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May 17, 2007 5:27 PM PDT

Yahoo says 'Been there, done that' to Google redesign

by Elinor Mills

Google grabbed the Web search headlines on Wednesday with splashy news that it was revamping its main page and blending results for all kinds of media indexed into one place -- not just text on Web pages, but video content, images and local map-related results. Previously, searchers had to conduct separate searches on Google's video, image and other search sites.

But Yahoo representatives say big deal -- they already do that. "We are blending that information already," Eckart Walther, vice president of product search at Yahoo, said on Thursday. "For a lot of the queries we have the same multimedia content, we just don't make it as quick to access."

Was Google's news overblown? Not really, says Danny Sullivan, founder of the Search Engine Land blog.

"You can't take away from the fact that Google is trying something really different with those Web results," he said. "It's a big, dramatic change for Google itself, and potentially for the search system."

Google's new interface offers thumbnails for videos that play the video clip on the page when clicked on instead of just offer links to pages where the videos can be viewed. Also, Google is incorporating local search results, with maps and local listings related to searches among the results in the redesign.

"What Google is doing is replacing some of the Web pages with more specialized data," says Sullivan. Google is trying to say not only are we giving you one single list (of results), but they are also going further and determining the relevancy in that list" from all the different types of content.

Yahoo may not be exactly doing that on its main Web search results but has such one-stop search functionality on its mobile platform with oneSearch, Walther said.

In addition, Walther noted that Yahoo has offered translated results for non-English Web searches for about two years now, something Google says is coming soon.

Granted, Yahoo "hasn't seen massive pickup on it yet," said Walther. Maybe because it's available for German, French, Japanese and Chinese, and most people in Germany and France speak English as a second language. Google's translation efforts are likely to include languages where English is less widespread, such as Arabic-speaking countries, judging from the examples they gave during their presentation to members of the media.

Will Yahoo launch the translation in other languages? "It may be time to revisit that," Walther said.

Yahoo has focused its efforts on social search, like Yahoo Answers, instead. "Yahoo Answers sort of provides the same feature," he said. "You can use machines to try to translate things or use humans to translate things ... leveraging the local community" is faster and easier.

The Google news and Yahoo retort highlight the fact that the major search engines are in a perpetual race to add new features and improve on the Web site design. Google benefits from a double standard with regard to the public, Sullivan said.

"If Yahoo had done that a lot of people would have said you are cluttering it up? slowing things down," he said. "When Google does it, it sets the standard" for others to follow.

So, expect video thumbnails to appear soon on search results pages of Google rivals, Sullivan added.

Google also knows how to work the media. "Google learned that if they do an entire day devoted to search they're going to get good press. Yahoo, Microsoft and Ask don't do that," he said. "Google played the PR side of things very, very well with this."

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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Accidental candor?
by nicmart May 17, 2007 6:39 PM PDT
"For a lot of the queries we have the same multimedia content, we
just don't make it as quick to access." -- Yahoo
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Google Takes Crown from Microsoft
by DMAN3k May 17, 2007 6:50 PM PDT
Google has taken the crown from Microsoft for copying other people's idea.

Google plans a party next week on Friday.
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Yahoo's VP of product search doesn't understand search
by jd29 May 17, 2007 9:13 PM PDT
"For a lot of the queries we have the same multimedia content,
we just don't make it as quick to access."

"If Yahoo had done that a lot of people would have said you are
cluttering it up? slowing things down ? When Google does it, it
sets the standard."

It's incredible that someone in charge of a search product would
make these statements. Google has had search across different
media for a long time too. Making the different media instantly
accessible to the user is not just a minor and unimportant
feature of its new universal search, but the defining feature.

By implementing the changes subtly, without cluttering the
interface and with no loss in speed, most users will get
significant benefit without even consciously noticing any
changes. And that?s the point. It?s good user experience.
Dismissing the significance of the changes is disingenuous. And
blaming Google?s success on user bias against Yahoo is pathetic
coming from a VP.

Reading Walther?s comments, it?s not hard to see why Google
provides a superior search experience for its users.
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It's all in the experience
by ghostofitpast May 18, 2007 9:28 AM PDT
I think it is important to recognize the quality of the "search experience" as at least one of the deciding factors. In the past I have not always been keen on how Google assesses that experience, but I have to admit that they got it right this time! Since AT&T is my ISP, many of my Web pages have a bias towards Yahoo!; but I find I have been ignoring that bias most of the time. Indeed, the overall Yahoo! "experience" does not seem to be keeping up with things very well; and I thought they were supposed to be paying more attention to that overall experience than to just search!
Results first, then presentation
by rcrusoe May 18, 2007 3:59 AM PDT
Yahoo search may well have started offering blended results before Google.

But, IMO, their search results are not as good as Google's and they are not "as quick".

It's a case of substance over style. Google has the first and is working on the second. Yahoo appears just the opposite.
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Google stinks anyways
by niravabhavsar May 18, 2007 12:08 PM PDT
Google search stinks anyways. New improved yahoo search and live search are way better than google search. All other products from google stink too. Their gmail is cluttered - why in the hell would I want to search my mails when I can arrange them but google doesn't want you to arrange them they want you to search them so that they can scan your personal data. I use it only to get junk mail. Another flagship google product such as googletalk is a drag too. It utilizes twice the CPU power than others. It doesn't have video chat nor groups etc. Thank god they closed their version of answers. And, do not forget their worst copyright record. They let users steal videos and then say owners "you need to sort through our list and formally request them to be taken down." and in the meanwhile they make money out of it. What a rip-off. It says "Do not be evil" but they are the biggest evils. bigger than Microsoft.
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or... PrePR vs. PR.
by ThunkDifferent.com May 18, 2007 12:10 PM PDT
Yes, there are many forms and styles to pr, but to prep yourself with "pre" pr is to create a buzz before your real news hits. Google is great at prepr, and yahoo is normally on the defense. They are into green marketing however, whereas Google just givespeople they hire a discount if they buya hybrid. Just something to think about...

http://ThunkDifferent.com
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Google plagiarism
by niravabhavsar May 18, 2007 2:27 PM PDT
"Google's new interface offers thumbnails for videos that play the video clip on the page when clicked on instead of just offer links to pages where the videos can be viewed. Also, Google is incorporating local search results, with maps and local listings related to searches among the results in the redesign."

Yes, that means more breaches of rights of the copyright holders. Now they will breach copyrights on google.com instead of YouTube. Too bad creative people who worked hard and created stuff.
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Google plagiarism
by niravabhavsar May 18, 2007 2:27 PM PDT
"Google's new interface offers thumbnails for videos that play the video clip on the page when clicked on instead of just offer links to pages where the videos can be viewed. Also, Google is incorporating local search results, with maps and local listings related to searches among the results in the redesign."

Yes, that means more breaches of rights of the copyright holders. Now they will breach copyrights on google.com instead of YouTube. Too bad creative people who worked hard and created stuff.
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