Allow more green cards for foreign techies, Congress told
Editor's note: This story was updated at 10:53 a.m. PDT to clarify a description of IEEE-USA.
High-tech companies and groups representing American engineers are famous for clashing over whether it's a good idea to allow U.S. companies to hire more foreign workers on temporary H-1B visas.
But what's sometimes forgotten in the debate is a key point of agreement among at least some representatives of the warring sides. A new joint letter (click for PDF) to Congress from the Semiconductor Industry Association and IEEE-USA, the U.S. branch of the world's largest professional society of electronics engineers, seeks to remind politicos of that common ground, which is this: we need more green cards.
A massive immigration bill may have fallen flat over unrelated points of contention earlier this year, but the groups' leaders suggested Congress still has time to salvage green-card changes. Their wishlist goes something like this:
* Raise the cap for employer-sponsored green cards.
* Exempt from that quota are any foreigners who receive advanced degrees in math, science, engineering and technology fields from U.S. universities.
* Create a new foreign student visa category that allows foreigners who hold bachelor's or higher degrees in those fields and have a job offer in hand to go directly from a student visa to a green card.
* Oh, and while you're at it, exempt spouses and children of those green-card holders from the cap, too.
(The position isn't exactly new: SIA President George Scalise has long advocated issuing green cards to gifted students, and IEEE-USA has argued expanding the permanent immigration program is a more sustainable way of retaining a robust high-tech work force than the temporary H-1B technique.)
Right now, 51 percent of master's and 71 percent of Ph.D. graduates in electrical and electronic engineering from U.S. universities are foreign nationals, but the average green card applicant has to wait 5 to 10 years to gain permanent residency status, the letter argued. In the view of SIA and IEEE-USA, that's too long to wait if American companies want to remain globally competitive in science and tech fields, so foreign graduates in those realms should get special treatment.
Green cards offer more privileges--including the right to change jobs and become a naturalized U.S. citizen--than the "non-immigrant" H-1B visa, which can be renewed for up to six years but, as critics charge, makes visa holders "indentured servants" to the employers who hire them. The IEEE-USA has argued in the past that because of those key differences, green cards are less prone to abuse.
That view, however, is not universally shared. The Programmers Guild, a group that represents American computer programmers and has been especially hostile to H-1B increases, argues the changes sought by IEEE-USA, SIA and their ilk would be a green light for firms to hire foreigners instead of qualified Americans.
The proposal to create a new visa category to fast-track students into permanent resident status is also troublesome, said Kim Berry, the group's president. "These proposals would crowd American students out of U.S. universities as even getting (a) B.S. degree would be a virtual guaranteed path to U.S. citizenship," he said in an e-mail interview.
Check Out:
http://programmersguild.blogspot.com/
And learn a little.
Be sure to watch the video on how to not hire American Citizens, put out by a corporate lawyer group. You'll soon realize that U.S. citizens are not allowed to compete equally for jobs in the United States.
There is no Software Engineer shortage.
Microsoft and Google reject 99% of the human capital that applies. They reject enough people, each week, with the skills, experience, and strength to meet all their hiring needs for a year.
Last month at my company, in the Silicon Valley, we had over 20 qualified candidates apply for one open software engineering position.
Green Cards are being used to replace the bottom tier of workers, several of our QA engineers now have green cards. It is ridiculous, as anyone could do their job, these QA jobs require only user-level skills.
Allowing more Green Cards, without stopping the massive-open-discrimination practiced by Google, Microsoft, Oracle, and other companies, against U.S. citizens, is a recipe for sub-classing the U.S. citizen.
IEEE-USA actually operates against the long-term interests of US engineers by opposing more H1s. Such opposition will result in the US losing its competitive edge in high-tech, and therefore harm US engineers.
To stay on top, the US needs more people on H1 AND more Greencards for engineers.
workers when they floated this proposal several years ago. They
are correctly concerned that the guest-work visas allow the tiny
percentage of them who apply for green cards to be abused
while they await approval. But increasing the numbers of
immigrants after decades of excessive immigration is just plain
wrong.
It would be far better to reduce F, H, J, and L visas to more
reasonable numbers in the range of 1K to 2K, increase the fees
to market-clearing levels and to cover the costs of conscientious
background investigations, and put some teeth into
requirements for executives in both business and academe to
make a good-faith effort to recruit US citizens.
