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July 31, 2009 10:17 AM PDT

Google pushes for new law on orphan books

by Tom Krazit
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MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--If those organizations attacking Google's book search settlement with publishers spent as much time lobbying Congress for better laws concerning those issues, perhaps the controversy would go away, Google's chief Book Search engineer suggested Thursday night.

Dan Clancy, Google Book Search head engineer, defends Google's Book Search settlement Thursday.

(Credit: Tom Krazit/CNET)

Google's quest to convince the world it has nothing to fear by its settlement with publishers came to the Computer History Museum Thursday where Dan Clancy, engineering director for Google Book Search, defended the settlement before a few hundred attendees who submitted written questions to John Hollar, president and CEO of the museum. Last year, Google settled a lawsuit filed by publishers with an agreement that gives it the right to scan books that have copyright protection but are out of print even if the rights holder of the work can't be located to grant permission: rights holders have until September to opt out of the settlement and forbid Google from scanning their books if they so choose. The settlement is not final, and a final hearing is scheduled for October to approve the settlement.

Clancy argued that the vast majority of rights holders have every reason to work with Google, given that books that have copyright protection but have fallen out of print can be given a new lease on life if they can be searched, read, and eventually purchased over the Internet. Book publishers lose interest in printing a book if demand is low, but the Internet makes it possible for books to be distributed at extremely low cost.

The problem is that Google's settlement makes it the only organization in the U.S. with the legal authority to scan and publish so-called "orphan works," or books that are still under copyright protection but whose rights holders can not be located. when it began scanning books in general, and the thinking is that anybody else who tried to scan an orphan work and compete with Google's offering would be forced to follow a similar legal path to obtain the same freedom.

The Internet Archive has been one of the more prominent critics of Google's Book Search settlement, and distributed a statement prior to Thursday's event saying just that. "...no one else has the same legal protections that Google has. Would the parties to the settlement amend the settlement to extend legal liability indemnification to any and all digitizers of orphan works? If not, why not leave orphans out of the settlement and compel a legislative solution instead of striking a private deal in a district court?"

Under the settlement, the Books Rights Registry is allowed to cut deals with other companies or organizations looking to digitize books, but they are not allowed to extend the same privileges Google enjoys with respect to orphan works, which Clancy estimated as about 10 percent of the books that are out of print but still protected by copyright.

That's why a legislative solution that fixes the problems concerning orphan works is the best outcome for everyone with a stake in book digitization, and Google is leaning on Congress to get such a law passed, Clancy said. Given the pressing issues before Congress at the moment--not to mention the complexity of copyright law--finding champions for such legislation has been difficult, he said.

Google thinks that by obtaining the right to digitize orphan works, it will stimulate demand for digital book scanning that eventually forces Congress to act. Any law passed to loosen restrictions on the use of orphan works would take precedent over Google's settlement.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by ancre007 July 31, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
There is already a law to deal with this. Its called anti-trust law. Google is using profits from its near monopolistic search business to subsidize its entry into a new area - exclusive access and electronic distribution for said 'orphan' books. Congress doesn't need to sign any new laws to look out for consumers on this front. The Justice Department just needs to step in and enforce existing laws.
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by alegr July 31, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
Not actionable. It's completely fair to use profits to enter into a new area.
And Google is not forcing you to use their search.
by i-arman July 31, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
Current copywrite law in the US is terrible - life of the author plus 70 to 120 years, depending. Which means that books, music, plays, movies, even sculptures or website designs created today have a *minimum* of 70 years before it can be copied by the public (ie, digitized).

If Google is barred from futher digitalization of orphaned books, then NO ONE will be able to do so, and the current copywrite laws will remain unchanged. However, if Google is allowed to digitize them, hopefully one day Congress will see that there is a good reason to allow everyone else to do so, too. Once again - if the Justice Department were to step in, it would HURT the consumer, not help them.
by jessiethe3rd July 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
Google has no right to scan and digitize copyrighted works. As Google attempts to "make information more open and accessible," it'll be interesting to see how much more we will become more dependent on one capitalistic company. This is just another example of something that needs to be public and openly available for citizens as a whole. The people need to control these types of endevours not a company whose soul purpose is to reap financial gain for its share holders.

Information was the last truly free area on the internet and Google has not only monetarized it, it has done it in a way that will leave us forever dependent on its services - more advertising, more profiling, more profiteering... so much for "Do no Evil."
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by Thad Boyd July 31, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
Did you actually RTFA? Because it looks an awful lot to me like Google is trying to get the same rights extended to other book scanners that have been extended to it.

The proof is, of course, in the pudding, and until any actual laws get passed it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of Google's motives. But they're at least paying lip service to the notion of copyright reform, which is more than most megacorporations do.
by InklingBooks July 31, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
I suspect we all know that it's a waste of time to expect anything practical from our current Congress. All it wants to do is toss money about in a frenzy of deficit spending. But Congress also can't do anything that would please Google, because what Google wants violates treaties we've signed with some 160 countries. Congress can make no law that violates those treaties any more than it can make a law that violates the Constitution.

