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May 20, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Craigslist struggles with sex ad crackdown

by Greg Sandoval
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Note at 7:50 a.m. PDT: Craigslist said it has filed suit against South Carolina's attorney general over his threats to prosecute the site. Read about it here.

Craigslist's managers have complied with the wishes of most of the state attorneys general who demanded they rid the site of prostitution ads.

The Web's dominant classifieds publication replaced its controversial "erotic" section with a new "adult" category. And where Craigslist once relied on readers to flag dodgy advertisements, the company's employees now review every ad submitted to the adult area before they appear online.

Yet, the site has been unable to block every solicitation for sex. Catherine, a self-described sex worker from San Francisco, confirmed for CNET that she successfully posted an ad for her services to the adult section late last week. She wished to remain anonymous, so neither the ad's photo nor text can be included in this story. Regardless, it isn't hard to find questionable ads in Craigslist's new adult section.

The most noticeable difference between Craigslist's erotic and adult categories is the photos. In the adult section, the photos are less provocative, less skin is showing. When it comes to the text, however, the two sections are very similar.

Both are packed with ads for massage services. Ads in both areas include descriptions of the masseuse's breast size ("I'm a natural C cup") and they are often photographed dressed in their underwear. Even if most of these services are legitimate, and only a few are veiled offers of sex in the new adult area, plenty of others make little if any pretense about what they offer.

These ads typically include words such as "busty," or "fantasy girl" in their descriptions. Often, they feature photos of a woman or man dressed provocatively in their underwear or bathing suit. Some include hourly rates.

Clearly, Craigslist faces a significant challenge as it tries to purge prostitution from its Web pages. While it can ban nude photos and overt offers of sex, how can anyone expect the site to outlaw ads featuring photos of bikini-clad women offering phone numbers? One can find racier images in department store ads.

The Internet has made it easier for merchants of all kinds to conduct commerce and reach wider audiences. Should anyone be surprised that the sex trade has benefited from this as well. If Craigslist were to disappear tomorrow, does anyone really expect that would curb prostitution?

Comparing Craigslist and Backpage.com
A review of some competing online classifieds shows that while Craigslist has been a popular destination for sex workers, it is by no means the only one.

Craigslist timeline

A breakdown of some key events related to Craiglist's controversial erotic services section.

November 6, 2008
Craigslist requires those posting erotic ads to submit phone, credit card numbers

March 5, 2009
Sheriff near Chicago sues Craigslist for facilitating prostitution

April 20, 2009
Boston man arrested, called "Craigslist killer"

May 6, 2009
Several attorneys general call for closure of erotic services section

May 13, 2009
Craigslist says it will close erotic section.

May 15, 2009
So. Carolina AG says he will prosecute Craigslist

May 20, 2009
Craigslist files lawsuit against So. Carolina AG

For example, is an online classified publication and Craigslist competitor. The content it produces can also be found on the Web sites of some entertainment and alternative publications in major metropolitan areas, such as New York's Village Voice or San Francisco's SFWeekly.

Craigslist is G-rated compared with the photos found in Backpage's adult section. Ads included nude photos while others showed people engaged in sexual intercourse. A common ad would show a bare-chested woman asking men to call her at a phone number.

In the area of Backpage that services Charleston, S.C., one ad found on Tuesday by CNET featured a photo of a bare-chested woman apparently engaged in masturbation. It must be noted that there was nothing as graphic on Craigslist. This is relevant because Henry McMaster, South Carolina's attorney general, last week threatened Craigslist with a criminal investigation.

McMaster hasn't made any similar threats--at least none that has been publicized--against Backpage. Managers at Backpage did not respond to an interview request.

In November, Craigslist and 40 state attorneys general, including McMaster, signed an agreement that called for the site to add more safeguards. The classifieds publication followed through and one of the new changes was a new requirement that anyone posting to the erotic section must provide a credit card. All the parties hoped that criminals would be unwilling to provide identification and this would be deterrent.

"Many of the classified and communication services on the Craigslist site provide the public with a valuable service," McMaster wrote to Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster on May 5. "However, it appears that the management...has knowingly allowed the site to be used for illegal and unlawful activity after warnings from law enforcement officials and after an agreement with forty state attorneys general."

Since then, Craigslist did away with the erotic section and agreed to review every ad before it appeared, but McMaster was dissatisfied. He posted a note on his site that said the "Craigslist South Carolina site continues to display advertisements for prostitution and graphic pornographic material. This content was not removed as we requested. We have no alternative but to move forward with criminal investigation and potential prosecution."

This is at best an empty threat, says Matt Zimmerman, a senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

The Communication Decency Act protects Web sites like Craigslist from being held criminally liable for the actions of its users, Zimmerman said, who added that Craigslist has no legal obligation to even review ads before they go online.

Had Zimmerman had his way, Craigslist would have never agreed to do the monitoring. Craig Newmark, Craigslist's founder, had earlier gone on national TV and said that Craigslist would not do away with the erotic section. The company's reversal may have led McMaster to believe he could shame Craigslist managers into doing more than what the law required. "It made life more difficult for Craigslist I think," Zimmerman said.