When there are green cards, H-1b workers no longer have to stick at one place (FREEDOM), they will certainly jump to the jobs/employers that pay higher (THEY ARE ALSO HUMAN AFTERALL, IT'S ALL ABOUT $$$). Common sense?
"The proposal to create a new visa category to fast-track students into permanent resident status is also troublesome, said Kim Berry, the group's president. "These proposals would crowd American students out of U.S. universities as even getting (a) B.S. degree would be a virtual guaranteed path to U.S. citizenship," he said in an e-mail interview."
Also if an employeer's low pay is 10 times higher than what the green card holder would normally receive as salary in their home country I don't see a lot of green card holders jumping around to higher paying jobs. They will be greatful they aren't starving. Instead this will lower the salary ceiling (since employers now have so many less expensive green card candidates to choose from) so that we all make less money and live in poverty with our green gard brethern.
It not as simple as you make it out to be...
Because the problem at the root of H1 Visa debate is that there are not enough Americans with the needed University degrees while there are in Europe, Eastern or Western and also in China, or India because all these countries offer their citizens Universal Education while US does not. So many US citizens cannot afford to go to college and get higher education because a simple Bachelors degree can cost from $50K to $100K.
Whereas same Bachelors degree will cost a European or Canadian citizens about $500, if even that.
And add to the above criminal level operation of US government the fact that American people do not EVEN get Universal Health care for their Taxes, which BTW is at the same level for people making less than $60K per year as what Canadians and Europeans pay, and you will see why the super rich, that is the VCs in Silicon Valley etc.
want more H1B Visas.
Now the question becomes how the US government, that is the super rich, got away, or are getting away with this sorry state of affairs?
That is Taxing the American people at the same level as Europeans while giving us NONE of the essential services that they get for their Taxes, that is Universal health care & education??? The answer is due to lies, lies, lies and more
lies of the main stream (Big) media. Keeping in mind that the main stream media is ABC, CNN, Fox, WSJ, Talk Radio, Google, Yahoo, etc. etc.
So what is the answer? Obviously the answer is that we the people need to wake up to the lies of the main stream media and demand such basic services for our Taxes as Universal health care & Education which would put an end to the need for H1B Visa and American people getting poorer all the time compared to those countries that do offer these basic services to their citizens. So we need to get our information/news from other sources than the Big media, that is why for search engine I recommend Anoox.com and for news I recommend Realnews.com Now if you dont want to user my recommendation for search engine and news that is fine, use any you want other than then main stream (Big) media sources which have lied, lied, and lied us to the current state of affairs.
Wake up people, wake up & ACT, to end the lies of the (Big) media, from unnecessary wars & occupations, i,e, Iraq, to lack of such basic services as Universal health care and Education, or watch yourself and children keep getting poorer compared to rest of the developed world, again CLEARLY EVIDENT by NOW as per the US Dollar
which has lost nearly 50% of its value against Euro, Canadian Dollars, etc.
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There're people who pay $50-100k to study Art/History/Music. $ is a non-issue. People go to colleges to study what they're interest in!
It's a joke. America is run by and for the 1% of this country who are ultra rich. They own everything they make all the laws (prescription laws, education laws) to benefit themselves and push people as far down into the gutter as they can. They call this "being competitive". When has Haliburton ever compete for anything? When did Bush earn anything? They think people who work for a living are suckers and scum.
In Iraq, one of the reasons they hate us is because Ari Fleisher's BROTHER , who was appointed to deal with Iraq's business redevelopment (because he earned that job, apparently) sits there and preaches to them about how they have to compete while all around them every contractor is sucking on this nation's *** under no bid contracts like it's never going to end. He tells them they have get jobs, meanwhile Haliburton and all the rest import MASSIVE amounts of labor from India and Vietnam and everywhere else on the globe to do common labor instead of giving jobs to Iraqis, who sit around and watch these imported "workers" STEAL THEIR JOBS.
Republicans are filth. They just represent the psychopaths amongst us. They'll destroy anything to get more of what they want, including your life, your family nations, this nation... whatever...Republicans needs to be absolutely driven from power once and for all and they need to be kept from power forever. That's just what this nation needs to do.
The reason we're so out of step with the rest of the world is because a tiny minority of coke snorting, amphetamine gulping globalist-visionaries, who , when they aren't screwing $1000 an hour prostitutes and partying with their buddies at Bohemian Grove and other places are busy planning the Final Corporate Takeover of the world, and that's no exaggeration.
