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June 24, 2009 2:26 PM PDT

Adobe's Flash to ship on new Android phone

by Stephen Shankland
The HTC Hero phone will have Flash support built in.

The HTC Hero phone will have Flash support built in.

(Credit: HTC)

Marking a departure from the world of iPhone, HTC's new Android-based Hero phone will also come with the ability to handle Flash elements that adorn many Web sites and power YouTube video.

Adobe Systems announced on Wednesday that its Flash Player will be built into the HTC phone, an important step in the company's efforts to spread Flash to mobile phones. The phone, one of several from HTC to use Google's open-source operating system, is scheduled to ship in Europe starting in July and in Asia and North America later in the year.

However, the initial version won't match Flash Player 10, the current version for PCs, which can run programs written with ActionScript 3. Instead, the Android version will handle ActionScript 2 applications written for Flash Player 9 chores, Adobe said. HTC is participating in the Open Screen Project to bring Flash Player 10 to mobile phones through over-the-air updates, though, so Adobe expects fuller Flash support eventually.

"Flash Player 10 for mobile platforms that include Android is expected to be available in the first half of 2010. We are working on delivering a beta of Flash Player 10 in the fourth quarter of 2009," the company said in a statement.

The Flash support will be built into the phone and not available as a download for other Android phone users, Adobe said.

Just having a check mark in a feature list isn't enough to outflank a competitor, but Flash is a significant feature on the Web. It powers many games, streaming videos, and dynamic stock charts, and other elaborate features on Web pages. And Flash is also used for many more dynamic advertisements.

Adobe demonstrated Flash on Android in an online video Wednesday, showing off the technology for watching a trailer at Yahoo Movies, playing the Penguin Swing game, and selecting a region on travel site Expedia. Double-clicking on the Flash element on the Web page runs it full screen.

Apple's iPhone doesn't run Flash, though Adobe would like to see it there and has been developing a version.

"We are developing Flash player for the iPhone. To release software on the iPhone requires Apple's agreement. We have to make it work great, and need to get their agreement to have it released," said Adobe chief technology officer Kevin Lynch in a 2008 interview. "We would love to see Flash on the iPhone."

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by DMAN3k June 24, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
Death to Flash (and Silverlight). Long live HTML5!

Flash seriously uses way too much power.
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by forever4now June 24, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
I agree that HTML5 (video especially) should be used wherever possible, to conserve smartphone battery life, but being able to play existing Flash content (videos, 1000s of games, etc.) on Android is a real bonus, in the mean time.

Flash support will likely be even more important for Android smartbooks/netbooks, since users are likely to expect a comparable browsing experience to their current desktop browser.
by gerrrg June 24, 2009 3:31 PM PDT
Well, isn't that why it took so long for Adobe to create a version for mobile?
by almo-8 June 24, 2009 4:18 PM PDT
You've got to be kidding. Obviously not a web developer.

If you're interested in going beyond expressing such subjective feelings and educating yourself about where the Web development market is heading (and where the buzz is), this may offer some interesting data to get started:

"Adobe Flash": http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22Adobe+flash%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
"Microsoft Silverlight": http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22Microsoft+Silverlight%22&ctab=-1&geo=all&date=all
22&ctab=333247712&geo=all&date=all
"HTML": http://www.google.com/trends?q=HTML&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

With all respect, if you had followed W3C work on HTML 5 you'd understand that it offers some improvements but still only a fraction of the functionality readily available in Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight today. Besides that, consider that the HTML/JavaScript/CSS "standards" are implemented differently by all browsers, making it an increadibly tedious task to implement sophisticated and professional web applications using said technologies. Now, let's add HTML5 to that mix. yay!

On your reference to Flash "requiring too much power", well--that's a generalization that needs to be clarified. But if the reference is in regards to Flash Video, you may have missed the news that Flash Video is becoming a standard that will be supported by the chipsets used by all major TV manufacturers. Also, NVIDIA is releasing a chipset that will support Flash Video for computers. Besides that I'm not sure what power issues you may be referring to.
by cvaldes1831 June 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
I think DMAN3k is referring to power consumption on handheld devices (like the Android phone described in this blog entry).

