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June 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT

Google polishes competition charm offensive

by Tom Krazit

SAN FRANCISCO--Google continued to lay the groundwork Wednesday for an antitrust defense in the event that the federal government decides to take a formal look at its core business.

U.S. regulators have been scrutinized parts of the company in recent months, probing topics such as Google CEO Eric Schmidt's role on Apple's board of directors and Google's proposed settlement with book publishers on Google Books. In that vein, the company one month ago kicked off an effort to burnish its image, calling on the press, members of Congress, ad agencies, and publishers to convince them that when it comes to its overall business, Google is a not a threat.

Inside a conference room in Google's San Francisco office, executives ran through essentially the same presentation leaked last month by the consumer activist group Consumer Watchdog, focusing most of their efforts on trying to paint a picture of Google as just one part of a large Internet ecosystem, as opposed to a dominant search giant.

"We do have to win users back on a regular basis," said Dana Wagner, senior competition counsel at Google. "We want to be the next Google; we're not done with search."

Even though its name is widely used as a verb to describe "Internet search," Google argued that it faces competition from places like Amazon and eBay, where potential customers also search for information about a product. It likewise compared its earnings data--revenues, profits, and lobbying budget--to some of America's largest technology companies, such as Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon, and IBM, with far more resources than Google.

Executives also noted that Google competes for advertising dollars against essentially the entire world. Television, newspapers, magazines, billboards, and other Internet companies all want advertising dollars too, and Google's share of the total ad revenue market is just 3 percent, said Peter Greenberger, industry relations manager. Its share of the total Internet ad revenue is 30 percent, the largest single piece of that pie.

These are all clear signs that Google would attempt to paint the relevant market in any antitrust case it may face in the future as extremely broad. That's one of the first battlegrounds in which lawyers for Google and the Justice Department would face off, and really a key part of any antitrust case.

Several years ago, enterprise software-maker Oracle successfully made a similar argument in an antitrust fight over the eventual acquisition of rival PeopleSoft. While Justice lawyers attempted to narrowly define the market for software suites intended for multinational corporations, Oracle argued that the Web and upstart competitors made such a narrow definition impossible.

There's little question of Google's dominance in search. Its share of the search market is around 64 percent, and its revenue share of search advertising is higher, in the high 60s or low 70s, a Google representative estimated. Microsoft is making a renewed commitment to competing against Google in search that might have already paid off in the form of a point or two of market share gain, but that only gives it 11.1 percent.

So there's a question how tough the competition really is. Some wonder if Yahoo, the distant second in search, is willing to take on Google in its back yard under new CEO Carol Bartz.

Another point made by Google is that competitive search providers on the Internet "are just a click away," a phrase that has been repeated ad nauseum by Google executives since its goodwill tour began in May. It resonates because it's true: anyone dissatisfied with their search results can easily type yahoo.com or bing.com into their browsers, something Microsoft is counting on with its huge ad campaign around Bing. Unlike desktop software or corporate applications, there's little "lock-in" on a search engine.

However, any scrutiny on this score is likely to center around competition in search advertising, not search queries, as was the case last year when Yahoo and Google got within hours of finalizing a deal to let Google's AdSense technology place ads on Yahoo's sites before Google backed out over concern the Justice Department would scuttle the deal.

Wagner insisted that the potential Yahoo deal "had nothing to do with search. It was an advertising partnership." Google backed out of the deal because it realized it would have to take on a very public fight with a government agency to make the deal happen, and it was worried about the effect on its brand should it go down that road, he said.

That comes to one of the core parts of Google's argument: the company is trying to make the case that because of its principles and philosophies, it can be trusted to do the right thing despite its position in the market.

"If there was ever a situation in which Google had a legal fight with an agency, it's because we were doing something that was good for our users and good for the economy," Wagner said. "There's a lot of companies for which I wouldn't do this job. I would not be doing this at Halliburton."

The Justice Department may not buy that line of thinking. The new assistant attorney general for antitrust, Christine Varney, was quoted last year as saying, "I think we're going to continually to see a problem, potentially, with Google, who I think so far has acquired a monopoly in Internet online advertising lawfully."

Now, in the very next sentence, Varney was careful to note: "I do not think they have done anything other than be a spectacular, innovative company." Nonetheless, there's a reason why Google is on a charm offensive.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by Aaron Kempf June 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
google breaks the law, they don't really innovate.. they're just a bunch of bullies who were lucky enough to bet on the right horse when they bought youtube.

I think that it's sad that google thinks that they're smart enough to tell _US_ how to build cars, and how to make green energy.

google is not efficient-- they lie-- there is no way that my house uses the same electricity as 3.1 million searches.