They tax you, give the money to war contractors, who funnel the money right back into campaigns for themselves, then DARE to tell you that giving MONEY is a form of FREE SPEECH.
It's a joke. This country is a joke run by criminals like the Republicans who want to destroy us from the inside and replace the nation with one big corporate fascist regime.
Why should I care about corporations? You know what? No matter how hard we make it on them, they'll always keep trying to make a buck, so let's regulate them into submission and publicly fund campaigns. Pollute a lake? Plan on having your corporate veil pierced and your CEOs and boards paying everything they have and more to clean it up. Break their power on elections through publicly funding elections and throw the violators in jail, never to run or own a business again.
THe MSM is nothing but a corporate puppet with corporate America's hand shoved way up their *ss, making their mouths move. Hey- did you hear about Brittney and K-Fed????
It's a joke.
After I graduated, I applied for similar jobs as my classmates. Working against me was the immigration papwork and my need to generate an income. I, like everyone else, wanted to make the most money. However unlike everyone else, I accepted a low(er) salary because it was more than I would have made back home.
Making it easier to get a Green Card is not the answer. Reduce the restriction on the H1-B.
Let me find a job without the fees/paperwork my employer needs to file. Some of us have accepted a lower salary to offset the costs/risks/time our employers have to take before our first day.
Let me easily switch jobs without waiting months for the visa to transfer. Coupled with the paperwork and lawyer fees, we end up staying in a job we don't like. Let us move on and open the job position to others who need it more than I do. Let me have the flexibility to fail at a job or go unemployed without having to leave the country. We have to work harder/cheaper because we are not allowed to fail . Some of us took loans to study/live here whereas back home education is free. Some of us have our pride and family honor to maintain. If in six years I don't make something of myself, it's my fault and you can ask me to leave.
If I have family, let them come under my visa. A husband does not want to be away from their wife, a mother does not want to be away from their children. Many of us come here to find a better way of life for the family. Let me bring my family to remember why I left home.
If I do decide to stay don't evaluate me based on my birth country, the number of visas, or my job offer. Evaluate me on my six years of contributions. Have I paid my taxes like everyone else? Have I been a law-abiding citizen? Did I graduate from college? Does my work history and references prove I am worth keeping here? Have I performed like a US citizen in my situation?
I have more at stake than an American worker. I came for the American way of life. I have to work harder to earn what you have as a right. The more restrictions you put on me, the harder I have to work, the more dedicated I have to be.
Opponents of the H-1b program don't understand a bit of what you said.
You have a good education. Go home to your country. The salary is lower, but the cost of living is probably lower too.
Second, since there are so many foreigners in our colleges, perhaps we need to ask the question why this is so. Perhaps because the newly graduating have tens of thousands of dollars to pay off in student loans? Perhaps colleges like the "cash upfront" foreign students? It is beginning to appear colleges are acting like immigration lawyers hoping to make a buck on aiding foreign nationals access to the labor market.
After decades and trillions of dollars of trade deficit every year - isn't it time to question how good globalism is to the United States? Do the "anti-protectionist" arguments really apply in a globalized world? Are the countries these workers coming from have the same open borders we do?
So far we have become a colony to foreign powers dependent on them for finished goods from the shoes on our feet to the shirts on our back to the electronics we use to finally the cars we drive. Sure we have "low prices" - that vaulted argument but we also have low wages. The "well paid consumer" is disappearing from this country replaced by poverty.
Basically, from articles right here on cnet about foreign contractors walking off with Cisco System's source code and creating competing products, to training here to learn how to make counterfeit products -- or plain old competing with US company products - I am going to have a hard time crying for companies put out of business by the very people they brought over here.
If one wishes to live in a country where we are dependent on foreigners for the very underwear we wear, continue to bleed trillions of dollars out of the economy to the outside world, and eliminate Americans from the pool of innovators - well - we are doing a great job of doing so.
Eliminate job opportunities, fill the schools with foreign nationals, buy goods from non-american sources, be well on the way to the worlds largest debtor nation, and send hard earned american dollars over seas to foreign production facilities -- hey -- if you can find a bright future in that all the more power to you.
Personally, I think we are in for one hell of a change of status.
Second, foreign students can't get student loans, so they pay their fees out of their pockets.
Third, colleges get tuition up-front from Americans as well.
