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June 27, 2007 4:15 PM PDT

Ex-Googler tells all to Microsoft

by Elinor Mills
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A former Googler who returned to Microsoft after a start-up he left the software giant to launch was acquired by Google, has some not-so-positive insights to share about what it's really like to work at the Googleplex.

Behind the lava lamps, organic dinners and free shuttle buses lurks a company where employees end up working long hours, don't enjoy private offices and get paid less than Microsofties.

That's according to an internal Microsoft e-mail that has made its way to the Web. The blog posting is believed to have been written by a Microsoft recruiter who interviewed the ex-Googler.

Some highlights:

-- "People are generally in the building between 10 a.m. and about 6 p.m. every day, but nearly everyone is on e-mail 24/7 and most people spend most of their evenings working from home."

-- "Most people don't actually have a 20 percent project. Most managers won't remind you to start one."

-- "There are glass-walled offices, there are open-space areas, there are cubicles, there are people who's (sic) desks are literally in hallways because there's no room anywhere else."

-- "A college kid can literally join Google and, like they did as freshman at university, let Google take care of everything. Of course, if Google handles everything for you, it's hard to think about leaving because of all the 'stuff' you'll need to transition and then manage for yourself."

-- "Google doesn't place any value on previous industry experience. (It puts tremendous value on degrees, especially Stanford ones.)"

-- "Google actually pays less salary than Microsoft."

-- "Google's health insurance is actually not nearly as good as Microsoft's."

Among the insider's suggestions for Microsoft to compete more effectively with Google in recruiting and retention is offering employees free food. Serving breakfast by 8:30 a.m. will ensure that many workers are at the office early, the ex-Googler said.

Who is this mystery person who dares to reveal the untold secrets about the company ranked best place to work by Fortune?

In her ZDNet blog, Microsoft watcher Mary Jo Foley says she knows who it is and that she contacted him and his opinions reflect those in the e-mail. He is one of the founders of Phatbits, a company acquired by Google, she says. He left Microsoft before starting Phatbits and then returned after leaving Google. Foley does not identify him but writes that he said he did not create the blog or post the e-mail to it.

UPDATE 9:00 AM PT June 28: A new "Phatbits.com" blog has one entry, entitled "My Words," in which someone claims credit for the opinions expressed about Google but not for the creation of the posting or the blog, and expresses dismay that Foley revealed enough information for his identity to be discovered. "Today my words got splashed all around the Internet. It's interesting to see them living a life of their own outside the context they were created in," the posting says. It includes a letter to Foley that says, in part, "The questions did come from my recruiter and what is published is, as far as I know, my exact response. I haven't compared the online text with the original response so it's possible some details have been changed but, as far as I know, those are my words. I answered the questions in the context of a business communication so my response might include things Microsoft considers confidential. I made a big effort to make sure it didn't contain any facts that Google considers confidential per my agreements with them." It is signed "Warm Regards, Geoffrey."

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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is this real news?
by tanoo2002 June 27, 2007 6:03 PM PDT
I don't think this article has much of a basis. It sounds like some unnamed person who may or may not have really said those things has become the one and only authoritative source on Google's "true" work environment. I mean, c'mon - is there really a business that exists where some of its workers don't work from home (ie remote email)?
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It is plain wrong to give credit to this sort of behavior
by rdoumet June 27, 2007 7:07 PM PDT
If there is something you carry and never changes between one
organization to the other, and that is your integrity. You may
evolve, but your integrity remains a constant. When I interview
for line jobs, middle management, senior management and even
when I negotiate a merger; I have always considered the choice
of words people release about theyre former employers. There is
not one perfect organization and there are bad careers in even
the most admired. But that is for one to keep, learn and go on.
The fact that CNET re-publishes and makes a splash of
something that should be banned says a lot about what they call
journalism. I would like to see for any Gizmodo, Engadget or the
Boy Genius Report -which today truly leave CNET in the dust as
far as active reporting- publishing the life of an intern at this
truly un-remarkable media Company.
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Quite a high horse you have there
by smilin:) June 28, 2007 7:31 AM PDT
The guy was obviously a MS Fan. He wanted to do a startup on his own, not work against Microsoft. When he came to work for Google that's exactly what was happening and he left.

