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July 13, 2008 5:00 AM PDT

Steve Wozniak out of line at iPhone store?

by Greg Sandoval

Steve Wozniak sits with friends before he allegedly got up to cut in line at a San Jose Apple store

(Credit: Doug Broussard)

Updated at 10 a.m. PDT with comment from Steve Wozniak.

Steve Wozniak helped create Apple. He's worth millions. He's a hero to geeks the world over.

Would he really pretend to wait in line for Apple gadgets?

That's the claim of some perturbed customers who say that Wozniak--contrary to media reports--did not wait in line all night in front of the Apple Store at Westfield Valley Fair Mall in San Jose, Calif., to buy an iPhone 3G.

In fact, according to Doug and Patrice Broussard, Woz actually never waited in line at all. The couple, who were there, said the Apple co-founder lounged on some of the mall's nearby sofas for about four hours and then ambled up to the front of the queue when the store opened at 8 a.m and simply cut in line. No discussion.

And he wasn't alone. He had his posse in tow, say the Broussards, who photographed the Woz playing big shot. Didn't anybody say anything?

No. Doug Broussard said it all happened too quickly and, well, who's going to send the creator of the Apple II to the end of the line?

Still, the Broussards said the people who saw it were unhappy.

Who doesn't know the politics of waiting in lines? Taking cuts is bad form, even for VIPs. But those who give them to friends--six friends--risk a butt kicking from those behind in line.

On Friday, when the iPhone 3G went on sale, Apple stores were letting in only about 30 people at a time. This means seven people who might have spent hours in that mall waiting could have gone home sooner had it not been for the Woz and his buddies.

Wozniak could not be reached to comment Saturday night, but he did respond to this report in the CNET News' TalkBack section, asserting that he had been invited by the store staff to be in the front of the line and that store staff had cleared it with those already in front (read his entire response here):

I told them I would come at 10 AM and get in line and they told me back that the line would be short and they had talked to the people in front and that the people in front WANTED me to go first. I discussed the fact that I'd be with a small group too. The Apple store staff also said that the chairs and table in front of the store would be reserved for me. So sitting in those chairs I was in line. I am thankful for the chairs. I'm actually older than almost everyone in the lines these days.

Woz, just after he and about six friends jumped to the head of the line.

(Credit: Doug Broussard)

Is this the end of the world? Not likely. But if the Broussards' account is accurate, it was unfair and, in Wozniak's case, unnecessary.

Besides, by his own admission, he doesn't even have to wait. He's boasted in the past that Apple's other Steve would send him an iPhone special if he asked. If Wozniak pulls these stunts to prove that even he is willing to wait for the iPhone, then it's a cheap PR move at best.

If he's trying to show that he's still one of the geeks who is willing to camp out for the hottest gadgets, he shouldn't bother if he's only going to demand perks.

What I do know is that Wozniak enjoys a positive public image in Silicon Valley. He's seen as the approachable and humble genius, which contrasts nicely with the aloofness of Steve Jobs, Apple's other co-founder and CEO.

Why mess with that?

"I certainly don't mean Woz any ill will," said Doug Broussard. "But his resources and pull in the Valley should be used for more than jumping in line when the new gadgets come out."

