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August 11, 2009 5:54 PM PDT

RealNetworks loses critical ruling in RealDVD case

by Greg Sandoval
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A federal court has found enough evidence to decide that RealDVD, the software that enables users to copy DVDs and store digital duplicates on a hard drive, violates U.S. copyright law.

Facet, the DVD player that copied and stored digital movies, will not be hitting store shelves anytime soon.

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U.S. District Court Judge Marilyn Patel on Tuesday issued a preliminary injunction that will prevent RealNetworks from selling the $30 software until a jury can decide the issue. That will undoubtedly keep RealDVD and Facet, Real's prototype DVD player, off store shelves for an indefinite period. Facet also makes digital copies and stores them to a built in hard drive.

The decision represents a major victory for the film studios, which had accused Real of violating the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and breach of contract in a lawsuit filed last fall. Had the decision gone against the film studios and its trade group, the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), it would have been an affirmation that consumers have the right to copy their DVDs for personal use. Right now, when a DVD owner loses or breaks a disc, they conceivably must purchase another copy. RealDVD and Facet eliminate the need for discs once copies are made.

But the MPAA argued that Facet and RealDVD are pirate tools that enabled users to copy and redistribute movies and could cost the industry billions. The MPAA has maintained that under the DMCA, consumers do not have the right to copy films--ever.

"We are very pleased with the court's decision," MPAA Chairman and CEO Dan Glickman said in a statement. "This is a victory for the creators and producers of motion pictures and television shows and for the rule of law in our digital economy. Judge Patel's ruling affirms what we have known all along: Real took a license to build a DVD-player and instead made an illegal DVD-copier."

Bart Williams, attorney who argued case for the studios.

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"We are disappointed that a preliminary injunction has been placed on the sale of RealDVD," Real said in a statement. The company that makes entertainment software said it would have more to say after it had reviewed Patel's decision.

The big question for Real is whether it has the stomach to continue the fight. The legal fees have already set Real back more than $6 million.

"RealDVD makes a permanent copy of copyrighted DVD content," Patel wrote in her decision, "and by doing so breaches its (Content Scramble System) License Agreement with the (DVD Copy Control Association, the group that oversees the protection of DVDs for the major Hollywood studios) and circumvents a technological measure that effectively controls access to or copying of the Studios' copyrighted content on DVDs."

In her decision, Patel made a play on words using Vegas--Real's code name for RealDVD--to illustrate how the software could lead to the mass pirating of movies.

"Had Real's products been manufactured differently, i.e., if what happened in Vegas really did stay in Vegas," Patel continued, "this might have been a different case. But, it is what it is. Once the distributive nature of the copying process takes hold, like the spread of gossip after a weekend in Vegas, what's done cannot be undone."

Patel's decision is unlikely to surprise anyone who followed the case. During last year's hearings on a temporary injunction and last spring's proceedings on the preliminary injunction, Patel appeared highly skeptical of Real's arguments.

In her questions to both sides' attorneys, Patel seemed concerned about the potential for people to use RealDVD and Facet, to copy rented discs without compensating the creators, a practice known as "rent, rip, and return."

One glaring hole in Real's argument was its assertions that RealDVD didn't circumvent ARccOS and RipGuard because they really aren't anticopying software; and that Real had licensed CSS, the technology designed to prevent unauthorized copying of DVDs, so it was essentially authorized to do what it wanted with it.

The MPAA crushed these arguments in proceedings. The studios showed that both ARccOS and RipGuard are anticopying technologies used by some of the major film studios as a layer of piracy protection in addition to CSS. The studios' lawyers produced documents that revealed ARccOS and RipGuard were effective enough copy protections to stymie Real's engineers, as well as a group of "Ukranian hackers," from cracking them.

One other important detail: ARccOS and RipGuard are not included in the CSS license. By circumventing the technology, Real had risked violating the DMCA, which prohibits the cracking of antipiracy technologies. And that's exactly what happened.

"Real was aware of ARccOS and RipGuard during the development of the RealDVD products," Patel wrote in her 58-page decision. "Real software engineers identified ARccOS and RipGuard as both copy protection systems and barriers to their development of a DVD copying device from the outset of the RealDVD project."

While the courtroom showdown was first billed as a fight over RealDVD, it soon became clear that what was really at stake for Real was Facet.

Real CEO Rob Glaser demonstrated the device in court last spring and showed how an owner could move between films--it holds more than 70--in a way similar to how someone scrolls through an iTunes playlist. I wrote that the device could have helped spur flagging DVD sales and given DVD collectors, such as myself, a way to revitalize their movie collections.