Sorry google-- you lie, and I hope that the government breaks you apart.
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by HearnME June 10, 2009 7:57 PM PDT
you sound very uneducated about Google. Its system is huge and diverse as much as it is wide and "controlling."

As for finding them inefficient liars. Why don't you take a trip down to Mountain View, California and see for yourself how smoothly and happily they work.
by tm_anon June 10, 2009 8:04 PM PDT
Do you know how much electricity 3.1 million searches takes? Do you know how many searches are made per second on Google? Do you know how much electricity Google servers use per second?

It's very possible that 3.1 million Google searches use the same amount of electricity per second as your house does. Just think about it, are you doing every last thing to minimize the amount of electricity being used in your household at this very moment? Do you have all your light bulbs turned off and replaced with the absolute lowest wattage per lumen possible? Are all of your appliances Energy Star certified and chosen specifically for how efficiently they do the job? Are you currently running your air conditioner or do you have a ceiling fan to help move the air instead?

Google is highly efficient as has been studied and proven. Google servers have been designed to use the least amount of electricity possible, they are raised and they have internal UPS', meaning they recharge the UPS with excess power going through the power supply rather than letting that energy go to waste.

Google has been very innovative in their approach to many new areas. Google Docs, Google Earth, Chrome. I may not like the product or the way it's implemented and I may not like that Google does seem a bit too hungry for my information, that doesn't mean the product isn't innovative.

As for your claim that Google breaks the law, give evidence or don't make the claim. By making the claim with no evidence, you can and should be sued for liable. Saying you don't like a product is one thing, I stand up for your right to dislike whatever you decide to dislike. Claiming that product breaks the law, on the other hand, I stand up for the product makers right to sue you for every penny you have.
by t8 June 10, 2009 9:38 PM PDT
There is nothing wrong with Google yet.

They don't tie you in like Microsoft.

The government should be looking at Microsoft not Google.

We end up paying way too much for an OS from Microsoft because they are a monopoly that was illegally obtained.

Customers pay Microsoft too much and Google is generally free.

Nothing wrong with Google. Hopefully I can say the same thing years from now.
by monkeyfun14 June 13, 2009 6:48 PM PDT
@t8

Google just sells your information.

What has Microsoft done wrong recently?

Absolutely nothing.

And since when is it illegal to sell your product for as much as you want?
Apple does it.
And there is competition Apple and Linux.
by Michichael June 10, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
This is what's sad. You develop a great, relevant, useful product... keep it up to date and branch out applying this innovation to other regions... and you start getting called a monopoly by companies that don't want to have to compete with you based on real merits.

There is far too much corporate power over the political process. I think that all corporations need to have their influence in Washington curtailed - one five man representation per industry from the corporations and one five man panel from the public - with public financing only for their electives, no private financing at all.

Then we might start seeing some cutbacks in pork spending etc.

By the way - GET RID OF THE CIALIS AND CONDOM ADVERTS! Seriously, this website is going down the drain more and more. First the facebook integration, then the comment system won't even load if you block the adverts... come on guys.
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by tenbosch June 10, 2009 6:52 PM PDT
Your comment seems a little hypicritical. First you dno't want anyone telling Google what they can or can't do. Then you go and tell Cnet how they should advertise. Personally, Condom Advertising is one of the most socially responsible things this country needs to do. And believe it or not, Cialis does help people with serious dysfunction.
by tm_anon June 10, 2009 8:06 PM PDT
How are you blocking ads? I have Adblock Plus and I can comment perfectly fine.
by Michichael June 11, 2009 8:42 AM PDT
I just use firefox and noscript so I don't have to bother with adverts half the time. TBH I probably should just update my hosts table to blackhole all of the advert sites, but the problem is why should I have to modify my hosts table/use third party software to block content that doesn't belong in the workplace?

Yes I agree condom advertising is good - do it on MTV, FOX, MySpace, Facebook, or whatever "leisure" sites. It doesn't belong on a tech news site. [I think most techies are smart enough to use a condom.]
by Seaspray0 June 10, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
Tom Krazit, you have been doing a fantatic job for several months now. Excellent work! I love how you have pieced together the oposing viewpoints into a cohesive view of the whole. Please forward this to your boss. I want him/her to know that I think your journalism is now top notch.
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by thelemurking June 11, 2009 6:05 AM PDT
I agree... he doesn't seem like the snooty little Apple fanboy anymore. He seems a lot more open and branched out. So +1 internets for him.
by SergeM256 June 10, 2009 9:04 PM PDT
OK, Google is a monopoly. What are they supposed to do now to avoid being a monopoly? Limit number of searches per internet user?
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by Seaspray0 June 11, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
It's not against the law to be a monopoly. It is against the law to abuse the power it grants. This means google has to play under a different set of rules (i.e. cutting deals on advertising) and they will be more under the watchful eye of the department of justice. It's not easy for companies to do this when they were bred on being very competitive... but it can be done.
by flatrock19 June 11, 2009 5:55 AM PDT
The first and only thing I've seen from Google that should bring up anti-trust issues is their exclusive right to have orphaned works available through their book search.