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by dssoren July 13, 2008 5:26 AM PDT
Don't waste my time with stupid stories like this. Tabloid news, you're no better of a reporter than TMZ.
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by QuetzalcoatlUSA July 13, 2008 7:47 AM PDT
Find me a tabloid that would ever cover Steve Wozniak.
by inverse137 July 14, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
Glad you think he is a better reporter...I just see another hack playing journalist.
by Constable Odo July 13, 2008 5:44 AM PDT
I like the story. The only unlucky person is the guy who is told the person in front of him got the last iPhone they had in stock. These types of things happen in New York City too. Celebrities are allowed to cut in line to get the iPhone. Celebs always get a break. It's like an earned right or something. If nobody complained, then so be it. I need to become famous to earn those special privileges. I'm the rich and famous so and so, mind if I cut in? Gee thanks. Haha.
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by halfbeer July 13, 2008 6:03 AM PDT
Come on, guys! It's Woz! Get over it. If you're a fan of Apple enough to stand hours in line for an iPhone, you should respect the Woz. If I were there I would have gotten his autograph and stopped whining. BTW- you notice that no one kicked him out or gave him a hard time. So there is no need for this artice, imo.
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by edfaulkner July 13, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
+1 on this comment exactly. "Know your roots" and respect the Woz. He's not "just" a celebrity. Looks like 'halfbeer' is 1/2 full, not 1/2 empty! :-)
by willytheimpeached July 13, 2008 6:03 AM PDT
This is news? A liberal demanding special privileges, pushing the regular guy out of the way is old hat. Its a do as I say world for them and theres really no major media to call them on it. Lets face it this great PR Woz gets is simply because thins like this never get out. If he were a right winger this would be HUGE news, PMSNBCABCCBSCNN would be running loops of the boorish republican. Here, no problem.
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by Micah_2008 July 13, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
Uh...what are you talking about? This isn't a liberal/conservative debate..I don't know many company's who won't let the founder(s) have what they want...Since you want to talk politics...you match the ****** mad at the world stance of Conservatives!!! Congrats!
by TheRealWizardling July 16, 2008 3:43 AM PDT
Congrats on believing this bullsh*t story. Way to get sucked in fool.
by Lancaster7 July 13, 2008 6:06 AM PDT
I don't believe this story for a second, and I agree with dssoren above - this is tabloid-level garbage.
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by tremorfireheart July 14, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
there was an individual who commented on another article about the apple Iphone waiting. Stating similarly to the effect and content of this article. my night as an Iphone fanboy look at galaxy's response. one source is a rumor but two seems more substantial.
by timhodgson July 13, 2008 6:27 AM PDT
Wow. Is Woz really that fat?
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by chrisaroz July 13, 2008 6:28 AM PDT
Seriously, a story about line cutting? What is this, 7th grade?
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by AICAP Group July 13, 2008 6:35 AM PDT
Well. I admire his initial accomplishment but otherwise I do not see that he has done anything but get fatter. What has he done in the last years and years? I don't like him and would have grabbed his fat behind and stopped him from getting in front if I was in that line, no question. I am not against him, but he seems like just a fat slob with money and no job. While his initial design was fantastic, much of what he offered to the deign, namely open platform, has been extinguished by the many controlled and proprietary locked up apps and machines that Apple now sells. The ton of lard could try and influence the company towards more open designs, but I don't see him doing anything in the real world except catching admiration from geeks. I think he is a punk-best regards.
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by an0m0ly July 13, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
Dude...
Before you make off-the-cuff, insulting remarks, make a couple of extra keystrokes and look up your target at Wikipedia, i.e., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak#Post-Apple_career. He's still on the payroll... he didn't need to go to the store to get a 3G; he just did. Reason? Probably not anything we can guess.
by Magallanes July 13, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
an0m0ly: so the latest contribution was the universal remote control ?. can you say LOL?
by themick171 July 13, 2008 6:27 PM PDT
what is your problem. You are the type of guy who screams something and then hides when asked who it was. Chicken. Guarantee you would be less smart in public. Why should Woz have to follow your plan fro him to work, he has plenty to do and loads of cash to do it. What crap. Why kill himself at this age? He needs to think of winding down. This is disgraceful pointless article
by Micah_2008 July 13, 2008 11:52 PM PDT
Ok first..he's done more in his life than you ever will...
Second...why work if you have money? Poor people work to be able to live. Are you jealous because he gets to enjoy life instead of constantly working a dead end low paying job just to get the bills paid?

Ok..the burgers need flipped.
by giyad July 13, 2008 6:43 AM PDT
I don't get it, why did he have to go to the store to get one? I don't think Mosberg had to, or Jobs..., Woz shouldn't either
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by troyallen July 16, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
He has stated that even though Apple can send him one, he want the experience of standing line line like everyone else.
by FredSmit July 13, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
Greg Sandoval...Ok, a humble and approachable genius who was cofounder of Apple may have cut in line at an Apple store. If someone wanted to talk to him while he was there they could have enjoyed the experience.
Doug and Patrice Broussard instead whine about the experience and you write a lousy article. Get a clue
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by SteveWoz July 13, 2008 7:18 AM PDT
The real privilege is that the Apple store staff had arranged in advance for me to sit in chairs rather than stand until opening.

