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by Greg Sandoval
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When news broke late Sunday that Apple has plans to create the next-generation music album, some in the record industry were steamed.

The Financial Times reported that Apple was working on a plan code-named "Cocktail" that involves the creation of "new type of interactive album material, including photos, lyric sheets and liner notes that allow users to click through to items that they find most interesting." That's nearly identical to a plan that executives from some of the four largest music labels pitched Apple about 18 months ago, said a music industry source who requested anonymity.

Even as the music industry cooperates with Apple's efforts, what has some insiders upset is that Apple rejected the labels' plan. By seizing credit, Apple is being "disingenuous," said the source. He added that Apple's attempt to develop a proprietary technology around the new interactive album is an example of the company once again falling back on "the walled garden approach."

What he was referring to was how users of Apple's iPod were prevented from playing songs wrapped in digital rights management made by competitors. That effectively blocked anybody but Apple's iTunes from selling music files to iPod owners. Now, most download stores sell songs in the MP3 format and these DRM-free tunes can play on iPods and iPhones.

Apple representatives did not respond to an interview request.

But Apple's refusal to participate in the labels' plan didn't mean they gave up. The largest recording companies have continued to develop software that will help them release their own version of a new interactive album. Apple will have Cocktail, but Amazon and all the other competing services will get access to the labels' version, which will offer more content than Apple's, said the music industry source.

Apple plans to have Cocktail ready to launch by September, according to the Financial Times, and that's when the labels hope to have their version ready as well, said the source.

Both Apple and the top recording companies appear to be pursuing the same goal: rejuvenating the album, which was the benchmark sales unit that helped the music business generate billions of dollars over the past half-century. Up until the digital download turned the music industry on its head, the album was the standard means for music distribution. Even after the switch from vinyl to the CD, the album format was preserved, as most CDs featured about a dozen tracks.

Record industry execs have long said that there's no way to grow the business by selling single-song tracks. But the big labels have an uphill fight--many consumers may well resent any attempt to force them into paying a premium for packages that include unwanted tracks.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by stevicus July 27, 2009 2:19 AM PDT
Interesting. Two articles on Cnet, one saying Apple and the labels are collaborating, the other saying they aren't, both citing the same article.

So, the FT article is incorrect? Can you expand a bit on this?
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by sandonet July 27, 2009 3:46 AM PDT
The labels are cooperating with Apple but they also have their own thing going. I'll add that to the story
by nhm July 27, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
The record labels hate iTunes because Apple runs the iTunes Music Store near breakeven: Apple makes its money from selling the iPods, not the music. In fact, something like 99% of the music on iPods doesn't come from the iTunes Music Store -- Apple makes it easy to get ripped and downloaded music onto iPods. Given the adversarial relationship between Apple and the record labels, and the role of music as a freebie/loss-leader to sell iPods, it seems unlikely that Apple would share the music labels dream of resurrecting the album in order to sell more album-filler tracks.
by FireyIce01 July 27, 2009 2:29 AM PDT
See, my problem isn't with albums being packaged so much as the fact that digital distribution eliminates 90% of the overhead (no CDs to press, no books to print, no physical material at all) and yet, I am still expected to pay the same (or, usually MORE) than I have become accustomed to paying for a CD. If the labels can get me a 12 track album with lyrics and pictures for $10 (the average price of a New Release at Dimple records) I would think about buying it... but at over a buck a track, or $15-20 an album, sorry, no dice.
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by msgs64 July 27, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
Your overhead estimates are a bit skewed and imply that huge profits are being taken by the labels on a track and album basis. In actuality, profits per unit sold at a track/album level are very low. There are still very significant costs to produce digital products in terms of computing infrastructure, storage, and network costs. Also, you need to consdier that in the physical model there were one or maybe two products, now there are are literally hundreds for any given work which are impacted costwise by bitrate, length (if customized), etc. Agree that $20 might be high, but it depends on how many tracks, videos, and other bonus material you get...
by solitare_pax July 27, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
But you have to admit that having a digital file, available online to be downloaded at any time by anyone in the world, is cheaper than making a CD, warehousing it, shipping it and so on. Not to mention that even with mass production, if an album sells out, they have to go back and make more - where the online stores keep on letting people download old tunes. On the other hand, if an album bombs, there isn't any wasted material - just a space on a server somewhere.

