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May 13, 2009 11:25 AM PDT

Sex worker says Craigslist changes won't stop prostitution

by Greg Sandoval

Catherine, a 35-year-old sex worker in San Francisco, is disgusted with U.S. lawmakers for demanding that Craigslist abolish the "erotic services" section.

Craig Newmark, Craigslist founder

She says she knew something was amiss on Monday when she attempted to post an ad, offering a massage with "a happy ending." Catherine, who posts on Craigslist about eight times a month, was prevented from posting and couldn't understand why.

"This is ridiculous," Catherine told CNET News. "It is a sign of an immature society to repress sexuality. You're going to create more violence by doing this. The more you repress or distort sexuality, the more problems you create." She described the move by the state attorneys general as "completely incompetent."

Craig Newmark, the man who founded Craigslist, said less than a month ago that there were no plans to dump the erotic-services category. But on Wednesday, the site announced that the Web classifieds publication will do away with its controversial "erotic services" section and replace it with a new "adult services" section. The biggest difference between them will be that for the first time all text and photos will be manually reviewed before they are posted in adult services.

Catherine, who has lived in the United States for 10 years, spoke with CNET News on the condition that she would remain anonymous. She asked to be identified in the article as "Catherine," after the actress, Catherine Deneuve, who played the role of a young housewife moonlighting as a prostitute in the film "Belle de Jour."

She said she can't believe that anyone would think shutting down Craigslist's erotic-services section will prevent prostitution. She said that people like her will attempt to post ads that will avoid detection by the human screeners. If that fails, she predicts that people will go to sites like Eros.com or elsewhere.

"I spoke with one of my clients," Catherine said. "The man is a bank official and he was devastated when he heard (the Craigslist) news."

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by myles taylor May 13, 2009 11:35 AM PDT
Prostitution has and always will exist and making it illegal only makes it unsafe and drives it underground. Prostitution needs to be legalized, regulated, and taxed.
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by Dleon84 May 13, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
I AGREE! Thank you! Somebody with common sense.
by indeliblelve May 17, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
Despite the perennial problem of prostitution, it does not justify the decriminalization of it. To decriminalize the act is to sanction promiscuous behavior. What value does society place on human life to permit the commodification of women as sexual objects, something which is already fed to us by the outlets of mass media.

To argue that if prostitution is not legalized it will drive the problem underground, holds no water. I could say the same for legalizing meth, and cocaine.

What happened to virtuosity like in the days of Socrates? Can we not discern any longer what is good for the human condition?

Peace out...
by myles taylor May 13, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
Prostitution has and always will exist and making it illegal only makes it unsafe and drives it underground. Prostitution needs to be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

Did you mean a message with a happy ending or a massage?
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by GuardBoy98 May 13, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
First, why doesn't anything get proofread anymore? She "new?" She offered a "message" with a happy ending? C'mon.

Second, I just have to laugh at the bank official who was "devastated" when he heard the news. Either an exaggeration, or he needs to take a deep breath.

I agree with the woman's opinion that repressing sexuality only causes problems, but Craig's list is a service, not a political group. When 80% of the country has never heard of the site, it's not good that they are getting publicity for being a tool for prostitution. And some groups want to hold Craig's list responsible for the actions of its users. If they are taken to court, even if they win, the cost of defending themselves wouldn't be worth standing up for people's right to use their site to break the law.

This isn't an issue of whether prostitution is moral or not. It's an issue of liability.
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by torontocitylife May 13, 2009 12:21 PM PDT
"doesn't anything get proofread" -- no kidding. It's not exactly a major proofreading job either. I also chuckled when I read about the devastated official. I mean, didn't he get this news from the prostitute herself? Is he losing her number all the time and Craig's List was his only way to get it back? Maybe he could've asked for it when he was talking to her.