The day before, I received an email asking me to come to that Valley Fair mall store. My intent had been to wait all night at the Apple store here in Los Gatos, the one I ride my Segway past every week. But I have good relationship with many workers at the Valley Fair store. I always take time to chat with them and even share small gifts that I have. Not with whoever the managers are, but rather the floor staff.

I told them I would come at 10 AM and get in line and they told me back that the line would be short and they had talked to the people in front and that the people in front WANTED me to go first. I discussed the fact that I'd be with a small group too. The Apple store staff also said that the chairs and table in front of the store would be reserved for me. So sitting in those chairs I was in line. I am thankful for the chairs. I'm actually older than almost everyone in the lines these days.

Some of my group arrived earlier but I arrived at 4 AM. I told the store staff that I was fine with being behind the small assortment of people in line already but they would have none of it. I pressed against this "first" privilege but I give in easily when pressed by others. They assured me that the people in the front of the line had already insisted that I go first. It's like the first people wanted me to go first. That's how I was told it.

Some of the ones in front did come over and chat with me in the early hours and whenever I said that I'd go behind them, they wouldn't hear of it.

This was NOT a case of arriving at the last minute and cutting in line. Were that the case I would have arranged some back-door iPhone. I did stand in the store until 11:15 to get my 2 iPhones, and later that night I got them the way I wanted (numbers) at an AT&T store. We all know how bad the experience was.

As for the nature of people in line, I remember last year's launch. I was in the same privileged chairs all night and online we constantly saw people in line selling their spots. We could even identify which they were. The line is not made entirely of super Apple fans.

My friends are almost all low-level interesting tech enthusiasts and developers. I don't hang with the privileged crowd of CEO's. I chat with everyone everywhere. When people are insisting that I go ahead of them, I'm not strong enough to fight them off. In this case, it was a minor issue.

Beware of the image and headlines from these gadget reporter types. They said I bashed Apple once because I said the price drop of the iPhone was too fast too soon. They hadn't paid attention to the technology news because Steve Jobs had apologized on behalf of Apple and offered $100 compensation (in addition to the $200 you got back from American Express for price protection in such cases). I should have been accused of plagiarism instead of bashing. In a later case, I was accused of bashing Apple because I said that the iPhone should have 3G. A year before Steve Jobs had said that EDGE was a bit slow. I guess they had missed that tech news too. It's easy to write these sort of headlines but you can pull the truth out if you want to.

Hope to encounter you all on the streets!
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by an0m0ly July 13, 2008 7:51 AM PDT
I hope cnet has the guts to move this comment up in line so that people will get the whole story on page one. Steve, my respect for you has increased even more because you took the time to write a gracious clarification in replay to some sloppy reporting. Keep doing all your good works; I hope to see you out with Kathy again soon!
by arvvvs July 13, 2008 7:58 AM PDT
Out of curiosity, how can you prove that you are Steve Wozniak. No offense, but there has to be verification. While your story does sound real by teh level of detail... Trust but verify.
by an0m0ly July 13, 2008 8:19 AM PDT
His username is SteveWoz.

He's been a member since April 5, 2000.

I looked it up.
by arvvvs July 13, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
Same here an0m0ly but it could always be a fan. I always like to verify.
by tvleavitt July 13, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
Tell me, who in Silicon Valley *wouldn't* be o.k. with letting Woz cut in line ahead of them? Give me a break! How many Apple fanatics willing to stand in line for hours just to get their hands on an iPhone wouldn't be thrilled to be in the same line with the Woz?
by transnote July 13, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
I've got to say, and I was at Valley Fair as well (this year and last) in line, everything Woz says above is completely true. Not only that, from 4am on he had a constant stream of line-goers whom he chatted with and was totally great. Who else would chat and pose for pictures for hours upon hours with people he hardly knows.

Everyone in line was fine with and it was completely planned on the Apple side, including his invitation. He was in store for hours like everyone else trying to get activated - and people chatted him up during that.