Whether or not Flash Video runs on a TV set is irrelevant to this discussion. They're plugged into the wall for power.
by almo-8 June 24, 2009 4:36 PM PDT
Agreed, and that's why a clarification is warranted. The term "power" is frequently mis-used in the context of CPU performance these days, hence the reference to the Flash Video becoming a standard natively supported in new TVs and PC graphics chipsets.
by El_Segfaulto June 25, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
Flash is the bane of the online browsing world. Websites that use Flash for navigation should be avoided. Advertisements that utilize Flash for animations that draw the eye away from the content are insidious. I do not want Flash on my G1 unless I can block it and only allow what I explicitly want.
by brigz0067 June 24, 2009 3:10 PM PDT
Yes HTML5 might threaten Flash, but it will take years for that to happen. Given Adobe's prominence in web applications, it's hard to imagine Flash will ever go away. Flash draws a wide range of processing power depending on the application and framerate, just as any program in any language. Saying that is "uses way too much power" is just ignorant. What bothers me is why do they only allow AS2 and not AS3? Kinda a moot point that it supports Flash if it doesn't support the latest language.
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by FourWheelVibe June 25, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
With regard to AS3 support, this will be available once Flash Player 10 is deployed to mobile devices. The Android HTC Hero is initially going to market with Flash Lite which only supports AS2. Adobe's roadmap for Open Screen is to enable/require the participating partners to provide OTA updates to the Player therefore once Player 10 is released the device manufacturers and carriers will be able to push out the new Player. Based on details from Adobe, Flash Player 10 will start shipping on devices in early 2010 so it's not that far off. Also keep in mind that about 80% of Flash apps on the web today still leverage AS2 so this first step with Flash Lite will cover a large percentage of the existing apps.
by seven7dust June 24, 2009 3:29 PM PDT
another annoyance of flash is the annoying flash ads like smileys etc
that consume CPU resources and slow everything down
plus they take up bandwidth on a already slow 3g connection !

for this to work they need to be a quick access setting to turn it of and on
or I can see it back firing big time !
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by almo-8 June 24, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Good point, but let's imagine what may happen, years from now, when HTML 5 finally scratches the surface of what Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight is capable of today.

1. Google's bread and butter (web advertisement) will still be there.
2. Some ads will be made in HTML 5 (now that it is getting slightly more sophisticated and can actually support it).
by V_RocKs June 24, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
Wow. What a slap in the face for current G1 owners.

No wonder why the G1 is rooted by a higher percentage of its owners than the iPhone.
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by Mr. Dee June 24, 2009 4:48 PM PDT
Flash is a nuisance but necessary at times. They need to work on its performance though. Its enough to bring a Quad Core machine with 8 GBs of RAM and 1 GB video card to its knees.
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by Perry_Clease June 24, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
Spot on!
by monkeyfun14 June 24, 2009 8:43 PM PDT
Oh yes especially anything that has any sort of physics.
by taylor_wimberly June 24, 2009 6:16 PM PDT
It might not be available as an official download for Android, but I'm sure the mod community will extract it and compile it in their custom builds.
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by DevSkills June 24, 2009 8:09 PM PDT
Flash must not be that bad if everyone is trying to copy it.
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by monkeyfun14 June 24, 2009 8:44 PM PDT
It is that bad silverlight is kicking its ass and HTML5 is poised to take a bite out of it.
by CreativeMalcolm June 25, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
I confess I'd love to see Adobe really start making flash quicker and less of a processor hog. On Windows it's not so bad but on the Mac even doing simple stuff can suddenly get my MacBook pretty dang hot. It's pretty bad when playing an online game makes my machine run hotter than high end work in their pro apps.
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