Hollywood, however, is working on its own programs to give consumers access to digital copies after buying a CD. But the studios typically want additional money for the digital copy.

So, now we wait to hear whether Real will carry on the fight. However it turns out, the company has earned kudos from anticopyright proponents for waging the campaign. The question is whether carrying the flag for the free-content crowd is enough of a payoff.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by BeamerMT August 11, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
It would be nice if people would become informed about the DMCA and send a clear message to the MPAA and others of what we want to be able to do with our movies and music. No I do not advocate picracy, however It would be nice if I could legally make backup copies of my dvds and music with no fear of a huge lawsuit.
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by bigpicture August 11, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
You are missing the whole point, it is about value to the consumer. If you take the crap content that is produced by these groups, then add resolution degrading encryption, then the fact that a back-up copy can't be made. The product is essentially valueless.

So the whole thing is not a debate for me any more, I simply do not buy, rent or even go to movie theaters any more, and I suspect that there will be many more who will take this approach. It is the politicians who passed this bill that are to blame, the corrupt bastards who are bought by the recording companies (money in their freezers) and who give away public money to useless bastard banks. You know the politicians who represent the public interest??? They will all get what is coming to them, "they reap what they sow".
by sporgo August 11, 2009 9:31 PM PDT
You should have no fear of being sued because you have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting caught pirating content. Unless you do something stupid like turning yourself in or answering one of those "settlement" letters which are a scam.

I see most judges are still completely out of touch with society at large and continue to pass useless rulings that virtually no one will abide by. The world is changing and stuffy old people like this judge and those MPAA lawyers are going to be left behind and forgotten.
by opiapr August 12, 2009 12:36 AM PDT
I am so confuse 20 minutes ago I was sure the RIAA was the worst. Now I am having some doubts.
by wolivere August 12, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
@bigpicture

I am confused as how people are expected to earn a living? Making a movie is not cheap, make a record is not cheap. People who enter these various professions do so with the idea of earning a living.

If all there work is *free* to everyone since some like your self feel there work is crap, then don't buy it someone else may love the crap.

But just because your view is that its crap does not mean it should be free. You may find a car out there that you feel is crap, should it be free?

How about that house? Is it crap maybe is should be free?

You know the local football team sucks, maybe admission should be free?

So when everything is free? We don't need money right? I am confused by all this everything should be free idea.

Like it or not money makes the world work.
by Renegade Knight August 12, 2009 8:29 AM PDT
@wolivere

I think you missed bigpictures main point. Value is in the eye of the beholder. The MPAA and RIAA degrade the value of their products with DRM and other restrictions on use. In other words they work hard to prevent the enjoyment and that enjoyment is what gives music and movies value.
by Ian Rodriguez August 12, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
Wolivere-
I'm all for paying for content. I'd love to purchase CDs and DVDs again. I'd like to listen to music again but, with the extra charges on Sirius/XM and the fact that radio is a marketing tool, not a payment tool, the fact that I can't backup my CD's and DVDs when I have kids that are typically destructive and the fact that once I own the rights to view a movie or listen to a CD, I have to pay again if the disc is scratched, I won't buy them anymore. If I am just granted the ability to backup my content as allowed in the BetaMax ruling, I'd start purchasing again. If record labels remembered that radio is a marketing tool to drive record sales, I'd buy CDs again. Yes, I still have my XM subscription but, I only listen to sports and talk now. I won't support an industry out of control and taking away my rights to use what I legally purchased.
by tongxinshe August 12, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
wolivere, so you feel that people working on the recording industry and the movie industry are those who earn the least in the world, right?

We are talking about making backup copy of the DVD I purchased so that I don't need to buy 2 copies or more just because I know one or more of them will break soon. Not everyone in the world are only interested in pirate copies just because they are available. No matter what, there are laws to prevent people from publicly selling pirate copies, anyway!

Why don't this judge stop the sports tools companies from selling baseball bats, just because baseball bats can be used as a tool for killing or hurting people. How about stopping car manufacturers from selling cars since it can be used as a tool to hit buildings and even for terrorist attack?
by BeamerMT August 11, 2009 6:42 PM PDT
Oh and another thing I dont get is why didn't RealNetworks find some way to 'backup' dvds without breaking CSS? I'm sure it can be done, that way they dont have that much of a leg to stand on, at least in that venue. Every time I read about backing up music or movies, especially movies, they always use the CSS thing as an escape goat.
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by radiophonicus August 11, 2009 7:11 PM PDT
What the hell is an escape goat?
by cvaldes1831 August 11, 2009 8:30 PM PDT
An "escape goat" is probably a scapegoat to people who understand that CSS is the encryption that protects DVDs from being copied, unlike BeamerMT.
by BeamerMT August 11, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
I know what CSS is, as for escape goat or scapegoat, you got the meaning, so quit being a jerk about it.
by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
They DIDN'T break CSS to do this. They basically ripped the WHOLE freaking disc in an .ISO type file, then encrypted it with THEIR encryption.
The judge simply MADE THE WRONG FREAKINIG RULING, and I seriously hope that Real appeals this decision.

