U.K. judge stumped by Web lingo

If you're reading this, then the chances are pretty good that you know what a Web site is. So go tell it to the judge.

The man you'd want to speak to is Judge Peter Openshaw, who's presiding at Woolwich Crown Court in London over a trial in which three men stand charged with inciting terrorism over the Internet. According to a Reuters account of Wednesday's proceedings, Openshaw interrupted questioning to get a basic vocabulary check.

"The trouble is I don't understand the language. I don't really understand what a Web site is," Openshaw said. After the prosecutor did some explaining, the judge still was at a bit of a loss: "I haven't quite grasped the concepts."

It's hard to know from the brief Reuters piece whether the magistrate was playing devil's advocate in trying to nail down certain concepts or, at age 59, was fessing up that he's stuck in a pre-Web era of legal pads and snail mail. A number of bloggers gave Openshaw credit for being forthright, but many yelped about cluelessness in the courts.

Blog community response:

"I admit, it's difficult to grasp how anyone -- especially someone presiding over a case on internet terrorism -- could be so insulated from the everyday realities of modern life. But I must say I'm really quite impressed that Judge Openshaw is brave enough to admit this."
--Christopher MacKay's blog

"It's like me, a web developer, being asked to make a website about law. I don't understand law, I don't understand the terms, but I am an expert in making websites. I am there to apply my understanding of how to make a website; if I don't understand a legal term that is important to the website, I should be expected to admit it and find out about it, but not to resign every time I hear something that I don't understand."
--Slashdot user SausageOfDoom

"Isn't it ludicrous that any judge can get away with this? And in a serious case it's even more serious."
--Little Bulldogs

"God forbid if his next case involves online fraud in Second Life or something like that."
--Lalaia

[law_hog]

Actually....

It's quite common for a judge in England to ask questions like that for the benefit of the 12 jurors who have to make a decision, and who may not know what a web site is.

The judge is probably just making sure that the correct definitions are in evidence so the jurors are not confused. The phrasing of the questions are quite common, i.e. in the first person, but the effect is to ask on behalf of the Court, not the judge.

[myrddin_1975]

Agreed...

It's a common thing in US courts as well to have attorneys or judges restate the obvious -- for the sake of the jury's understanding, or for the record. You regularly have a defense attorney saying "And explain what you did next," when they very well know what the client did next. That said, some of the UK judge's comments seem to belie a rather limited understanding.

[Madrone]

The internet is a series of tubes.

Clearly needs to get in touch with Ted Stevens for a crash course on the interweb

[Madrone]

The internet is a series of tubes.

Clearly needs to get in touch with Ted Stevens for a crash course on the interweb

[Leeeroy Jenkins]

The Judge is a Mac User

those technical phrases confuse him so, that he uses a Mac instead of a PC so he doesn't need to know what those phrases mean.

[Quiksilver7122]

What??

Congratulations!! That was the dumbest most unfunny thing I've
read today!

[danielmaui]

Too funny!

Hey, I'm a loyal Mac fan from way back, and I must admit, that was
a pretty funny statement!

[ejevo]

Inexcusable

And older workers wonder why they're losing jobs to younger workers. Experience is one thing, but RELEVANT experience is quite another.

There's no way this judge should be presiding at this trial. The defense must be loving it, since this gives them a "Get Out of Jail Free" card via legitimate grounds for a mistrial.