Ex-Googler tells all to Microsoft
A former Googler who returned to Microsoft after a start-up he left the software giant to launch was acquired by Google, has some not-so-positive insights to share about what it's really like to work at the Googleplex.
Behind the lava lamps, organic dinners and free shuttle buses lurks a company where employees end up working long hours, don't enjoy private offices and get paid less than Microsofties.
That's according to an internal Microsoft e-mail that has made its way to the Web. The blog posting is believed to have been written by a Microsoft recruiter who interviewed the ex-Googler.
Some highlights:
-- "People are generally in the building between 10 a.m. and about 6 p.m. every day, but nearly everyone is on e-mail 24/7 and most people spend most of their evenings working from home."
-- "Most people don't actually have a 20 percent project. Most managers won't remind you to start one."
-- "There are glass-walled offices, there are open-space areas, there are cubicles, there are people who's (sic) desks are literally in hallways because there's no room anywhere else."
-- "A college kid can literally join Google and, like they did as freshman at university, let Google take care of everything. Of course, if Google handles everything for you, it's hard to think about leaving because of all the 'stuff' you'll need to transition and then manage for yourself."
-- "Google doesn't place any value on previous industry experience. (It puts tremendous value on degrees, especially Stanford ones.)"
-- "Google actually pays less salary than Microsoft."
-- "Google's health insurance is actually not nearly as good as Microsoft's."
Among the insider's suggestions for Microsoft to compete more effectively with Google in recruiting and retention is offering employees free food. Serving breakfast by 8:30 a.m. will ensure that many workers are at the office early, the ex-Googler said.
Who is this mystery person who dares to reveal the untold secrets about the company ranked best place to work by Fortune?
In her ZDNet blog, Microsoft watcher Mary Jo Foley says she knows who it is and that she contacted him and his opinions reflect those in the e-mail. He is one of the founders of Phatbits, a company acquired by Google, she says. He left Microsoft before starting Phatbits and then returned after leaving Google. Foley does not identify him but writes that he said he did not create the blog or post the e-mail to it.
UPDATE 9:00 AM PT June 28: A new "Phatbits.com" blog has one entry, entitled "My Words," in which someone claims credit for the opinions expressed about Google but not for the creation of the posting or the blog, and expresses dismay that Foley revealed enough information for his identity to be discovered. "Today my words got splashed all around the Internet. It's interesting to see them living a life of their own outside the context they were created in," the posting says. It includes a letter to Foley that says, in part, "The questions did come from my recruiter and what is published is, as far as I know, my exact response. I haven't compared the online text with the original response so it's possible some details have been changed but, as far as I know, those are my words. I answered the questions in the context of a business communication so my response might include things Microsoft considers confidential. I made a big effort to make sure it didn't contain any facts that Google considers confidential per my agreements with them." It is signed "Warm Regards, Geoffrey."
Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.





organization to the other, and that is your integrity. You may
evolve, but your integrity remains a constant. When I interview
for line jobs, middle management, senior management and even
when I negotiate a merger; I have always considered the choice
of words people release about theyre former employers. There is
not one perfect organization and there are bad careers in even
the most admired. But that is for one to keep, learn and go on.
The fact that CNET re-publishes and makes a splash of
something that should be banned says a lot about what they call
journalism. I would like to see for any Gizmodo, Engadget or the
Boy Genius Report -which today truly leave CNET in the dust as
far as active reporting- publishing the life of an intern at this
truly un-remarkable media Company.
It got reported because it is interesting and provides an interesting insight into Google.
Ellinor Mills is just not feeling lucky!
into shiny happy googlers out on the town, I have wondered if the
google life was not as good as it is made out to be, now I know.
You want your employees at 100% all the time.
You don't want them at 150% most of the time then burned out, sick, less productive and otherwise running at 75% the remainder of the time.
Employees are long term investments. They are what make their company. If you own a trucking company you don't redline your rigs and keep them going without maintenance. If you own a software or media company you dont' do the same with your "brains". You take care of them.
MS or Apple. No match to their lawyers. Besides, those
company's are great at working under the fine line of legality.
To work for huge corporations like that is like selling your soul
to the devil. If that is what you want great! Some others may not
have a choice and some people are just not entrepreneurial and
rather work for somebody.
I much rather work on my own, make good money and have the
free will to do whatever I want whenever I want with my time and
my small business. I do not like bosses neither be watched by
anyone. I am committed to my clients 100% and do work from
home at odd hours.
I understand not all people can do that. But I do know that is
possible to start from 0, yes zero, nothing, nada and become
successful. There is no corporation neither million dollar salaries
that I would accept to change the great life I have make for
myself.
After reading the "tell all" email it makes me wonder how MS can be so much better organized and staffed, and still get their @ss kicked at every turn by Google.
Google doesn't need to advertise on CNET.
A desk in the hallway at Google doesn't sound so bad!
This is normal for United States and also a reason, why the divorce rate in Silicon Valley is close to 90%.
Here in Europe we can work 40 hours/week and spend the rest of time with our families.
It is about priorities. Free breakfast and free dinner at Googleplex or paid breakfast and paid dinner in warm home with your wife and children...
It's up to you to decide...
Do unto others as you would have done to you?
What point is there in breeching a confidentiality agreement by discussing topics of this nature and what do you have to gain by posting an internal memo?
It seems we need a lesson in ethics, including never burn your bridges. If someone would talk like this about one employer - what would prevent them from talking about your organization?
Don't you sign confidentiality agreements?
the trails of other blogs who have actually surpassed them, always
citing them because they are so lost nobody cares what the hell
they report. What was the last 'news uncovering' worthy of reading.
First, the guy said he did his best to avoid breaching any confidentiality agreements with his former employer.
Second, what would ever lead you to believe that Google practices ethics above and/or beyond any other company. If that's the way they run their business, I have no problem with people knowing about it.
After all, Google makes it's business to make information available to everybody under the sun, no matter what the consequences - just so Google sells ads and makes money, it's OK by them.
Hopefully we'll see more of them getting pegged for whey really are.
I could go on, but I think I'll stop for now.
- wimper
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by abh_gup
June 30, 2007 10:43 PM PDT
- yea, what a wimp of an employee. if u don't want to do it for somebody, don't do it. but whats to talk behind stuff, mate. it's sick n sad. you oughta be sacked. but pretty pretty your new employers ike you (maybe) n media folks glad to print it all over.
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