Really though...... PIRACY IS THE LIFE FOR ME! It's things like this that make me even LESS willing to spend my money on the MPAA and RIAA's products, and I've heard the same from other people.
With these lawsuits, they are just making themselves look stupid and are making people get pissed with them and turn away from buying ANYTHING from them.
by jklank August 12, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
Lerianis3: Except that the reason the RIAA and MPAA exist is because of piracy. If there wasn't any piracy happening, they wouldn't exist to begin with. So people like you facilitate organizations like this, that do these things.
by sandonet August 11, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
They tried to, even hired a group from the Ukrain that the MPAA told the judge were hackers. They couldn't do it, or at least not to the extent to convince the judge.
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by cohaver August 11, 2009 6:52 PM PDT
Who protecting the Customer from poor DVD Quality that scratches after 10 plays. Now Blue Ray DVD'S can be sold for $49.95 each Next their coming after yard sale DVD'S . It little outer limits sounding but true. Action speak louder than words
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by monkeyfun14 August 11, 2009 8:05 PM PDT
If your dvd player is scratching your DVD's then you need to take it back because it's obviously defective.
by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT
Actually, monkeyfun14, no, they are not defective when they do this. Players do get dust in them, blow it around by the action of the motor, and scratch discs. Not a defect, just a known issue, and the main reason why I want a right to back up my DVD's.
by pixelm1 August 11, 2009 6:54 PM PDT
That's basically the right question. Real might have worked out a deal with the studios on backup copies if they didn't take shortcuts and allow people to making illegal copies of dvd's they DON'T own. Seems like a solvable problem, but they should have tried and not taken a short cut that creates a big hole for piracy. Blu-Ray does allow a backup copy, by the way. It would be nice if the studios and dvd player companies could figure out a way to do it on DVD as well without creating the piracy problem..
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by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT
No, Blu-Ray does NOT allow a backup copy. Read the specifications for the things.... NOWHERE does it say that you can make a backup of a Blu-Ray disc.
by Renegade Knight August 12, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
@ Lerianis3

No where does it say I can make a mix cd and give it to my friend, but I can, and it's fair use. Making a back up of your property is fair use. Breaking copy protection to do it is against the law via the DMCA.
by cohaver August 12, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
Beginning next year, studios and other content holders will be required to give consumers the ability to make one copy of any Blu-ray Disc they buy," says the article (via Engadget). Sounds great -- movie studios and others finally realizing that people should be able to freely back up DVDs they legitimately purchase. The devil, of course, is in the details. While discs will have to support this "managed copy" feature, it will require new hardware, and there's no mandate that DVD player manufacturers include support for it at all. The copy, as you'd expect, is all DRM'ed up, and in order to make the copy, the Blu-ray player will have to connect to an "authorization server". This is the sort of model that's caused lots of problems in the past, when companies decide to pull the plug on the servers, rendering the feature useless. But the biggest potential problem with the feature is that movie studios and others will be free to charge whatever they wish for it. That means this really isn't a backup or a copy at all, it's simply the distribution means for the latest incarnation of the entertainment industry's favorite business model: getting people to pay for the same content over and over. That's why the studios want to block things like Real DVD -- not because they'll increase piracy, but because they cut off the only business model the studios can see for digital conten
by WingTech August 11, 2009 7:02 PM PDT
The sad thing about this is the fact that the film industry calls this a victory, when all they are doing is angering the people who actually pay for their stuff. Do they really think that this will even effect piracy when there are hundreds of other programs with the same capabilities out there? The fact is that the pirates won't really care and the ones left out to dry will be us, the morons that actually pay to buy their movies which we aren't even allowed to backup now.