It got reported because it is interesting and provides an interesting insight into Google.
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This story says more about CNET
by philhardwick June 27, 2007 7:36 PM PDT
...and its concept of journalism than it does about Microsoft and Google.
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Re: This story says more about Mills Luck
by iamsab June 27, 2007 11:06 PM PDT
I think the concept of CNet journalism is great.
Ellinor Mills is just not feeling lucky!
I found this useful
by wylbur June 27, 2007 8:46 PM PDT
Really. In the sense that I live in the bay area and have never run
into shiny happy googlers out on the town, I have wondered if the
google life was not as good as it is made out to be, now I know.
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As Nelson Muntz might say...
by Betty Roper June 27, 2007 8:50 PM PDT
Haw Haw, Google sucks to work at.
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Most Startups in SV are like Google
by microsoft slayer June 27, 2007 11:54 PM PDT
If you can't work long hours, then Silicon Valley isn't your thing. Go back to Seattle and cry to your pappa Gates, you lazy bum!
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Long hours or dedication?
by limefan913 June 28, 2007 12:01 AM PDT
Many people may just be that dedicated to the cause of Google, similar to those who work startups. The company I'm working on founding involves my partner and I working our ***** of until 3AM many days at my place behind a desk programming until we pass out at a desk.
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This is not a start-up
by orfeu_niko June 28, 2007 1:38 AM PDT
When you work in start-up is like going for a gold hunt. If you are lucky, you are done for life. Just like the first employees from Google done. When you are just an employee, well, it is different.
dedication like that means burnout
by smilin:) June 28, 2007 7:35 AM PDT
Work 110% !!! It's BS.

You want your employees at 100% all the time.
You don't want them at 150% most of the time then burned out, sick, less productive and otherwise running at 75% the remainder of the time.

Employees are long term investments. They are what make their company. If you own a trucking company you don't redline your rigs and keep them going without maintenance. If you own a software or media company you dont' do the same with your "brains". You take care of them.
Why bother to work long hours at Google....
by Commander_Spock June 28, 2007 3:22 AM PDT
... and at Microsoft when you can just "sue" the pants off of Google and Microsoft for being too monopolistic. Just get the "anti-trust lawyers" and the "folks at the European Commission" to go to work for you then they will have to show you all of their software "codes" for free. Ha, Ha, Ha,......
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Why bother with any CORPORATION?
by Xtoo June 28, 2007 7:10 AM PDT
Very difficult for someone to sue a huge company like Google or
MS or Apple. No match to their lawyers. Besides, those
company's are great at working under the fine line of legality.

To work for huge corporations like that is like selling your soul
to the devil. If that is what you want great! Some others may not
have a choice and some people are just not entrepreneurial and
rather work for somebody.

I much rather work on my own, make good money and have the
free will to do whatever I want whenever I want with my time and
my small business. I do not like bosses neither be watched by
anyone. I am committed to my clients 100% and do work from
home at odd hours.

I understand not all people can do that. But I do know that is
possible to start from 0, yes zero, nothing, nada and become
successful. There is no corporation neither million dollar salaries
that I would accept to change the great life I have make for
myself.
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Sounds like my job
by rcrusoe June 28, 2007 8:03 AM PDT
except my workday, like most network managers, usually starts around 6:00 am.

After reading the "tell all" email it makes me wonder how MS can be so much better organized and staffed, and still get their @ss kicked at every turn by Google.
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Bad Employee
by shoffmueller June 28, 2007 8:10 AM PDT
A new employee bad-mouthing his old company. Not unusual, but speaks to the professional maturity of the employee. Not exactly news, though.
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Reason why CNET is pro-Ms and anti-google
by rslc June 28, 2007 8:23 AM PDT
Microsoft is one of CNET's main customer and revenue source in advertisements.