Forth, there are lots of Americans in the colleges. They are just choosing the "easy" programs. Engineering and Computer Science is hard stuff.
Fifth, globalization benefits the US, as it benefits everybody. Isolationism would result in lots and lots of unemployment in the US. The rest of the world has lots of innovators, and we should have them here, improving our economy. Hence, more H1s and more Greencards are imperative.
IEEE and IEEE-USA used to be fairly independent of each other but now they aren't. IEEE is now a globalized organization that works for the interests of international corporations. It's very important to understand that despite their rhetoric the IEEE caters to the needs of high-tech owners and management -- not practicing engineers.
Several years ago a shill named Paul Donnelly, who in the late 80's helped engineer the H-1B program, took the helms of IEEE-USA and turned their direction in support of unlimited instant green cards. It was a very clever jihad that was staged by the corporate stooges withing the international organization. Donnelly is gone but IEEE-USA remains undeterred in their quest to destroy American engineering as an organized profession. To find out more about this issue, and what it will mean if IEEE and SIA get their way on green cards, go here:
http://www.jobdestruction.info/ShameH1B/H1BvsGreenCard.htm
The bottom line is this -- the paying members of IEEE either approve of this behavior or they condone it by continuing to pay their membership dues. It's worth noting that IEEE memberships in the USA are way down, but that only spurs IEEE to get new members by importing foreign workers. It's a vicious cycle but they seem clueless about why their grass roots members are leaving.
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By the way, this so called "Programmers Guild" masquerades as a workers rights organization, but in reality it is nothing but an anti-immigrant organization. They want to abolish and severly curtail not just the H1B temporary worker program, but also Employment Based High Skills Immigration (Green Cards). If this is not anti-immigrant, I wonder what is.
If we want to stay ahead, we need to get more engineers from abroad.
masses longing to be free . . .
To
Give us your schooled, your exceptionally gifted, your educated
classes willing to be exploited?
(mind you, not that a few of the huddled masses weren't
exploited, but to be frank they really had it coming)
We must remember that America has never been a country of
immigrants but a country of Americans, that America was not
built by immigrants, but that America was bult by Americans,
that immigrants have not contributed to the culture, vitality or
well-being of America, but that only Americans have done these
things. Finally, if we only look to history and precendent we will
see clearly and unequivocally that the immigrant worker has only
had a negative affect on America's growth and prosperity. The
captains of industry knew this when they built the railroads,
built Hollywood and built the defense industry; governments
knew this when they gathered the greatest minds of science and
formed NASA; universities knew this when they secured faculty
for our best universities; and Major League Baseball understood
this when recruited the top players for America's national past
time: we became leaders in industry, education and culture
because of the surplus of Americans capable of leading in these
areas, not because of a single immigrant worker who tried to
steal an American job. Moreover, our future success depends
entirely on remembering our history and our precendents when
it comes to the role of the foreign hordes, he said with tongue
firmly planted in cheek.
I'm no engineer, but it looks like Ms. Liberty needs an upgrade
and a reboot. And the country needs an enema.
The other problem is that the sorry state of high school education has helped churn out lazy sods who just want to go the easy route and get a worthless business degree. They can't or don't want to make the real effort that it takes to get an Engineering or CS degree.
Meanwhile, there are more openings in America for tech jobs then there are QUALIFIED workers. How else are they going to fill the need? Americans have become too dumb and lazy to get a proper education.
Yes, there have been abuses on the part of American companies, but are those abuses any worse then the workers who abused the system in 1999?
It still doesn't change the fact that there is a severe tech worker shortage. What the US needs to do is offer tuition waivers for those that do well in these fields in college.
The fact of the matter is that if you have the proper degree AND are competent, you can easily find a good paying tech job in America. If you don't have a degree and/or aren't competent, then you have no right to whine.
dot com boom who had no business working in Tech and now
they can't get hired and rightfully so."
Agreed. That has little to do with this discussion, since it
happened after much of the displacement of US workers was
under way.
There was no shortage of science and tech talent in the USA, and
no evidence of one has been presented. There is no shortage of
science and tech talent in the USA, and no evidence of one has
been presented. There is no reasonably foreseeable shortage of
science or tech talent in the USA, and no evidence for one has
been presented.
Only the incompetent and lazy complain about the H1.