That's particularly true of the Berne Convention, which specifies a minimum copyright term of life plus fifty years and no formal registration procedure for protection. Google wants to reduce that term to little more than a book going out-of-print. The Google settlement also demands that every book copyright holder on the planet register themselves with a private entity, the Book Rights Registry, or see their U.S. copyright set aside for all practical purposes. That also violates Berne.

It's now almost certain that the antitrust division of Justice Department will be involved in this dispute. I know from someone involved that they have asked the court to extend the date for them to file objections to September 18. The European Union also plans to hold hearings on the settlement in early September and is likely to file objections with the court, since many of those impacted are European writers. That's likely to introduce enough delay for countries closely linked to U.S. markets, such as Japan, Australia and New Zealand, to get involved.

A few months ago, the Google settlement seemed a 'done deal.' Now even Google executives such as Dan Clancy know it's in trouble. Unfortunately, they've still not faced the fact that the only real answer lies in negotiating new international treaties. Those treaties need to be adapted for the new digital age in a way that are fair to all involved and offer no special advantages to anyone.

--Michael W. Perry, Seattle
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by klassen1 August 3, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
I say we nullify the Berne Convention and go back to a more fundamental version of copyright: a fixed 20 years.
by Mergatroid Mania July 31, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
Why do they send an engineer to defend a legal decision?

Existing copyright law is quite clear, and if it was enforced Google would have no right to duplicate these works.

If I was a author of one of those books living in another country, I'd wait a couple of years and then I'd sue their a$$es off. N o one can sign away an authors rights unless they have been given permission by the author.
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by HeartofHistory July 31, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
The nature of orphaned works is that they are ORPHANED. If the whereabouts of the author or rightsholder was known, they wouldn't be considered orphaned works.

The way it stands now, if these works are not available on the used book market, then they aren't available at all. (There may be a few hidden in academic storage libraries, but those are rarely available to anyone but an academic.)

Over the years, there have been a few chosen for reprinting at very high cost, but most of these books are lost to us. Surely the authors would prefer their books to be read rather than dumped in the virtual landfill of inaccessibility.

Google is at least trying to make these inaccessible books available again. Who is going to do that if they don't?
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by kehandley July 31, 2009 1:39 PM PDT
Dan Clancy, Google Book Search head engineer? More like Dan Clancy, the eyes and ears of Val.
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by Cricker12 July 31, 2009 2:37 PM PDT
Most copyrights are owned by the publisher, not the author. Therefore they are rather easily traceable - even if the publisher went out of business, the rights were probably sold to another publisher.

I expect most "orphaned" books are ones that were printed in very limited runs and where the copyright was owned by the author. If the book is long out of print and the author or copyright holder can't be traced, whose "rights" are being violated? No one is making money off the book anyway and the information is inaccessible to the public. (A lot of genealogy books fall into this category).

It would seem to me that the best way to handle this situation would be for Congress to change the law. The idea of copyright law is to protect the economic rights of the creator of the work. If the book is consistently out of print there are no economic rights to protect, as neither the author or publisher is making any money off it. Therefore change the law so the copyright expires if the book is out of print for over ten consecutive years. It would then be considered "abandoned" and become public domain.

Publishers would then either have to keep the book available or give up the rights to it.
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by Michaelcapo August 2, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
Cricker12 said "Most copyrights are owned by the publisher, not the author. Therefore they are rather easily traceable - even if the publisher went out of business, the rights were probably sold to another publisher."

This simply isn't true. The vast majority of books are copyrighted in the name of the author. The author only licenses certain rights to the publisher, and most contracts allow the author to revert those rights when the book has gone out of print. The Googler Books Settlement recognizes this, and treats out of print books as belonging solely to the author in most cases, whether the rights have technically reverted or not.

Especially with works of fiction, the reverted rights may indeed have some value because the book can then be resold to a new publisher. It's not that unusual, I was able to re-sell a book originally published by Bantam to HarperCollins, and received a second advance, and the book was once again on the shelves of bookstores.

And whether a work is "orphaned" or not depends, in part, on how diligently you search for the author or the author's estate. There's no such thing as "orphaned works" that don't have a rightsholder, unless they're in the public domain because their copyright has expired.
by svgtom August 1, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
I just see this as a big nightmare, with copyright holders and authors saying they've been violated while Google claims they had every right to scan and sell books. And what is defined as out-of-print? If a publisher decides they are no longer going to print future editions of a book but current copies are still available for sale in book stores, does that qualify as out-of-print?
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by aazippo1 August 2, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
Well seeing as Google will one day rule the world, I am sure it will go right through with no problems.

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by jhmattern August 2, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
Michaelcapo is absolutely right. Most book contracts stipulate that the copyright reverts back to the author if the publisher fails to keep the book in print for a certain amount of time. The author then has the right to shop it around to other publishers or even to self-publish the book for direct earnings if there's only limited demand. Saying that something isn't covered if you can't find the author is like saying you have the right to republish any article you find ghostwritten online without an author attributed. It's not legal.

The user who noted that one party cannot legally sign away the intellectual property rights of another is also absolutely correct. The problem would lie in the authors' contracts with their publishers (as in whether or not they grant the publisher the right to act on their behalf in these kinds of matters).
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