Google doesn't need to advertise on CNET.
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The counter-response
by Rants&Raves June 28, 2007 8:42 AM PDT
is here: http://www.phatbits.com/
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He should try being a Financial Advisor...
by MikeDson June 28, 2007 8:44 AM PDT
...come in at 8 AM, leave at 10 PM (hopefully), make $20,000 a year for it, ruin your credit when you reach the point of not being able to pay your bills anymore, and not be permitted to take the vacation time you're supposedly entitled to!

A desk in the hallway at Google doesn't sound so bad!
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Microsoft's Long Hours
by markokrajnc June 28, 2007 9:33 AM PDT
In 1998 I had an interview in Redmond to work for Microsoft. One of the programmers said me: "Official work hours are from 9am to 5pm. I've never came home before 7pm, but usually I come home at 9pm. Two times a week I have to come to work at 7am."

This is normal for United States and also a reason, why the divorce rate in Silicon Valley is close to 90%.

Here in Europe we can work 40 hours/week and spend the rest of time with our families.

It is about priorities. Free breakfast and free dinner at Googleplex or paid breakfast and paid dinner in warm home with your wife and children...

It's up to you to decide...
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What happened to Ethics and Confidentiality
by Claire Gaeta June 28, 2007 1:47 PM PDT
What happened to the Golden Rule?

Do unto others as you would have done to you?

What point is there in breeching a confidentiality agreement by discussing topics of this nature and what do you have to gain by posting an internal memo?

It seems we need a lesson in ethics, including never burn your bridges. If someone would talk like this about one employer - what would prevent them from talking about your organization?

Don't you sign confidentiality agreements?
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Yes, but that doesn't mean anything for the low standards of CNET
by rdoumet June 28, 2007 6:39 PM PDT
CNET has become CENT News. A penny a dozen enterprise chasing
the trails of other blogs who have actually surpassed them, always
citing them because they are so lost nobody cares what the hell
they report. What was the last 'news uncovering' worthy of reading.
Re: What happened to Ethics and Confidentiality
by chuck_whealton June 29, 2007 6:52 AM PDT
Wait a minute, Claire...

First, the guy said he did his best to avoid breaching any confidentiality agreements with his former employer.

Second, what would ever lead you to believe that Google practices ethics above and/or beyond any other company. If that's the way they run their business, I have no problem with people knowing about it.

After all, Google makes it's business to make information available to everybody under the sun, no matter what the consequences - just so Google sells ads and makes money, it's OK by them.

Hopefully we'll see more of them getting pegged for whey really are.
What's Googles response?
by Michael00360 June 28, 2007 1:58 PM PDT
So, now that round one is over what does Google have to say about the comments. Are the comments correct in their context and are they true? If they are, why is this person telling everything about Google's work ethics anyway (not that I'm against work ethics)? What does he/she expect to gain from such a statement?

I could go on, but I think I'll stop for now.
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don't burn your bridges
by AliciaLW June 28, 2007 2:40 PM PDT
We all have something negative to say about a former job, employer, boss, etc. But most of us don't allow it to become so public. Besides, what's suppostedly said about Google can be said about a lot of work places out there. So why is this newsworthy?
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Welcome To America
by loganwayne June 29, 2007 6:44 AM PDT
Whats new. This is standard in America today sad to say.10 hours plus at the office and 2 to 4 hours in traffic. Family comes first here at this house, we have learned that early on from our parents. It is sad someone had to pinpoint where the story came from. I hope that Microsoft gave him the job!!(with a nice bonus)
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wimper
by abh_gup June 30, 2007 10:43 PM PDT
yea, what a wimp of an employee. if u don't want to do it for somebody, don't do it. but whats to talk behind stuff, mate. it's sick n sad. you oughta be sacked. but pretty pretty your new employers ike you (maybe) n media folks glad to print it all over.
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