- High school grads; or college dropouts with < 3.0 GPA from unknown colleges not ranked in the top 100; or tech school grads with only a 2-week class on each particular subject
- Lack of relevant industry experience in reputatble corporations
- Bad tempered, stubborn, ego, ignorant, lazy, careless, lack of motivations, lack of team experience, lack of team leadership
- Think they are always worth at least 2x more than they are
- Think their employers and all the rich people work against/discriminate them
- Think their unfortunate is always caused by somebody else
- Think higher education is only an investment in a $ term
- Think they're much better off without any kind of competitions
Does it sound like you? If not, congratulations! You're definitely a bright professional who employers love to hire anytime and must be enjoying your job very much!
Let's see, do you think joelam888 might ...jussst might be a visa holder?
Do ya think?
See what the proponents have to offer? We have a smoking gun of conspiracy caught on video tape where lawyers teach employers how to reject qualified Americans, and they have- character assassination based on nothing.
I think that pretty well sums it up.
We have a GAO report
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6087367.html
and a smoking gun:
http://www.youtube.com/programmersguild
and the considered opinion of long time industry observers
and in depth analysis drawing on public record
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back301.html
http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1305.pdf
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/10/25/44OPreality_1.html
and on the opposing side, I give joeeeeeelam888 ! Hey everybody, a round of applause for the decisive arguments joelam888 brings to the issue !
See if you MAKE A LIST and NUMBER THE POINTS, that's the secret- the points have NUMBERS- then you can assert anything without a shred of evidence and it looks like DATA!
Hey, isn't that special?
At at the SAME time you're making sub-4th grade arguments FOR your side, and you PRESUME yourself qualified to dismiss the sound methodological studies from the GAO, you're also saying, guess what - he's SMARTER than all of us and he DESERVES his job!
Wow, now who do YOU want writing code for the computer systems that you depend on?
Ever read about data theft, identity theft, computer systems that don't work or are grossly late and over budget? What? Every week? Well you can thank your Indian outsourcing / H1B bodyshops for the VAST majority of these fiascoes, case in point: http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2006/07/can-bmv-problems-get-any-worse.html
See it's just like Iraq and Haliburton- the government gives a contract out, the contractor subcontracts it to a subcontractor who subs it out to someone else etc etc, each time another set of worthless H1B bodyshops take their little cut until finally it ends up in some 12.50 and hour programmers hands who could really give a damn about his work product. Yep , I can testify THAT THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT GETS DONE with your tax dollars. They destroy the market for talent, because - guess what! it's not a talent based market- it's a a sales-job / bill 'em 200 an hour for work done by programmers making 15 an the hour and pocket the difference. It's a "we've got connections to land this contract" market. It's a "we will lowball the competition and give kickbacks to you if you give us the contract market". THAT'S how IT is done. It's just like anything else- once you're close enough to the actual events, you see how things REALLY get done. I am sure Americans in other fields have similar stories.
Do Americans really think that their tax dollars go to the *best* contractor and that contractor is the best because he has more/better talent than the competition???
Well, the adults who know how the world works don't think that for a second. People in the early 20s who read a lot of Ayn Rand, well, they're another story.
You're scared? We see your fear, you're shaking. It's all because you know you don't make the cut.
I did not find a job at Google, Microsloth, or any of the other "big" IT companies. I was hired by a smaller IT firm (and no, I didn't have to explain my degree to them. Almost everyone in management has a Masters in IT or IS or Engineering).This company only hires US citizens (natural born or naturalized), as they were burned a few years ago by H-1b's that could not perform up to their requirements. So now they refuse to hire anyone on a visa.
Before you start saying how "racist" they are, you must remember that there is no law in the US that says any company MUST hire a visa worker. None. So, again, you have no right to demand more visas to work here. There are more than enough QUALIFIED programmers and engineers in the US to meet the needs of the companies who claim there aren't enough. It's a lie that's been perpetuated by greedy opportunists to our political leaders in order to procure the least expensive minimally-qualified wage slave to do the job, not the "best and brightest" as Bill Gates would have you believe.
>You considered youself unemployed while you were in school??? If that's so, all college students should go claim the unemployed benefits.
I did not quit my job to go to school. I lost my job due to "downsizing" in 2005 (I was already in school). So yes, I was unemployed while I was attending school.
>Companies are not hiring? Where do you actually live? Why not do an experiment by telling them you need an H-1b, let's see if you'll be treated differently!
