July 23, 2008 6:36 AM PDT

Warner Bros. moves against Web copies of 'Dark Knight'

by Greg Sandoval
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Warner Bros. is going after the sites that posted pirated copies of the film The Dark Knight.

Studio says the first illegal version to show up online was a poorly lit, 'camcorded' copy.

(Credit: Warner Bros.)

CNET News reported Monday that copies of the hit new Batman film could be found at several Web sites. Now, a spokesman for the studio said Warner Bros. is taking action.

"We actively search for these sites and services and have them taken down," said Craig Hoffman, a spokesman for Warner Bros.' worldwide antipiracy and technical operations. "While so far we have had compliance with our requests, we certainly reserve our rights to take whatever legal action necessary to protect our intellectual property."

Warner Bros. does see one positive in the pirating of The Dark Knight, Hoffman said. No copies of the film circulated before the film's theater debut.

"It is impossible to monitor every single screening at every theater worldwide to prevent it from being camcorded," Hoffman said. "Sadly, it is inevitable that an illegal copy of the film will eventually surface. What was a true accomplishment and unprecedented given the amount of interest and Internet buzz about The Dark Knight was despite hundreds of pre-release press, review, and promotional screenings worldwide, not a single copy of the film leaked prior to the official release."

According to Hoffman, the first copy, which was a poorly lit "camcorded copy," did not surface until 48 hours after the film's release. There's no way to confirm that, but it sounds about right.

"It was that copy that propagated on the Internet during the first days of the movie's release," Hoffman said.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by giyad July 23, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
whatever helps you sleep at night warner...
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by paul.saulnier July 23, 2008 7:27 AM PDT
The real question is why people bother to watch low-quality camcorder copies of films.
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by kirkules July 23, 2008 9:09 AM PDT
It's free
by jabari July 24, 2008 12:48 AM PDT
why? easy a lot of movies are not so great. In NY a ticket can cost like $17 not including popcorn or whatever for 1 person. If you pay $17 for a movie that's awful you will be mad. When there are marginal movies that you just want to see whats its about people watch the bootleg if they enjoy it they may go see it or buy the DVD. i admit back in the day in college when I had nothing to do I downloaded a bunch of movies some of which I never heard of just because they were there. I found stargate like that and ended up buying not only the movie but all the seasons on DVD to keep up which I would have never done if i had not downloaded the movie by mistake. On the other hand I downloaded some other movies that I want sure about and they ended up being awful and I was glad i didn't waste $17 to see them.
by thedreaming July 24, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
People some people are that cheap and that thick.
by Magicland July 23, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
This just goes to show how stupid the people at the movie companies (yeah, that's you Warner) are. "The Dark Knight" sets box office records, and they're worried about a crappy camcorded version online, as if anybody who wastes their time watching it was going to shell out to see it in the movies anyway.
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by morlamweb July 23, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
No, according to the article they're not worried about one crappy copy of a movie (though I'm sure they'd be happy if that file could be erased). If you actually READ the article, you'd know that TW is happy that the first copy came out after the movie's premier.
by Thomas, David July 24, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
Warners effort on this front should be applauded, not derided.
by Dead Soulman July 23, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
This is very sad. Considering the record breaking millions Warner has made from "Dark Knight" and the more is bound to make when it hits home video, Warner is taking the low road. I haven't seen the movie, but thanks to Cnet, was able to find sites that had it. But, the quality was so poor, it wasn't even worth bothering with. But, the buzz of "Dark Knight" is so strong, with or without the online copies, that I'm bound to rent/buy it when it hits home video. Studios need to keep in mind that these poor online versions actually boost the popularity of the movie and it'd drive those who appreciate a good movie shown at its best resolution in audio and video will hit the theaters. But, dinosaurs do not know how to adapt.
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by cohaver July 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
Netflix Block buster Time warner all need to Build a Movie Demand Service where at same time it Released at the Theaters it can be bought as a Download Demand Service Instead of 200 million opening weekend they take in 500 million dollars. And everyone would see and less likely it be Pirated. Lower quality on the Demand Service So the Theater wont cry. And give a outlet for people who want to see the movie and cant wait for it to show up in there town.
World need to get smarter . Movie companies need to Develop a system to get to as many people as possible as fast as possible this best way to stop the Pirates
The Window between theater Release and DVD Release is to Long
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by berbar July 23, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
Having the chance to see it on an IMAX, I wouldn't care about pirated copies.
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by bentslimshady July 23, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
@cohaver
couldnt agree more!!!!!!.i tihnk someone should start an online petition where we could all go and sign up,then hand it to the mpaa.show them proof that alot of pirating would die if they were to release the movies in the way you state.another thing is that with all the hype thats been on the net regarding The Dark Knight there was a massive buzz about the movie and by the time it gets released to dvd,all the folk that couldnt make it to the cinema arnt going to have the desperation to see the film as much as when it first gets released.hence could have made more money releasing on the net and in theaters.ive been buzzing about this film for ages,but due to my job commitments theres a good chance i wont be able to make it to the theater so i like alot of others will have to wait for the dvd,and by then i might have lost intrest due to reading all the reviews anyway.i hope they make a move forward in time soon.whats the most used form of entertainment nowdays,it was tv,then video and cinema,and now............the net!!!!!!!!!this is the first place it should get released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RRosal July 23, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
If people are so desperate to watch a good movie with horrible audio and even worse picture quality, than power to them. I'm willing to pay for my entertainment if its worth it. All you folks who love watching poorly recorded movies on the Internet, here's a tip: Go to Youtube and watch some of the amateur films uploaded there. At least you're not hurting any one out there that's trying to make money off their hard work.
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by whattawookie July 23, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
@cohaver and bentslimshady:

