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September 4, 2007 3:04 PM PDT

NBC says goodbye to Apple, hello to Amazon

by Greg Sandoval

NBC Universal didn't waste any time replacing Apple.

Episodes of The Office and Heroes will begin appearing at Amazon's Unbox starting next Monday, according to a statement released by the companies.

Amazon customers can download the pilot shows for new series, such as Bionic Woman, and Chuck, free of charge and in advance of their network premiers. Other shows will be available on Amazon Unbox the day after they air. Amazon and NBC Universal are offering a range of packages, including a 30 percent off deal when purchasing a complete season in advance.

NBC Universal and Apple engaged in a public relations battle last week. The spat started when NBC announced it would not renew a long-term contract to offer TV shows for download on iTunes because Apple wasn't offering favorable enough terms.

In response, Apple said it wouldn't sell NBC's shows for the upcoming season.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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Does Amazon Unbox work on the iPod?
by Galaxy5 September 4, 2007 3:58 PM PDT
Or on a Mac?
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Unbox didn't even work on my PC
by rcrusoe September 4, 2007 4:02 PM PDT
I'm buy tons of stuff from Amazon, but I put Unbox in the same catagory as Real Player - avoid at any cost.
No
by FellowConspirator September 5, 2007 5:11 AM PDT
Tried a Mac and a Win XP SP2 PC -- didn't work either place.
BitTorrent is really the only game in town now.
yawn
by Dalkorian September 4, 2007 3:58 PM PDT
Who cares. The only things to watch on NBC are commercials
anyway, which are annoyingly interrupted every 15 minutes to give
you 5 minutes of "shows" that no one wants to watch.

There's a reason that Nothing But Commercials is the least watched
of the alphabet networks. Unless you're a Billy Mays fan wondering
about the new Oxi-product.
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Goodbye Apple, Hello Pirates
by rcrusoe September 4, 2007 4:07 PM PDT
Amazon & all the other online stores haven't been able to find many customers. NBC's move isn't going to change that.

iTunes has been the only real alternative to illegal downloading for a lot of people. The only thing NBC decision is going to do is increase bittorrent traffic.
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Nope!
by danielwsmithee September 4, 2007 4:22 PM PDT
Here is the link to requirements.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?
nodeId=3759

Oddly enough they specifically mention that it may not work on
an Apple computer with a required version of Windows installed!
If they are referring to virtual machines (Parallels, VMWare etc.)
why not say so? Obviously there is no reason why it wouldn't in
BootCamp.

The thing these people don't get is people don't want to watch
video only on their computers. They want to put it on their
iPods, iPhones & PSPs. iTunes is successful because it is so easy
to use and it gets you that (at least for the iPhone/iPod). The
next easiest way is via Torrent and that is where people will go,
not to these crappy "online only" services.
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Another way around it...
by furball123A September 4, 2007 4:40 PM PDT
Get a PVR-150 from Amazon...GBPVR PVR software & some Ipod video conversion software...you only need to use Amazon for the hardware.

Using the scheduler in your PVR software...you can record any network show without resorting to bittorent. Even with the right eazy configuration...the PVR software will kill most of the commercials during or after recording.
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been there
by catch23 September 4, 2007 6:48 PM PDT
still doing it. It amazes me why more folk don't go that route. With ComSkip, 90+% of removing commercials is done for you.
Don't have an iPod, but the package as a whole leaves me not at the mercy of Apple or any network.
Counting the days...
by drumpat01 September 4, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
I'm just counting down the days until the next HUGE torrent site
comes online. And you know its coming. First it was P2P, then it
was Torrents, who knows what could happen now that torrent sites
are being shut down. When are the corporations going to figure out
that they are fighting a losing battle? Leaving iTunes means they
are dead in the water next year.
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losing battle
by wayland.ind September 4, 2007 6:51 PM PDT
how do you expect corporations to figure out that they are fighting a losing battle when your gov can't figure out that they're fighting a losing battle in Iraq? the people that run corps are the ones profiting off wars that america starts in countries they don't sell their **** in.
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NBC - Amazon/Tivo deal leaves customer behind
by carlobmore September 4, 2007 5:04 PM PDT
After claiming that they wanted customers to have choice and
flexibility, I don't see how on "Earth" NBC thinks moving to
Amazon.com will provide (according to the Amazon.com press
release) "the ultimate convenience" and enjoyment to their
customers??