Other than that, I don't see how they are unfairly excluding competitors. Yes they have the majority of the search market. They have earned that market share fairly. They have continued to expand what can be searched and have continued to offer additional products which have built their name to the point where they are the first name that comes to mind in search and a number of other things.

That doesn't make them anti-competitive. That just means they have done their jobs better than their competitors.

Anti-trust laws were not meant to punish success. The fact that so many people thinks they do says a lot of bad things about how anti-capitalistic our educational institutions have become.
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by Seaspray0 June 11, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
"Anti-trust laws were not meant to punish success." True. They are there to prevent abuse by alot of it.
by MarcoP123 June 11, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
It's amazing how many people remain so filled with emotion over big, successful companies. "Google is a bully and deserves to be taken apart." "Microsoft is a bully and deserves to be taken apart." Etc. Both have achieved their ranks because they have consistently provided great tools and solutions to the rest of us. And it's great that they're both battling each other -- in each other's primary turfs. The result can only be better solutions for all of us. (And if that means more profit for both of them, great for them.) More on http://domusinc.blogspot.com/2009/06/attacks-on-google-and-microsoft.html.
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by t8 June 13, 2009 6:46 PM PDT
Actually there is a huge difference between Google and Microsoft.

One people choose Google because they have the best stuff.
People are forced to use Windows because it comes with new PCs whether they like it or not.

Also, Microsoft gained it's monopoly illegally. It did deals with OEMs that menat Windows only. Then they bundled IE to take the browser market too.

Google doesn't force anyone to do anything. People use them because they want to.

Big difference. Please do not say that these 2 companies are the same. They are poles apart.
by cp256 June 11, 2009 10:10 AM PDT
I am far more worried about Microsoft than Google. That may change in the future, but right now M$ is the big demon.
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by emad_ramzy June 11, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
Google is a bully, not because they are a big company, it is because they do whatever they want and they just don't care. The "do no evil" company is becoming dangerously strong; imagine a company that lends its support to a crook and extortionist like Ed Magedson of the ripofreport fame, he is a well known crook and the whole world know that except Google. I boycotted Google since I found out about the strong relationship (I used Yahoo or the new Bing), it is about time that something be done about this company
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by Ilgaz June 11, 2009 1:55 PM PDT
For years, whenever I hear "Google isn't a monopoly, users have choice", I check my Safari for OS X search area, see impossible to change (without hacks) Google written right at there and ignore the rest of their bla bla.
Sad thing is, I keep paying for OS X and yet I can't change default engine of its default browser and yet Windows users who gets it totally free can change it to Yahoo.
Does Apple really need couple of cents from their users searches?
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by pcdude2143 June 11, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
All I've seen from Google is good. I don't think we have worry about them.

How expensive do you want your Mac to be??? Apple probably does get paid for the search box. I say so what? You do have choice. The choice to use another browser.

Guy at store: "Why do you only make cookies with Nestle chocolate chips in them? That's wrong. I want to be able to choose any type of chip I want."
by YankeePoodle June 11, 2009 7:02 PM PDT
Tom in your profile, my be it is time to add Bing or MSN..
never mind Silicon Valley Elitism.
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by espeed623 June 12, 2009 1:44 PM PDT
Frankly, I don't see Google's Monopoly as the same type as Microsoft's Monopoly.
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by t8 June 13, 2009 6:48 PM PDT
Same.

One was obtained by innovation and better service, and the other was obtained with illegal deals with OEMs and any innovation was copied or stolen of others.
by epcraig June 13, 2009 1:30 AM PDT
Unlike Microsoft, Google has yet to be convicted of abusing their monopoly.
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by t8 June 13, 2009 6:49 PM PDT
That is right. That makes the two poles apart right now.

One is a criminal and the other isn't.
by Vegaman_Dan June 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT
@t8:

Hmm... interesting point. So if two criminals both rob customers but only one gets charged, that means the other one is okay to keep doing it?

How do you justify this sort of viewpoint?
by HDIEagle June 18, 2009 11:47 PM PDT
@Vegaman_Dan:

How about "Innocent until proven guilty."

Let the criminal go keep doing it, he will either get caught or die of old age - and I'm leaning towards the former.
Hopefully I need not reiterate.
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