"But I was much more disappointed with (McMaster) than Craigslist," Zimmerman said. "His threats were bogus to begin with and he was wrong to threaten (Craigslist's managers) with jail when the law is very clearly on their side."

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by SIGHUP May 20, 2009 5:37 AM PDT
?Backpages.com is an online classified publication? should be backpage.com.
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by myles taylor May 20, 2009 6:43 AM PDT
I have said it in every one of these stories and I'll say it again. Trying to stop prostitution is like trying to stop the tide ocean or the sun from rising. It's one of the oldest occupations in history and a few laws never changed and never will change it. All the laws do is make it dangerous and drive it underground.

Legalize it, tax it, regulate it, and make it safe.
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by Grifter02 May 20, 2009 7:22 AM PDT
I agree 100%. Why do people care so much what someone else spends his money on? Just put regulations in place to prevent the spread of diseases and let them make some legitimate money.
by odubtaig May 20, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
Because it's working so well in Amsterdam:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263117
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/04/some_200_young_girls_victims_o.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/02/more_trafficking_victims_found.php
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/484f9a2f3c.html
by chambcm May 20, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
I also agree. What a continued waste of time, money and effort in trying to stop it.
by odubtaig May 20, 2009 8:25 AM PDT
"Legalizing prostitution was infused with the idea of the articulate prostitute, who should get rights and better working conditions. But that image is incorrect, says Schaapman ( http://members.chello.nl/p.g.j.schaapman/ ). Two third of prostitutes are foreign, most often illegal and nobody is registering. The Amsterdam police has a port-folio with 76 violent pimps operating on de Wallen. Often they stand at the corner, counting the customers of 'his' woman, to subsequently collect the money. 'It is very difficult for the police to get a case. Pimping is allowed, but exploitation and violence of course are not. But the women do not file reports, or will retrieve them later on.'"
by myles taylor May 20, 2009 8:39 AM PDT
@odubtaig So the Dutch aren't doing it right. Doesn't mean that it can't work. Also, is our current system working? Is prostitution being prevented? No.

If there was a legal way to obtain a prostitute, it would cut back on the violence and crime. Yes, it would still exist to some extent, but not near the degree.
by odubtaig May 20, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
Do you even have the slightest shred of evidence for you claims?

No.
by Dalkorian May 20, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
<sarcasm>

No, prostitutes didn't exist before Craigslist, so Craigslist invented prostitution. They did it to run more ads, which makes them more money. So women are being exploited for the obscene profits of the CEO of Craigslist.

<end sarcasm>

Oh, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you to. Interested?
by odubtaig May 20, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
Probably not the answer you schlubs are looking for:

World takes notice of Swedish prostitute laws
By Karl Ritter in Stockholm
Monday, 17 March 2008

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/world-takes-notice-of-swedish-prostitute-laws-796793.html

"police know from eavesdropping on human trafficking rings that Sweden is considered bad business because of its tough stance."
by unknown unknown May 20, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
The U.S has at least one place with legalized prostitution, 8 counties in Nevada.
by ajbright May 20, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
There are places in the US where prostitution is legal, and I'd be interested to know what the numbers are for violence against women in those states, particularly violence against prostitutes.

You have examples of professionally run brothels that obviously look after the women they employ, but those that aren't deemed attractive or honest enough to work in those places still end up on the street and are still subject to the same issues of violence and rape. And yes it is possible to rape a prostitute because rape is a crime of violence and human indignity. It should be considered closer to torture than sex.

My worry is always for those that are caught in the trap of poverty and drug abuse. Human traffickers are obviously a problem, but I think the numbers governments tend to use include too many examples of people who are merely illegal immigrants and have never been victims of slavery and violence.

In the UK for example the police will report any foreign resident who engages in prostitution as a statistic for human trafficking crimes, regardless of whether they have evidence to back it up. The good part about this of course is it makes it easier for politicians to get funding to fight human trafficking for sex slavery in particular. Anything that fights this can only be a good thing.
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by TxTodd May 20, 2009 9:12 AM PDT
The pic @ the top of the smexy boots.... please tell me that's Natali Del Conte!!! (even if it isn't true :)
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by Harrison912 May 20, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
I use Craig's list occasionally to market my safety and security web site products so I'm always interested in anything going on there. What ever the outcome of this debate, it's bringing lots of traffic to Craig's List and that's great!
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by unknown unknown May 20, 2009 12:02 PM PDT
They should have stuck to their original position, that the Erotic Services section was staying and filed this lawsuit for declaratory relief from this grandstanding idiot earlier.
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by Just_Jack May 20, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
I hope the lawsuit against the SC AG is successful. It's long past time to send a message to grandstanding social conservative whackos that there's this thing called the Bill of Rights...
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by odubtaig May 20, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
Does the Bill of Rights automatically allow you to advertise illegal services?