It will never happen, at least, not in the the way to want. The only reason that movies make so much money (like The Dark Knight), is that the only way to see them for a month or so is in theaters, which make the movie companies money. Now, if they decided to put it out online as a download, even for a fee, the day it came out in theaters, then people would no longer need to go see it several times in the theaters. They could just buy it once, and have it and be done with it. The movie compaines would lose a bunch of money on this, not to mention that there would be no need to buy the movie on dvd/blueray when it came out. So, sadly, I dont think this will ever happen.
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by bentslimshady July 23, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
@whattawookie,

dude,i didnt mean download and keep,i mean pay for a showing over the internet via streaming,it surely could be a way to combat piracy.i would pay the same as going to the cinema to watch a streaming version with decent quality,legally as i prefer to watch movies in the comfort of my own home,and surely i cant be the only person who would do this.pay for a ticket over the net for a showing,they could put some sort of protection on to stop actual download.there you have it,effectivley doing the same as you would going to the cinema,paying online and being able to view the once.
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by whattawookie July 23, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
@ bentslimshady

Sure, that makes sense. But do you know how many ways there are to record streaming video onto how many different types of media? That could actually make pirating worse. And, sure, they could put some kind of protection on it to TRY and hinder people from pirating it, but there is no way they could make it completely secure.
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by unknown unknown July 23, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
They're (the people who watch low quality pirate copy) they're not missing much IMO, I wasn't impressed by the movie, if could get my money back I would. The movie benefited from Heath Ledger's untimely death, in terms of fueling the hype. Then again I am seldom impressed by anything Hollywood churns out.
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by mikeburek July 23, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
I'm going to start making little cardboard camcorders with a little piece of glass for a "lens" and a blinking red light. Then I'll take that to the movie theaters and set it up. And watch as 5 MPAA secret service guys jump on that.
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by jabari July 24, 2008 12:43 AM PDT
You could not be more right. They just hope that they can force people to pay twice for the movie. For some people the movie theater/Imax (if available) experience is really important. Some people just want to see the movie. When you have a huge movie like this it would be nice to see it in a good theater but some people don't even have a good theater near them. The studios hope to see you a ticket in the theater and then get you to shell out $19.99 for the DVD and if you are really dumb another 29.99 for the Blu-ray and then 24.99 for the special edition a few months later. That's how you make the most. Still making the movie available to watch from home at simultaneous to the theater release or shortly after would clearly reduce piracy. Also you need to consider, if you rent it as it comes out well then they can loss ots of ticket sales. Say you and your 20 buddies ( say a frat house) don load the movie to rent and put it up on the big screen with the in house theater. Thats 21 tickets not sold. Bottom line in the 21st c people want stuff when they want it and you need to make it available or they will get it by illegal means. In Asia, China in particular they have whole stores of in theater movies that are on DVD they don't bother to try to stop in. I means huge stores like block buster, every movie every show you want. The people want it they get it. Studios in America have more protection and want to hold onto the money for a long as possible. I know that's rambling but there are a lot of sides.
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by CD_ Rome July 24, 2008 5:04 AM PDT
I'm in Iraq and watching this copy was the only way I could see it. Yes, it was dark in places, but the quality was good enough so that I could enjoy it.
I bought the DVD Saturday night, so it must have been out sooner.
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by jonathan_a July 24, 2008 5:30 AM PDT
I saw 1 "cam recorded" movie in my life, and never again! Maybe... just maybe... if it's a bad movie and you really wanted to see what it was like before paying $12 to see it in theaters or buy it on DVD, maybe it might be worth checking out... but The Dark Knight is in Theaters, there's an IMAX version... why would anyone download a badly lit, badly recorded and you'll actually hear the audience laugh (during the funny scenes) for this epic of a movie? You lose out on the whole experience if you dare try watching this movie before seeing it in Theaters.
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by whattawookie July 24, 2008 7:25 AM PDT
The bottom line is, these movies (that we chomp at the bit to see), cost millions of dollars to make in the first place. Like The Dark Knight, from what I have read, cost roughly $180 million to make. So, of course the ones who pay for it want to make as much money as they can off of it, for a couple of reasons.