But I have to disagree about liability. If it was Craig's List that made this decision, then yes. But this was the government forcing them to do this. This is a simple example of a knee-jerk reaction to public opinion and nothing else.
by sandonet May 13, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
Sandoval here. This is my fault. I'm trying to get stories up fast and posting without doing a good enough job reading it over. Our copydesk is excellent and they aren't getting a chance to read before posting. They can only sigh and correct my mistakes. I'll take more time before hitting the publish key. My sincerest apologies to all.
GS
by Chapmaniac May 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Proof-reading is what your editor is there for - not your readers. Being in a hurry is no excuse for side-stepping QA. I'm glad you don't produce vehicles or computer equipment.
by veritat2009 May 13, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
To Torontocitylife and chapmaniac: I hope that you put as much effort in protecting the environment (e.g. recycling, not driving a car...) than you do in correcting others grammar.
by myles taylor May 15, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
Come on you guys. I noticed it (and mentioned it in my comment as well) but you try writing for a living without ever making a mistake. Even after proofreading something several times you can miss something. Often all it needs is a fresh set of eyes. Get over it and move on.
by hutwarmer May 13, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
"sex worker" sounds cool. definately better than "hooker" or "prostitute".
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by Chapmaniac May 13, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
How about "relaxation therapist?"
by jmans1212 May 13, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
The so called providers will find other sites to post on. I never understand how someone could think a website is responsible for anything a user does. People in the US and this era always want someone else to blame for misfortune. It isn't enough to go after the person that has done the crime but also complain about the tool that was used. If it was a printed newspaper add that the person would go after the newspaper or yellow page ad? Grow up people. Websites, Newspapers, Yellow page ads, are there to list various services for people to provide.
If people were harmed or attacked because they put an ad on the site offering to sell some of their furniture before a move would they ask craigslist to remove the furniture section?
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by May 13, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
Ass long ass i half "spellcheck", who kneads two proof reed?
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by justme2405 May 13, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
Your client is a bank official. hmmm is the bank checking his emails? Are they monitoring what the hell he is doing on the bank's time? Howabout you councel him to be with his wife or find a real woman instead of a *****.
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by hutwarmer May 13, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
its 'sex worker', not *****.
by Toulinwoek May 13, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
I have to agree with GuardBoy. No one expects what Craigslist is doing to stamp out prostitution. As long as there are idiots idiotic enough to actually pay for sex there will be skanks galore willing to turn that buck.
The opinion of the "Sex Worker" is laughable. Listen, I don't allow illegal drugs to be sold from my home (or legal ones for that matter), but I have no illusion that that's going to stop the illegal drug trade! That chick obviously has more air in her head than the tires on a trucker's rig! It's not sexuality she's worried about repressing (sexuality is alive and well in bedrooms across the country); it's her money she doesn't want repressed.
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by veritat2009 May 13, 2009 1:42 PM PDT
To Toulinwoek: Sexualiity is alive and well in bedrooms across the country?? Please read below.

American scientists, specially Thomas G. Travison, Ph.D., of the New England Research Institutes, reveal, in a Massachusetts Male Aging Study dated October 23, 2006 --which has been tracking behavioral and physiological traits for 1,709 men born between 1916 and 1945?that men born more recently had Testosterone levels that were surprisingly low. The 60-year-old in 2003 had about 15 percent less testosterone than the 60-year-old in 1988, according to Thomas G. Travison, Ph.D.

IWhy Would Testosterone Levels in the United States today be Substantially Lower than They Were 15 years Ago?

Relating to the study, Richard Conniff, in his article ?Testosterone under Attack? published in Men?s Health Magazine dated October 13, 2008, concludes that ?We're not likely to have good answers anytime soon. The reproductive problems of human males will remain understudied, says Dr. Michel Harman, M.D., Ph.D., an endocrinologist at the University of Arizona college of medicine and the director of the Kronos Longevity Research Institute, in part because federal research dollars are being diverted to issues like biological warfare and terrorism. "We might just wind up disappearing from the planet quietly?, he says, "because we were too busy fighting wars to figure out that our reproductive systems were going south. So which are you? And what should you do? A good doctor is the place to start, but even doctors have no certain answers, and your government has guaranteed doctors won't get answers for decades to come?.
by veritat2009 May 13, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
To Toulinwoek: Prostitution equals money??? I don't think so. I thought to look for money, I had to check the Forbes annual Billionaires List???
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by givemeabreak44 May 13, 2009 6:21 PM PDT
In San Francisco the ads are already being placed on another site http://classifieds.enterto.com/
Make it legal and tax it!
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by Lumiseon May 15, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
See, this is why I'm hating the USA so much right now. Our stupidass Christian-infested government seems to think that making prostitution illegal is going to help. All making it illegal does is make people do it more dangerously, and increase the amount of rape. I swear, as soon as these stupidass old fogeys die, this country can MAYBE get back on track. And if not, I'm oving to Europe.
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by Lerianis3 May 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
Hey, that true whether you are talking about heterosexuality, pedosexuality or homosexuality. Making these sexualities illegal, no matter how 'little' of it you make illegal unless you are talking about forcible rape is WRONG and IDIOTIC!

We would do better to allow ALL sexualities and butt out of people's choices of sexual partners (even if they are 'young') unless they are forcing those people into sex with threats of force or physical force.
Even for pedosexuals, this is NOT usually the case. Most pedosexuals (coming from my experiences as a child) ASK the child whether they can touch them sexually and get their permission, then the child goes whining to the parents when the person does something they don't like, without EVER EVEN TRYING to tell the person to stop.
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