Southern California. And yes, I did an experiment on Monster.com where I claimed I was here on H-1b. I got more hits in 10 days than I did in a whole year before. So yes, I was treated differently.
>FYI, there're many American workers (non-executives) (I do know some personally) who are working in hot Asian markets like China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, or India. They're foreign workers there but nobody there has ever said they're stealing somebody's jobs.
How many Americans go overseas on visas to other countries compared to how many foreigners come to the US on visas? I'm sure the number is suprisingly low (excluding managers). Why not do a comparison for us and let us know what the ratio is? Then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on in this debate.
"Right now, 51 percent of master's and 71 percent of Ph.D. graduates in electrical and electronic engineering from U.S. universities are foreign nationals,..."
Given the above quote perhaps we should be encouraging a few citizens to enter electrical and electronic engineering. As it stands now the tech fields are no longer attractive to citizens, largely because wages have been undercut so much by foreign workers.
Many foreign workers do receive the same salaries as their American colleagues despite their employers pay more in attorney fee and file tons of paperworks.
Of course, some company like to have their employees on site, hence the demand for increasing the green card quota.
After that is done, I imagine the remaining 20% of my original peer group will be replaced too by non citizens.
On the other hand, if you still fear the competition, then it's time to change your profession.
This may sound cold, but it is the truth.
Oh, did you forget to mention that flooding the labor market with more labor brings down the wages of Americans?
OK now you comment makes sense.
But that is just exactly what people are calling the "race to the bottom" - roaming multinationals pitting countries against each other, making a condition of location the dismantling of their environmental and labor laws, working conditions and wages. This isn't a fantasy, this is exactly what everyone from M$ to Nike have done.
America will not be blackmailed by Microsoft or any other company If MS took every job offshore, we'd hardly notice a change in employment. If we stopped flooding the labor market with labor, there is tons of development work that needs to be done here, not to mention start ups etc.
Either way, unless programming becomes a $15.00 an hour job (in which case India and Vietnam will lower their wages to 5 bucks an hour), the companies are going offshore.
Either we are going to make it profitable for people to go into IT or we're not. That's the real issue. IT is tough and the number of people that can do it will always be limited. If you want that limited number to do a hard job, you have to pay them.
If on the other hand you want to engage in global labor arbitrage, say goodbye to your native competency- they'll do something else- and say goodbye to the innovation they would have brought and say hello to more Outsourced Software Disasters and say hello to the deconstruction of the IT industry here.
Oh wait, that's what we're seeing now....
Here's the formula for a strong IT economy paying good wages and innovating like it was the 90s.
1) stop flooding the labor market with immigration. If wages here are too high for your (failing) business model, then there's the boat and get on it.
2) now that wages are decent again, look at all the people enrolling in IT and bringing their creativity and new ideas with them for new products services and companies. Wow. Just what IBM and Microsoft were afraid of- motivated, visionary, intelligent competition.
3) stop software patents. Did you know IBM was recently issued a patent on the checkbox? That's called industry-killing barrier to entrance.
IBM and MS patent upwards of 10,000 new software patents every year. I don't need to tell the readers of this column the effect of software patents on your ability to writ code and roll out new product.
Software patents are just barriers to entrance to competition in the software industry where all progress is necessarily incremental. We all know that it does nothing to promote the useful arts and sciences. So ban them.
4) now that people have an incentive to get into the industry in the first place and the artificial barriers to new products and services have been removed, the REAL FREE MARKET , you know, the one with REAL competition? can do what it does best- create wealth.
5) Are you going to pick your company up and move it to India? No Why? Because India is a 3rd world bribe-happy, hell-hole with virtually no recognizable civil legal system, kangaroo courts and all the rest. People seek to escape India. Instead brain draining them, let the smart people there reform their country and build their own native industry. Sounds like good competition to me. Just let US create new companies and services and pay our people decently here and we'll do just fine, instead of dragging our country down into the gutter, let's set the laws up so other countries can bring themselves up.
What? That doesn't put even one line of coke up the nose of your average multinational CEO or even one $1000.00 / an hour hooker in his bed?
Sorry, I guess my priorities are misplaced.
Huh that's funny. Do I smell an H1B behind the scenes? *sniff* *sniff* Oh I do I do smell an H1B behind the scenes
You don't even understand the difference between a story and a blog entry...
Thanks for making my point that you are incompetent.
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