.

Homeland Security, for its part, vehemently denied any softening of its policy.

"The ACLU is living in a fantasy world," spokeswoman Laura Keehner said. "They continue to spout off erroneous information to confuse and mislead the public about a core finding of the 9/11 Commission and a mandate from Congress. In this instance, they could not be further from the truth."

The ACLU has been one of the loudest voices attacking the regulations, which were passed as part of an emergency war-spending bill in 2005. They and other critics, including privacy advocates and conservative groups, argue that the federal mandate is overly expensive, potentially invasive to privacy, and ineffective in meeting the government's stated goal, which is rooting out terrorists.

(Credit: Maine government)

Dunlap, a Democrat, and Missouri state legislator Jim Guest, a Republican, backed up the ACLU's gloom-and-doom assessment on Thursday's conference call, indicating that they believe Real ID was ill-fated all along. Both of their states are among the 17 states that have now passed laws or resolutions opposing Real ID or outright rejecting its implementation.

"They were asked point-blank, 'What will happen to states that don't participate?'" Dunlap said of his conversation with Homeland Security officials. "The response was, 'Nothing will happen. There will be no penalty. You can still get on a plane.'"

'A practical consequence'
Homeland Security's Keehner declined to comment directly on the conversations referenced by the ACLU and Dunlap, but she disputed their interpretations.

"There will be a practical consequence for residents of states whose leadership chooses the status quo and accepts noncompliant licenses," she said. "For example, they will not (be) able to fly on an aircraft or enter a federal building with a noncompliant license."

One possible way of interpreting Barth's alleged remarks to the state officials is this: Real ID-compliant drivers licenses, per se, won't be the only acceptable form of documentation for those activities when the rules take effect. A U.S. Department of State-issued passport, for instance, or forthcoming border-crossing passport cards are among the list of documents that will suffice, as Homeland Security officials have said before. But it's not clear that was the context for the statements related by the ACLU and the state officials.

Meanwhile, Homeland Security continues to defend the Real ID regime as necessary to improve the authenticity and security of identification documents. Their stated goals are to keep rogue individuals sporting fake credentials from doing harm to Americans and to protect Americans from identity theft.

But opponents of Real ID still predict that the mandate won't hold up as-is, particularly as more states move toward enacting anti-Real ID laws. (Not all states are taking that path, however--New York Governor Eliot Spitzer said earlier this week that his state would be working with Homeland Security to come up with a Real ID-compliant "enhanced driver's license," though details remain murky.)

They also point to the fact that Homeland Security still hasn't issued final rules for the program and to recent steps taken by Congress, including rejection this summer of an extra $300 million in federal grants to help states carry out the plan. Homeland Security didn't respond to questions Friday about when the final rules are expected to be ready.

"It has certainly created a hardship on lots of people," Missouri's Guest said of the requirements.

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Can't enter a federal building, Unconstitutional.
by RonPaulRules November 2, 2007 11:37 AM PDT
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If I can't enter a federal building to talk to my senator or congressman then this is unconstitutional. I have the right to redress grievances.
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bah!
by Dalkorian November 2, 2007 1:00 PM PDT
The current regime cares not for that 230 year old piece of toilet
paper and is working hard to create laws that state it's
fundamentally illegal and spits in the face of God.

Just fall in line behind Bushitler and remember to extend your
arm in salute like the sheeple you really are.

Non-sarcastic note: You'll find one of these illegal and
unconstitutional identity stealing devices in my possession when
you put it in my cold dead hands.
Good point.
by Renegade Knight November 2, 2007 2:06 PM PDT
But since you would be able to obtain the ID you would be required to obtian one before you could protest having to have one to protest.
RE: Is Real ID plan on its deathbed?
by protagonistic November 2, 2007 12:51 PM PDT
Does that mean that if I refuse to get a Real ID card they can't
compel me to testify in a Federal court? :-)
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RE: RE: Is Real ID plan on its deathbed?
by royc November 2, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
Does that mean that if I refuse to get a Real ID card they can't compel me to testify in a Federal court?

Of course. Isn't that what they want?

Try, convict and sentence you while you are sitting in jail. That would do away with the backlog in the courts also. 5 min. for the judge to read the charges before he says "GUILTY AS CHARGED." 1 MIN. more and he says "50 years for failure to get a REAL ID CARD."
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Federal ID
by Renegade Knight November 2, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
If the Feds want a Real ID the Feds should implement it themselves. If the Feds can't do something without the help of the states, then they should consider not doing it at all.
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Close, but not exactly right...
by Mystiks2 November 2, 2007 2:59 PM PDT
Bottom Line: They want a new ID that they can control, but they
don't want to pay for it.

The real problem here is the ability to "add" useless amendments to
"needed" bills to force them to be passed, like Real ID. This should
be something we need to stop.
Yet another liberty infringement Ron Paul will stop
by MyRightEye November 2, 2007 11:19 PM PDT
There's really little wonder why Ron Paul is gaining the following
that he is when crap like this is going on. He is the only one who
will stop the national ID card. if you don't know who Ron Paul is,
Google him.
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More power to him
by skrubol November 5, 2007 7:06 AM PST
I can't see him getting elected, and I don't really agree with all of his policy, but I think I'm going to vote for him anyway. Hopefully getting him into the top 3 or 4 candidates in the primary will send a strong message that the people still care about freedom.
Lifelong Democrat turned Republican to vote for Ron Paul...
by jimmyhoops November 5, 2007 10:49 AM PST
I've always voted for Democrats in the past but just recently
changed my party affiliation to vote for Ron Paul in the
primaries.

He is the ONLY candiate who will stand up for and DEFEND his
oath to uphold protect the Constitution of the United States.

Bush and most of his Neo Conservative buddies can go to hell,
there is only one man who can and will restore the
Constitutional rights for all citizens...that man is RON PAUL!!!

Vote for Ron Paul in your local primary or start writing the
speech for your grand kids on why YOU let the United States of
America get hi-jacked by the neo-cons and their globalist
agenda and suspension of the Constitution. YOUR children are
counting on YOU to do the right thing.

If you love freedom, then it is imparative that everyone vote for
Ron Paul in the primaries. He is our last chance for a FREE USA!
REAL ID
by califwater November 3, 2007 10:53 AM PDT
What they need to do is stop the infow of Immigrants Illegal or legal. We have became a country of so many different countries we do not have a real country any more. We are so mixed up that you need to take all 50 states and put a differnet country is each state and see how many states you have left in the end. Probably none and looking for more ways to put people somewhere. I say WAKE THE HELL UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE COFFEE SMELL THE ROSES.
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wow
by The_Decider November 3, 2007 11:02 AM PDT
Too bad we can't go back to 1790 when there were no immigrants.
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Fix the friggin date/time on this friggin article.
by mitruxx November 6, 2007 9:25 AM PST
It's been on the top of my RSS reader for days. What is wrong with
fixing the date/time on the RSS Feed? ***.
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Today's Date NOT DOB!!!
by jimmyhoops November 6, 2007 11:53 AM PST
Although this article presents important topics which should be on
everyone's mind-state sovereignty, privacy issues, preventing "big-
brother federal government. The author should realize that when
the article is asking for a date, it is asking for todays date, not the
date of birth of the author.
Seriously, right? What a jackass.
by mitruxx November 6, 2007 1:54 PM PST
fix the date fix the date fix the date!
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think this post will be here until 2061?
by jimmyhoops November 16, 2007 10:32 AM PST
Guess Cnet isn't tech savvy enough to change the date or delete
the post. Way to go Cnet! Teach your authors how to fill out the
blog spot BEFORE they go posting on the web.
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