In short, the CNET story is wrong.
by Bob_Katopolis July 13, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
Woz,
You are the man. I hope to encounter you around town also. Don't let the hacks get you down.
by armand45 July 13, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
Well doubters, The Woz told the exact same story the night BEFORE when he was on with Leo laporte during Leo's 24 hr iphone coverage.
by kenkarch July 13, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
Steve,
How crazy is it that someone like you would even have to respond to this? I am impressed that you did though.
by armand45 July 13, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
Do you think that the guy that wrote this story is just sitting around chuckling to himself? happy that he was able to get some traffic for his site? Maybe someday he will learn to be a real reporter. Until then he should go to work for TMZ.
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by rdupuy11 July 13, 2008 7:36 AM PDT
There is a difference between waiting for the store to open, and waiting in line.
It just seems one observer became confused. Steve doesn't have to wait in line, and he wasn't waiting in line, he was hanging out at the mall with friends, and when the store opened, they got their phones.

Look, all you have to do, is invent the Apple II.
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by casademike July 13, 2008 7:38 AM PDT
And CNET writers continue to make the site more and more of an absolute joke. I am not sure what is more pathetic. that fact you tried to pass this story off as news OR the fact that you actually wrote as many words as you did trying to pass this off as solid journalism.

Shame on the writer and shame on CNET.
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by moav July 13, 2008 7:41 AM PDT
I did the same thing at the apple store here in Orlando. I got in line then told the Apple guy that I have a medical condition that prevents me for standing for long periods of time. He said, go sit on the couch in view of the line. He asked the person in front of me and in back if it was ok and they said sure as long as I stay within eyesight of them. A couple times I actually went back in line to hold the place of others that had to pee. No, harm no foul.
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by an0m0ly July 13, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
*sigh* Slow news day, Mr Sandoval? There are other targets worthy of TMZ treatment. But a quick glance at Woz' post-Apple career (the first commercial universal remote, philanthropy, teaching 5th-graders, etc.) ought to tell you that repeating this rumor isn't real journalism. How about trying to get a statement? Or asking why a paid employee of Apple is standing in line rather than getting his 3G delivered to his home, early? Are you jealous that he's dating Kathy Griffin?
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by jscott418 July 13, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
I think Woz is a idiot for even getting a iphone this way. I am sure he could just get one prior to them being available to the general public. He seems a bit of a pompous ass for what he did.
But then again this is Apple we are talking about here. I do like Apple products, but some of their marketing just creates problems when new products come out.
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by TheRealWizardling July 16, 2008 3:49 AM PDT
Is EVERYONE who got an iPhone by arriving to queue in the early hours of the morning an idiot? Or is Steve singled out for special treatment because Apple insisted he jump in ahead and the vast majority of the people in the line including everyone at the front was ok with that?
by StephenMacklin July 13, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
So some people who "had to have" an iPhone within minutes of it going on sale had to wait a few minutes more and we're supposed to be what, outraged? disgusted? disappointed?

Grow up.

If you're juvenile enough to wait in line for hours or days in some cases to by a phone the rest of us don't want to hear you whine.

If I decide to get one, I'l go next week or next month or maybe six months from now. I won't have to wait in line. I'll pay the same price. And my phone will activated when I buy it.
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by DistortedLoop July 13, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
"If you're juvenile enough to wait in line for hours or days in some cases to by a phone the rest of us don't want to hear you whine."

Didn't keep you from reading the article and the comments and adding your own 2-cents worth of comments. ;-)

You've never stood in line for a movie, or a table at a popular restaurant, or a sporting event? Why's that any different? Give the line-waiters a break instead of slamming them. We all have different values of our time and what's worth doing? Just because you don't think it's worth it, it isn't? Only your opinion counts? A few hours is my limit, days doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not going to call someone names because they have a different set of values.
by cristianodiaz July 13, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
I didn't think cnet could take their preposterous amount of iPhone coverage to even new levels of absurdity, but I was wrong. I can't stop laughing at the utter stupidity of this non-story. If Steve Wozniak did in fact OMG skip to the front of the line, good for him. Being outraged about that is almost as stupid as standing in line in the first place.
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by mrc77 July 13, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
I think this has something to do with Kathy Griffin!
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by garyts July 13, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
Do you actually think Kathy Griffin looks that good? Remember Steve Woz is probably wealthier than Hugh Heffner and look at the kind of women his money can buy!
by Asianne July 13, 2008 8:03 AM PDT
Does it really matter? There are so many other reasons he could've been there looking as if he was waiting in line, and besides, it's WOZ! I'd open my spot for the guy anytime. What's even sillier than this article is the notion that you would think fans would turn their heads on him, cutting a line at any popular location is a standard for any VIP.
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