1) iTunes works on both Windows and Mac; Unbox does not.
2) iTunes is easier, faster and more reliable than Unbox.
3) Apple TV does not require a service plan; TiVo does.
4) Apple TV has built-in wireless; TiVo does not.
5) the list of inadequacies goes on and is too long to complete
here...

Given this decision by NBC, it sadly appears they are not serious
about doing what is best for their customers. The fact that none
of the first several comments on this blog praise/welcome the
announcement, should give NBC and Amazon.com a clue as to
the misguided direction they have taken.

But I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise - satisfying customers
cost money - and NBC obviously would rather take more money
from their customers. Thank you Apple for attempting to stand
up for our best interests.
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I was thinking, oh, I have TiVo...
by idreamincode September 4, 2007 5:28 PM PDT
...and this might be something I could use... then it hit me! I get ALLLL NBC shows for FREE just setting the TiVo to record, just like it has for the last 6 years!

I don't think $4.99 an episode is worth it for me to not click the 30sec skip button, and get the show a day later. What is NBC thinking?!
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What they are thinking
by rapier1 September 4, 2007 9:18 PM PDT
Is that taking a minor hit in online sales (which is not a major revenue stream for them) in the short tersm is probably worthwhile in order to break the Apple hegemony in the long run. Apple has basicaly taken away pricing control from them and they (and several other content providers) are tired of it. In the long run Apple will end up changing their pricing structure or lose a good amount of their content. Apple and their providers have, honestly, divergent goals. Apple wants to sell hardware. iTunes is a means to that end. Their providers want to sell their artists and now they feel that Apple isn't letting them maximize their potential profit. So some of them are starting to go elsewhere with the hope that the audience will follow the content.
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Perfect!
by dpip September 4, 2007 5:30 PM PDT
I don't watch NBC and don't buy from Amazon, so this deal is a
win-win for me.
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GE and NBC - Greed in Action
by tompmac September 4, 2007 5:49 PM PDT
This is typical of GE (who owns NBC)...they bully their way to higher margins with their suppliers and retailers (yea Steve Jobs for holding firm for the consumer). Unfortunately for GE/NBC, charging $4.99 for an over-the-air broadcast that can't be easily transferred to the dominant portable video platform is just stupid. GE shareholders should remember this for discussion at next year's sharholders meeting, when NBC's profits are down (again).
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Who cares what NBC does?
by nouser September 4, 2007 5:51 PM PDT
NBC is on a tear to beat ABC and CBS for the least viewers anyway.
If fact, there are no shows that I would give a carp about missing
on NBC anyway. NBC is irrelevant. They are one of the dinosaurs
that is dead but still twitching.
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NBC really doesn't get it
by gsmiller88 September 4, 2007 5:55 PM PDT
NBC just switching to another service isn't going to solve any
problems. I'm sure Amazon is just as overbearing as Apple. It's all
about just being an ass.
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?
by GGGlen September 5, 2007 12:19 AM PDT
Apple? Overbearing?
Do tell how so?
iTunes=cross platform.
iTunes=inexpensive content.
Sounds like another wacky aPpLe hAtERz comment.
Good luck
by aleph-nought September 4, 2007 6:10 PM PDT
Amazon Unbox is an awful system with horrible DRM, horrible rules and restrictions, limited interoperability, terrible service and spotty functionality. Good luck, NBC, you are going to desperately need it.
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Here is an honest clue NBC
by Arrgster September 4, 2007 7:11 PM PDT
I've never purchased anything from amazon, much less digital products. I haven't purchased a cd or dvd in years. Matter of fact until itunes came along I completely lost interest in buying music at all. (because I felt like 1 or 2 good songs on a cd for $15 was a ripoff)

Since itunes came along I've purchased over $200 in music and another $50 or so in tv series. I can watch or listen to my stuff on my Mac at home, at work on my PC, and even load the stuff to my blackberry.

So why in the world would you think I would want to switch to a service that is incompatible with all the stuff I've currently invested in, and to make it worse only be able to use it on my work PC??
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Off to the torrents!
by dante1811 September 4, 2007 7:19 PM PDT
I have a Mac and an iPod, Amazon Unbox works with neither. So, (trumpet fanfare) it's off to the torrents!
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GREAT MOVE !!!
by bbftu919 September 4, 2007 7:33 PM PDT
Excellent Move - NBC did the right thing leaving iTunes and joining Amazon. Apple's arrogance will cost it lots of content, and content is King!
Much better on unattached site, like Amazon. Now I will finally purchase some NBC shows. Great Move NBC!!!
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Your credibility
by godofbiscuits--2008 September 4, 2007 8:36 PM PDT
"Now I will finally purchase some NBC shows"

yeah, that doesn't make you look like an irrational anti-apple idiot.
Content is King?
by m.meister September 4, 2007 10:07 PM PDT
the name of the game is convenience. Apple wins this game
because they make it easy. Easy to be legit. Easy to watch on the
plane or in a car.