1. $180 million is alot of money
2. There is no guarantee that any movie will make money, even with the pre-release hype that some get. It may be a flop, and not make half as much as it cost to create, meaning that those who created it, are out millions of dollars that they will never see again. Its a big risk to make a movie.
3. Those who create movies, all of them in the business, are just that: part of the business. This is their job, to make movies for the rabid fans. Of course they want to make money and get paid to do their job. It is a very risky job. I would hate to go to work every day and worry about if I am going to get paid for the work that I have done. Of course some would argue that when they do get paid, it is rediculous amounts of money. But at the same token, if the movie flops, then they lose a rediculous amount of money.

When Big hollywood companies do something like try to crackdown on internt piracy, we as the consumers get angry, for something that most of us dont even do. But the bottom line is, these big hollywood companies are just protecting their interests, the same as anyone else, you and me. Its just on a much larger scale.
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by r13k1 July 27, 2008 7:40 AM PDT
You are missing the most important part of why people are sick of the whining of Hollywood, whattawookie! If any of us poor slobs could go to work tomorrow and get paid $30,000,000 dollars for 6 months work, not one of us would whine about piracy. Rich people who have everything are not on my list of people I feel sorry for. Go pirates and force these greedy, self righteous, pampas ***** to get paid what they are really worth! This includes the studio heads that put out anything that will pull a buck! 60 dollars equals a half days pay for most of us to see a movie with your family.
by Benf July 24, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
The last movie I went to see at a theatre was Jaws.
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by msims July 24, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
The real issue here is why people pirate illegal copies of movies these days are the high ticket prices and to avoid those annoyingly stupid commercials of which almost all multiplex theaters show a full 15 minutes worth and the previews haven't even started yet!\
This is why I usually arrive 10 to 15 minutes after the posted show times just to avoid them.
The studios need to understand that honest paying customers really want to be entertained by a film that has a good script, good actors and good entertainment from a film. The last thing that customers want are to see commercials which are the least things to see. We get those on not only TV but in our newspapers, radio, internet cellphones and I'll bet my hunches that they will be comming soon to an iPod or PSP near you folks! If not already! Yuck! I'm fed up with it!

I did not pay $10.00 simply to be brought or sold on anything. I just want to see a good movie with good actors and lots of action and have a good time with my friends just like everyone else does and if they could only remove those insipid commercials from the theater then it will be worth my $10.00.

Lets face it. Most theater chains get nearly 60 percent of their profit share from concessions alone and on top of that the studios from that $10.00 get a heafty portion of it
while the actors may lucky to get at least a quarter of that. Why do they need commercials in the theater when there are scores of billboards all over the theater itself selling popcorn?

Better yet since they have flat panel TVs mounted over the full length of the concession stands why don't they just reserve those for the commercials instead and not show them
inside the theater? A very good question here if I do say so myself.

The Dark Night fits my criteria as a good film with excellent actors such as the Joker (played by the the late Heath Legend) which will be worth the full price of my $10.00 to see!
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by YRG2012 July 24, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
I, like you, used to get upset wondering why global corporations would not modernize to maximize profits and stop loss of income due to the proliferation of consumer recording devices. But now I realize that we are in the late stage of global capitalism and it's not my job to help large companies make more money off of me. Movie studios will soon be marginalized by gaming companies as the last of the film fans age and are replaced by the younger interactive generation, who needs much more stimulation to be distracted than their older ancestors.
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