It seems more and more that if music labels want to make money, they should fire the high-priced lawyers they have racing around the world suing people for illegal downloads, and entice people to purchase their wares online.
by stevicus July 27, 2009 2:46 AM PDT
As I mentioned on the first article, I just don't see Apple moving away from iTunes. "Cocktail" would IMO likely still be intimately tied to and organized by iTunes. For better or for worse (likely for worse), iTunes has become the managing interface for more than just music.

Perhaps Apple plans not to implement the exact same thing that was pitched to them by the studios but is instead planning to build into iTunes more features/bloat that can be used to display the extra content - much like adding the ability to view cover art and watch videos.

If so, this could provide a reason (other than the often cited "apple ripped off so and so") why the snubbed the labels - they liked the idea, but the implementation didn't fit their model of channeling everything through iTunes.

And this could leave a means to later upgrade to a full album with all the extras for those who had piecemeal purchased individual songs.

Anyways, isn't cocktail a collection of shell scripts for those who can't be bothered to muck around with the terminal?
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by zato_3 July 27, 2009 3:30 AM PDT
"He added that Apple's attempt to develop a proprietary technology around the new interactive album is an example of the company once again falling back on "the walled garden approach."

"The walled garden approach" HAHAHAHA!! Hey music labels, the DRM was YOUR idea, remember? Apple didn't want any part of it. You forced it on them. Then when the iPod won the player battle, it becomes the "walled garden".
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by hafenbrack July 27, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
ummmm.....Apple didn't want ANY part of DRM, are you KIDDING? They were in love with the idea, especially if it meant tying people to iTunes by way of ONLY using an iPod. Don't be fooled into thinking that Apple ever stenuously fought the idea of DRM.
by qwerty-berty July 27, 2009 6:46 AM PDT
@hafenbrack

Like other distributors, Apple was never keen on DRM although for business reasons rather than because an altruistic concern for consumer rights. DRM is a tool for the benefit of the producer and restricts the movements of the distributor in much the same way it does the consumer. Apple is all about the control and for somebody else to come in and tell them exactly how they should allow sharing between ipods would go against all their control-freakery instincts.

The lock-in that Apple have managed to sustain has less to do with DRM and more to do with ipod and itunes syncing and connectivity as well as achieving a critical mass of sales. Which should be obvious because the music on iTunes is no longer DRM'd.
by lars_pallesen July 27, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
To hafenbrack: zato_3 is absolutely right about Apple stance on DRM. Please read this and educate youself a little on the subject. This is a letter Steve Jobs wrote explaining Apple's view on DRM: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
by ckh1272 July 27, 2009 6:45 PM PDT
"by hafenbrack July 27, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
ummmm.....Apple didn't want ANY part of DRM, are you KIDDING? They were in love with the idea, especially if it meant tying people to iTunes by way of ONLY using an iPod. Don't be fooled into thinking that Apple ever stenuously fought the idea of DRM."

I guess people only read what they want to read while wearing blinders, but iTunes has been DRM free for a while hafenbrack.
by qwerty-berty July 27, 2009 3:34 AM PDT
This story will likely attract Apple fanbois and haters, but don't be distracted from the vermin that currently run the record industry.

They were the ones that refused to license any of their music without being encumbered by DRM, which gave rise to the dominance of the proprietary Microsoft media player and Apple itunes formats. They expected that a proliferation of many different formats would mean that nobody was effectively in control, leaving them free extend their grip over "their" content. But they didn't think for a moment that Apple would dominate so decisively and therefore find themselves in a position to dictate terms to the RIAA.

So now the DRM has gone and been replaced by crack legal teams that seek to criminalize, harass and deny ownership of the music that we have all payed for.