No.

Unless there's a lot of hitmen and firestarters also advertising.
by mikeburek May 20, 2009 7:42 PM PDT
@odubtaig Yes, you are right: "Does the Bill of Rights automatically allow you to advertise illegal services? -- No"

But who is "you." Here "you" is the person selling, not Craigslist. The AG should go after the individuals breaking the law, not Craigslist. If I wanted an easy cop job, I'd just go through the pages in Craigslist and check each person out. Then I'd have an impressive record of apprehending lots of people and not even leaving my desk.

Some cities have anti-hang-out laws around neighborhoods, especially around pay phones. Why didn't the AG just fine the phone company for providing the phones? Instead, they went after the people who were dealing drug and using the phone.

So why not go after the people doing illegal activities instead of the tools they are using?

And why haven't these AGs looked at all the "I'm looking for 420" ads? Isn't that illegal also? Why focus on only prostitutes?
by odubtaig May 21, 2009 4:09 AM PDT
The medium is the internet, not Craigslist. So long as they are selling classifieds space, they are responsible for that content the same way a newspaper is responsible for its content.
by DanRobinson May 20, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
Replace "Craigs List" with "Sidewalk."

". . . The creators of the sidewalk were threatened with prosecution by South Carolina's attorney general since prostitutes and other evil beings regularly walk there."

If the AG wants to prosecute someone, he should just call up the flippin' phone number and ask that someone meets him for sex.

Or is that too obvious?
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by odubtaig May 20, 2009 3:57 PM PDT
So, if someone has a private road and they let prostitutes operate from the sidewalk of that private road and charge a fee for them to be allowed to do so, they're not going to be prosecuted?

Yeah, right.
by mikeburek May 20, 2009 7:46 PM PDT
The cities own the sidewalk. it's the city's fault.

Also, aren't phone companies being sued? Every Craigslist post says "call....". So if we didn't have phones, then there would be no prostitution. The phone is essential to prostitution on Craigslist. And all the payphones that are used for prostitutes and for drug deal? The AG should look into suing the phone companies for not listening on every phone call and determining if the call is legal. People pay for the phone calls just the same way people pay to put a listing on Craigslist.
by odubtaig May 21, 2009 4:11 AM PDT
So, are you saying there wouldn't be some sort of penalty for 'the city' if it didn't at least attempt to do something? Hmmm?

See above re Craigslist. It's not a medium, it's a publication.
by faceless128 May 20, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
why do people keep saying that they're trying to stop prostitution?

if they were trying to stop prostitution, they would investigate and arrest the prostitutes that are abusing the online classifieds, these attorney generals are trying to sweep this under the rug, not trying to stop it.
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by chris_n_ABQ May 20, 2009 9:45 PM PDT
Craigslist isnt a sidewalk, or a "place" at all, so no odubtaig the analogy is not valid.

Craigslist is an information medium, like electricity. It is data. They provide a data storage service.

* You post the data. They store and display the data.
* Just like you pick up your cell phone, and Sprint or whatever provides the medium to move your data (your voice).

Providers are protected from having to worry about the content of the data (or they used to be ha) because there is *so much of it*, A, and its content is generated by PRIVATE CITIZENS, B, and perhaps more importantly; citizens, who enjoy the bill of rights, can expect that their private communications be free from government intrusion except under proviso of a warrant or court order.

In other words, it would normally require a *search warrant* to ascertain the contents of private communication, i.e. emails phone calls etc.

So you see, as A DATA SERVICE provider, craigslist is not and cannot be rationally or legally responsible for the behavior of seperate, private individuals.

The only legal course of action is to go after the individuals posting the ads. But I think personally that this is still way too far to go in a rational society. Its better to leave people the hell alone. Illegal prostitution only encourages exploitation and profiteering, as is true in almost ALL black market situations, such as drugs, liqour during the thirties, illegal gambling, weapons sales, or what-have-you.

But we dont seem to be livinbg in a rational society, do we? ..despite the lip-service paid to the idea. Even the lip-service is fading away. What happened to the enlightenment?
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by codynews May 23, 2009 6:42 PM PDT
Why would anyone pay for sex when you can go to just about any bar in any major city and pick up some bar ****? I never had a problem finding someone to sleep when when I was single.

People are just lazy :P
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by virtualharvestva May 26, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
It?s a very diverse classified listing site, and just like most anything can be misused for wrongful purposes. I am glad they are restructuring and monitoring the ads more closely. I have found it to be a very responsive tool for marketing. The diversity generates a tremendous amount of traffic and users benefit in numerous ways ? both in business and personal capacities.

I use it in marketing to develop my business... read more at: http://blog.virtualharvestva.com/.
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by beatyourprice July 22, 2009 3:38 PM PDT
The problem is not craigslist. problem is people do post all this ads and you cant stop it. I run free classified ads site http://www.beatyourprice.com i keep delete them and they come back from diff. ip address. And if they dont post ads in craigslsit they will find diff classified sites.
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