What's next? , making it illegal to put the movie on your ipod?
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by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT
Don't give them ideas! If you mention this, they will try to do that.
by luc_vdv August 12, 2009 4:52 AM PDT
According to them, it already IS illegal to copy a movie to your iPod. Or to make whatever copy anywhere, anywhen and by whatever means.
by gerrrg August 11, 2009 7:06 PM PDT
There was never a question that they would lose, because they violated the DMCA's tight control over breaking copyright protection software/code. The matter needs to reach the Supreme Court to find out if the DMCA itself is a violation of the fair use ruling.
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by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:42 PM PDT
Which it bluntly is. The DMCA and CSS bluntly violate the 'Fair Use' exemptions in earlier laws, which were NEVER REPEALED.
by CyR00k August 11, 2009 7:19 PM PDT
"the MPAA argued that Facet and RealDVD were pirate tools that would have enabled users to copy and redistribute movies and cost the industry billions."

And every automobile on the road has the potential to run over pedestrians and crash through buildings. If you believe Apple, then every cell phone on the planet is a potential threat to national security. So what. Very nearly everything has the potential to be used criminally but until a crime is committed by a small segment of society no one gets to say that the potential to commit a crime is the same thing as committing a crime. And when/if a crime is committed you convict the person who committed the crime not the innocent bystanders who drive their cars safely, don't destroy the world's telecommunications infrastructure, don't pirate films and music, etc. The cartels (MPAA, RIAA) need to be told that the citizens of the world are not their *****, they have the burden of proof, they always have had and so long as they exist always will have to demonstrate conclusively that a crime has been committed. Something which they have long admitted they don't ever even hope to have to ability to do.
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by Anonymous Hero August 11, 2009 7:27 PM PDT
Judge Patel is an enemy of anything even remotely related to technological progress. I can't believe that she is still inflicting damage, 10 years after Napster.
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by SaturatedFats August 11, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
Ben Sheffner, an attorney who writes the Copyrights & Campaigns blog, has uploaded the order to http://www.scribd.com/doc/18469550/RealDVD-Preliminary-Injunction-Order
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by budeverett August 11, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
There must be more to this story than what is being reported. Real Networks is a legitimate company which is trying to make software to allow people to make backup copies of their movies. There is already plenty of software available which people can download to make copies, not only on their hard drives, but also allows them to make DVD's. Why is the MPAA going after Real Networks? Real Networks must have done something to anger the MPAA.
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by sandonet August 11, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
look up Facet. That's the story. That was really at issue. I'll add more about the DVD player in my updates.
by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:46 PM PDT
sandonet, it doesn't matter if Facet could be used to 'rip rented movies'. The STANDARD OF THE LAW is does the thing in question have legitimate NON-INFRINGING usages...... unfortunately, the judges have been being ******** and IGNORING that part of the law in question, usually because they are being..... subverted by money from the MPAA and RIAA.

Yes, I said it: OUR JUDGES ARE FREAKING CORRUPT in this country. Have been for a LOOOOOOOOOONG time now.
by damiandennison August 11, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
This is not stopping people from making illegal copies. This is only stopping the legal fear use.

What I find disgusting is that they do not have a solution for when some one buys a legal movie and the gets damaged.