If the music industry didn't insist on DRM in the first place then the behemoth that is iTunes would probably never have existed. So excuse me if I don't fall for the crocodile tears being shed by the mysterious industry source.
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by wavjockey July 27, 2009 4:19 AM PDT
With the exception of Quicktime, which is needed to view some web sites, I am boycotting Apple products.

Apple has become the Sony Electronics of the 21-century. Unfortunately, they only care about profits under the guise of an easier and simpler process.

I agree that music distribution needs to die and be re-born as something better.
There are a lot of good ideas out there but nothing that draws lightning.

But, I am not going to make one company rich in the process.
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by djFLWB July 27, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
Boycotting Apple because they only care about profits?

By that logic what in America today are you currently not boycotting?

If you are going to boycott a company because of their trade practices or the poor quality of product or poor service.

But simply because they are out to make a profit???
by ckh1272 July 27, 2009 6:48 PM PDT
I agree with djFLWB. I guess you do everything for charity and from charity. I guess the computer you typed your comment on is at the library or was given to you. Reality check!!
by jacomo July 27, 2009 6:27 AM PDT
Same as what the Cable Networks are doing by forcing us to take on a host of
channels that we are not interested in. This includes some of the content providers like
ESPN that forces Cable networks to display there content as they want and not how the
customer would buy it.
We need to watch how Google addresses this market in the near future with their
powerful Cloud network. There is a major market ripe for the picking here in the form of
a service allowing a customer CHOICE for music. Just look at how successful HULU
has been in providing their video subscribers CHOICE.

Jim A.
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by BtmnHatesRbn July 27, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
Ah, but in pay TV, the consumer has been fighting back!

Since last year, pay TV subscribers have gone down across the nation. Most cite lousy, "reality" programming as the number one reason. The second reason is, and I quote, "The same ten movies are shown over and over again on all the channels!" The third reason is price. Even if DISH or DirecTV gets you a intro rate of, say, $20 a month, after a few months, the rates skyrocket. For one TV and decent cable package, I had to pay $220 a month to cover four TVs in my house. No thanks. So I considered what I watch.

Thanks to iTunes and Amazon's use of iTunes when I download music and TV, I just use that. Just watch my download limit set up by the @$$hole ISPs and that's about the only complaint.

As far as the music labels or TV companies go...wasn't Joost an attempt at this? Or those services that a person "subscribes" to and is supposed to download all they want from that service? Yeah, I don't hear or see anything about those anymore, and that's what this is.
by ikramerica--2008 July 27, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
$220?!

You obviously didn't have Dish or DirecTV, which would cost $100 less.
by dragonsky1 July 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
That really depends on what package you have, and more importantly, when you signed up for service. I signed up DirecTV two months, and my bill runs around $120 bucks. It would be a bit higher if I had DVR boxes in every room, instead of just regular boxes in all but two. This does not include the $37 I will be charged in three months, when I no longer get HBO, Showtime, and Starz for free. Once that is over, I will be paying $157. And don't forget to factor in the $40-$60 for high speed internet that is required to access On Demand content on DirecTV or Dish Network. Factor in all of these, and both DirecTV and DIsh can run over $200 a month.
by jypeterson July 27, 2009 6:50 AM PDT
Even with choice, consumers still choose Apple for digital music. They have only become as popular as they have because their solution was the only solution that was easy to use and consumer friendly. There has always been choice, but if the products didn't work well together (non-Apple mp3 players + separate digital distribution like the reformed Napster, Sony Music Online, Microsoft "Plays for Sure", et cetera have all failed.

Apple has been up front saying it doesn't make money (or not much) on iTunes, they make their money on hardware sales (iPhone, iPod, iPod Touch).

Apple didn't invent the mp3 player, they just made it easy to use.
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by BtmnHatesRbn July 27, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
Correct. Just throwing it out there, but certain versions of the Creative NOMAD players works with iTunes, including transferring "protected" music files. The NOMAD, though, will not play AAC/M4A/EIEIO files, though. It will copy, just not play.