The others still don't get this. They think their content is so
fabulous that we'll jump through a dozen hoops, go to all these
different sites, allow ourselves to be tethered to streaming data.

In other words, the viewer is the last piece considered, rather
than the first. That's why they'll ultimately fail.
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Nice buzz-words!
by GGGlen September 5, 2007 1:33 AM PDT
Did you invent them yourself, or were they part of a(nother)
failed NBC script?
"Apple's arrogance"? Really?
Seems obvious to anyone possessing even the barest minimum
in reading comprehension skills, that it was NBC's arrogance
that's leading to their fall.
"unattached site"?
Oh... a clever speak for i aM aN aPPlE hAtOrz.
I strongly suggest you Google the term "review unbox", before
touting something you know nothing about.
And with the iPod holding the majority of places in Amazon's top
25 mp3 player sales, it seems downright stupid to alienate your
customer base.
Anyways... enjoy your overpriced content!
The vast majority of us will enjoy our NBC programming for free.
No room for diference of opinion here
by bbftu919 September 5, 2007 2:44 AM PDT
Actually, we have two video iPods, so calling me an apple hater is way off base. I believe content should not be tied to one platform and that all content should be available to everyone, from iPods to Zunes. A move like this will hopefully make others stand up to Apple and move toward content not tied to a single platform.
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Apple arrogance?
by sangony September 5, 2007 6:27 AM PDT
Apple might be arrogant in some aspects of their business but not
in this issue. NBC was looking to increase prices on almost all of its
products but Apple said no. What's so arrogant about that? In my
book Apple is being a consumer advocate here and not the other
way around. I have nothing against Amazon but NBC just shot itself
in the foot here by leaving Apple the way they did. I wouldn't be
surprised if a "New Deal" is reached within the next 12 months time
between Apple and NBC.
Another step back.
by creed7333 September 4, 2007 8:13 PM PDT
NBC doesn't want 85% of the market share available to them then that is their fault. Can't wait to see those numbers decline for them on shows like "The Office." Torrents will be in full swing for sure. Nothing like acting like all people are crooks to make them one. I mean why would you want your shows on the most popular portable player and largest on-line media store? I hope they loose their shirt on this deal.
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The Logic Is Lost On Me
by Jeremiah256 September 4, 2007 8:13 PM PDT
Did NBC do any research into how people watch the shows they download for iTunes? I'd bet a large number of people who download the tv shows do not watch them directly on their computers. This means they've eliminated their customers (the few they still have) who either watch it on the iPod, attach their iPod to the tv and watch it there, attach it via their Mac computer and watch it, or use AppleTV. Why in god's name would they believe that the folks who already have a Tivo would care about buying an episode a day later for more than twice the cost of iTunes (or free if they want to go the illegal route)?
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This is funny
by Gringras September 4, 2007 8:39 PM PDT
The ONLY TV show I even bothered to watch was Heros. I bought
the episode from iTunes, so I could go back and look at tie-ins
within the story line. Well, so much for that. I guess I'll just have to
read a book. Someone once said that, "The difference between
genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Case in point
with NBC.
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There's this thing called DVD
by SeizeCTRL September 5, 2007 1:00 PM PDT
It's amazing actually... believe it or not it was around prior to iTunes. And the great thing about it, is it's cheaper to buy the complete DVD season of Heroes from Best Buy than to pay $1.99 per episode.

The DVD even looks better than the crap quality you get off iTunes. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true. And if that isn't enough to tickle your pickle, you could even go a step up and get the HD-DVD season for even more of a quality boost.

Now from NBC's perspective, being able to sell the show online to be viewed by people without quicktime, itunes or an iPod isn't all that stupid after all. If you bother thinking different for a change, then giving the consumer more of a choice isn't that bad of a thing. Granted I would rather see a divx copy of the show with NO DRM as the best alternative, but locking people into iTunes doesn't seem to be very open and liberating.
Time to short-sell NBC stock
by Xenu7-214951314497503184010868 September 4, 2007 8:49 PM PDT
Another bad business decision by the dinosaurs running NBC. Until the shareholders dump them, it's time to short sell NBC stock.
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