They have not learned their lessons from the napter days with mp3.
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by Ian Rodriguez August 12, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
Damian-
They have a solution, buy another.
by tiger_rf August 11, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
the entertainment industry is so stupid. dvd and cd copying is NO DIFFERENT than copying cassette tapes or vcr tapes which NO ONE EVER argued about. all they are doing is pissing off the consumers who will stop buying ANYTHING eventually for fear of a law suit.
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by opiapr August 12, 2009 12:33 AM PDT
"the entertainment industry is so stupid" valid point but I will said this lawsuit should be heard by competent judges not well stupid ones.
by Ian Rodriguez August 12, 2009 9:37 AM PDT
Tiger-
They did hear it... in the '70's and the '80's with the Sony followed by the BetaMax cases.
by clynx August 11, 2009 8:23 PM PDT
This studio fear nonsense is why the internet is now censored. Data caps = censorship. Make a good movie and the money will come. Once out it's out. Give it up. I don't expect a payment every time someone turns on the faucet I installed.
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by Lerianis3 August 11, 2009 9:45 PM PDT
You hit the nail on the head. If they make a GOOD movie, then they will get back their investment and then some.... but most of the movies for the past 10 years have been dross, outside of the children's movies.
by Ian Rodriguez August 12, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
Data caps are there for one reason: It's expensive to run copper and fiber. There is only so much bandwidth available. If you have one person taking up too much bandwidth, it degrades performance for others. Now, finding a carrier that can actually deal with your needs, that's the hard part. You can always get a DS3 installed at your home... then again, that's got a data rate cap too... how much data can you download 24x7x365 with ONLY 45mb of bandwidth?
by EcuadorHomesOnline August 11, 2009 10:19 PM PDT
With freedom comes responsibility. If you want the freedom to back up a DVD, then you have the responsibility to make sure you don't share copies with anyone else. Ever. Many people have been irresponsible, and have ruined it for the rest of us. The ruling is correct.
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by Renegade Knight August 12, 2009 8:33 AM PDT
Punishing the innocent because of the guilty is never correct.
by Ian Rodriguez August 12, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
In that mind frame, should I jail you because your neighbor murdered someone? Should I take away your cooking knives because of a stabbing in your county? Innocent until proven guilty. This is why I don't shop some places. You want to check my receipt and my goods before I walk out the door? I'm not guilty, why treat me that way?
by tornadoZp August 12, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
It makes me roll my eyes to see everyone whining on here, insisting that they should be able to make backup copies of every movie or CD they've purchased. Maybe y'all should learn how to take better care of your stuff. I'm careful with all the single copies of CDs and DVDs I've purchased and they've all worked just fine for many years. And believe it or not, I'm allowed to enjoy them whenever I want! Of course I expect to have to buy a new copy of I break or scratch one of them?just like I'd expect to have to pay for a new car if I accidentally run mine into a tree. Or do you think I should be given a replacement car for free, since I've already paid for one?
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by dumbspammers August 12, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
If your car was likely to become unusable in normal use, beofre the normal end-of-life and with reasonable care and handling, then you would indeed be entitled to a free replacement. That's how the law works for *everything* except digital media. Your inability to grasp this simple point shows that you are either brainwashed, or a paid "astroturfer" for the RIAA/MPAA.
by dwreid August 12, 2009 2:18 PM PDT
You are incredibly full of ****. Taking extra good care of your DVD does not guarantee that you will be able to play it forever. In fact, after a DVD is a few years old, it begins to oxidize and, depending on the quality of the DVD, will eventually become unplayable. By making a backup copy of my DVD I can watch it long after the physical media has gone bad. We're all happy that you can afford to replace your collection on a regular basis, providing that the movie you lost is still available.

Regarding your stupid car analogy, there is a difference between a car and digital data. Your car doesn't stop working if a bird **** on it but a DVD and the digital data that it stores does cease to work after only minor and superficial damage.
by unknown unknown August 12, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
Yeah that's it, kill the product that was an attempt to compromise between Hollywood's desire to stop piracy (as futile as they are) and the consumer's desire to back up media. Now people who want to copy their DVDs will just use one multitude of free DVD rippers that don't place any restrictions on the copy.

How can one industry be so brain dead.
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by tongxinshe August 12, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
The film studios should also sue Microsoft, Apple, Sun, HP and Redhat. All of these companies' operating systems have the functionality of duplicating digital files, thus making it possibly a tool to duplicate the digital copies of the movies, which are available on most of the recent DVDs.

As long as they can make sure this mAdamSS Marilyn Patel is still in charge of the case, they will earn a lot of money from all of the companies who sells operating systems.
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by dumbspammers August 12, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
The proper term for DRM is actually Technology Users' Rights Denial Systems. As long as consumers continue to purchases DVDs containing TURDS, the MPAA will will keep feeding you sh*t.

The whole trial is rather funny, really. I know of a local guy with over a terabyte of movie files on his hard drive, all of which were downloaded from Chinese Web sites - where US copyright laws are laughed at. He gets perfect quality and pays zero. RealNetworks only wanted to allow legitimate consumers, who actually paid for their DVDs, to make a convenient backup copy, but this ignorant judge is calling them criminals, so obviously the smart people are going to download from pirate sites, and not buy DVDs they aren't allowed to copy legally.
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by Thad Boyd August 12, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
"RealDVD makes a permanent copy of copyrighted DVD content."

The word "permanent" is, I think, key here, because of course you make a TEMPORARY copy of a movie every time you play a DVD on your computer -- to volatile memory. (This, incidentally, is why more complex encryption schemes, like AACS, are inevitably broken -- computers aren't magic black boxes, and decryption data has to be stored SOMEWHERE.)

"circumvents a technological measure that effectively controls access to or copying of the Studios' copyrighted content on DVDs."

Maybe "effectively" is one of those words that means something different in a legal context than in ordinary speech, because CSS is about as effective at copy protection as a piece of string would be for locking my front door. There are deCSS implementations that run less than half a kilobyte. CSS is a joke.

I wonder how half-assed a copy protection scheme would have to be before it was no longer covered under the DMCA's anti-circumvention clause. Could I make a program that simply says "Would you like to copy this program? [Yes/No] DO NOT CLICK YES" and claim that anyone who clicked Yes was circumventing my copy protection mechanism?
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