For Apple, it's getting to a point when the public finally doesn't want an iPod due to saturation, then start licensing the iPod interface and APIs to others. That's maybe, at the least, a decade away. By then, who knows who'll still be around.
by Super2online July 27, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
Just because there are players in the industry that are not in first place, doesn't make them a failure. Is Firefox, Opera, Safari, Chrome a failure? They are not leading (yet) and have a long way to go to do so. There are people out here that choose other services and players that are quite happy and don't care anything about the populist choice.
by July 29, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
Come on now, what MP3 player is really difficult to use? it is Apple's marketing and "fashionable" design that made the iPod what it is. Not until the Touch did they really do anything innovative. At least the others don't force you to tethered to a single choice.
by Steve802 July 27, 2009 7:10 AM PDT
Concert sets and gigs might make sense, but most albums don't.

I'm wondering which the type of music cocktail Apple is thinking about; much more interesting would be a social one - either a la Amazon (people who like X also like Y) or a via a circle of friends (so friends could recommend mixes / playlists to friends) or perhaps even DJ ... ???
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by Macbrewer July 27, 2009 9:13 AM PDT
This is a seriously flawed article. It's no secret that CNET is in MSFT's pocket. Do you really expect us to believe that the RECORD LABELS should be working on software and Apple should follow THEIR lead?

I have never read anything even remotely as ludicrous as this.

Record labels INSISTED ON DRM, APPLE was the ONLY one to argue against it!

p.s. The iPod can play ANY legitimate format. They can't play the Microsoft DRM formats that have since been abandoned, leaving Microsoft customers (all 12 of them) high and dry.
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by albeat99 July 27, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
Huh? I could have swore CNET was in Apple's pocket! Get a grip...

Anyway, this isn't a Apple vs Microsoft issue. Can we all agree the record companies and their Gestapo, the RIAA, is whom we should direct our anger? They are evil personified.

And I agree what was said above, digital download albums are WILDLY overpriced. There's little overhead, no physical product, why on earth are we being charged 10 bucks or more?
by KingsImperial July 27, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
@albeat99 music still costs a lof of money to produce and market. overhead is actually huge. when you buy music you are not just buying a physical product; you are getting intellectual property that still costs a lot to produce and market.
by dicklacara July 27, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Whether the labels want to sell through iTunes, its competitors or both is a non-issue.

Apple is going to introduce the "must-have" [entertainment*] device for the next 5 years.

There is significant advantage to selling your products where people congregate to buy things.

If the labels want to go for a ride, they'd better get in the wagon!

* entertainment, and much, much more.
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by Police_States_of_America July 27, 2009 1:47 PM PDT
would this new technology happen to be tied entirely to itunes by any chance?

here's an idea: high definition png, jpg, or pdf files; you know higher resolution than whats printed on CDs or LPs.
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by hypermark July 27, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
While it makes sense for the labels to leave their options open, I think there is something afoot in terms of Apple extending its platform tools to support creation of more dynamic e-books and albums.

Think of this pitch this way:

Steve Jobs: "Book and Music industry. You are getting commoditized because you have no differentiated platform for extending/re-inventing your product for the online age. We just so happen to have a set of tools that have proven compelling to the tune of 1.5B downloads, field-tested across 65K apps and with a current footprint of 46M devices."

Music/Book Industry: "There is no way we can re-create that value proposition, and we already see the writing on the wall with Amazon. If they are successful, they will be telling us how much money we can make or worse, go direct to writers and musicians, and design us out of the equation. How do we get started?"

This is the consummate 1+1=3 for a segment that is otherwise facing a 1+1=<2 future.

Cheers,

Mark

[CNET editors' note: Promotional material deleted]
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by BarryT1970 August 3, 2009 5:42 AM PDT
Man, anything which helps establish an iTunes rival is fine by me. This pretty much expresses my views: http://beatthat.com/blog/we-hate-itunes
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