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April 19, 2009 10:23 PM PDT

Adobe's Flash comes to TVs, set-top boxes

by Marguerite Reardon
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A mock-up of what Adobe Flash for TVs would look like.

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From the PC to the TV, Adobe Systems wants to bring rich Web animation and video into consumers' living rooms.

The company will on Monday announce its latest version of its Flash multimedia platform that will essentially put its technology in Internet connected TVs, set-top boxes, Blu-ray players, and other digital home devices. The main purpose of the TV and consumer electronics optimized Flash is to allow viewers to see high-definition video, interactive applications and new user interfaces right on their TVs.

As part of the announcement, the company revealed a number of partners that plan to use the technology, including, Intel, Comcast, Disney Interactive, Netflix, Atlantic Records, and the New York Times Company.

Until now, Adobe's Flash Player has mainly been used on computers to make animation and video from Web sites like YouTube available in a Web browser. And the company has been very successful in this market. About 80 percent of online videos worldwide are viewed using Adobe Flash technology, according to comScore.

The company has also adapted its technology to create a mobile version of Flash that is used on smartphones. The mobile version lets people watch Flash-enabled video on the go. Now Adobe is turning its attention to the living room and big screen HD TVs. This means that people could have full access to the entire YouTube library of video on their TVs instead of a subset that has been specially encoded for TV viewing.

"There are some products and services that offer a subset of online video for TVs," said Anup Murarka, director of technology strategy and partner development for Adobe's Flash Platform Business Unit. "But they don't provide all the content. For example, a lot of devices play back YouTube content. But they can't offer all the videos on YouTube."

Developers will also be able to create "widgets" for TVs to help bring Web content onto the TV screen. Widgets are specially designed Web applications that can easily be added to consumer electronics devices.

Yahoo is also offering widget technology for TVs, which it co-developed with Intel. The Yahoo Widget Channel provides access to Flickr, Yahoo News, Yahoo Weather and Yahoo Finance, USA Today, YouTube, eBay and Showtime Networks, among others. Motorola, Samsung, and Toshiba are all planning to add Yahoo Widgets on some of their new TVs.

Murarka said that Yahoo is not really competing with Adobe. He pointed out that both Adobe and Yahoo are working with Intel, and he said the Flash technology was actually complimentary to what Yahoo is doing with its Widget Channel.

"Yahoo supports Flash on desktops and our hope is that they will support Flash in TVs as well," he said. "We see Flash as being valuable in a number of new frame works."

Murarka wouldn't say which consumer electronics makers plan to use the new version of Flash, but the technology is available to device makers and application developers now. And Flash-enabled TVs and set-tops should be out later this year.

Marguerite Reardon has been a CNET News reporter since 2004, covering cell phone services, broadband, citywide Wi-Fi, the Net neutrality debate, as well as the ongoing consolidation of the phone companies. E-mail Maggie.
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by JimPratt3 April 19, 2009 11:42 PM PDT
"A mock-up of what Adobe Flash for TVs would like." You mean, "would look like"? More great proofreading on CNET.
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by DiSyFeR April 20, 2009 3:12 AM PDT
Maybe there was a glitch in the speech recognition software that caused it to became "tongue tied" (if you will). Would look like? How about "Would resemble"? Is there a script linked to a grammatically correct dictionary? I think Disney should get more involved in Kids Education. Disney Interactive and Pearson could make new leaps. Just make sure I'm involved.
by tm_anon April 19, 2009 11:56 PM PDT
So does this mean that now we're going to get to see all those annoying Flash banner ads over television shows just like we get to see on so many websites?

Time for Adblock Plus to make a port to television the moment someone starts doing that.
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by cdotspace April 20, 2009 5:17 AM PDT
Last night I was watching Comedy Central. They interrupted the show I was watching with so many ads that I turned the TV off. You do know that you can do that don't you?

I'm curious, do you also hate film since they use it to make all of those annoying ads you see on TV?

As much as I hate admitting this out loud, advertising is a part of our lives, get over it.
by extirpator April 22, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
Flash adds always pop up in annoying ways and often force interfering ads over the content people are trying to get at. The closest channel currently to flash levels of interference is G4TV which I avoid like the plague. When flash like ads and other content occupy more on screen space than the content you are interested in the it is indeed time to turn off what ever it was and walk away. I feel sorry for the channels that will loose viewers due to in ability to understand people do not respond well to having garbage shoved in their face.
by manualfunky April 20, 2009 1:08 AM PDT
the concept of journalism is to report... not spell correctly.

as long as the reader understands what the journalist is trying to convey, then they have successfully done there job



And yes I put "there" instead of "their" just to prove a point
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by TV James April 20, 2009 9:18 AM PDT
And that's what copy-editors are for. It's not good enough to put something out there with mistakes.
by NCKB April 20, 2009 3:51 AM PDT
GREAT! Now in addition to our PC's, Adobe can crash our televisions.
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by xhadow April 20, 2009 4:14 AM PDT
Or worse we can be continuously bugged that Adobe flash needs an update, right during a pivotal play during a big game.
by mikehill33 April 20, 2009 5:41 AM PDT
Will it come with the annoying nag-ware updater like all Adobe products?
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by seespottype April 20, 2009 5:42 AM PDT
In terms of desktop applications (not back end), Adobe has realized Sun's dream for Java - it is the place to develop OS independent UI applications. There are a book of lessons in Adobe's success - a KISS philosophy, shallow but content oriented api, and a relatively low key presence. Somehow, it allowed them to skirt issues that dogged other internet products (Who hasn't appreciated the irony of web sites that passionately advocate for non-proprietary browser standards, that serve up Adobe advertisements?).

I can understand why some companies battle to keep Adobe off their devices - it is a trojan horse of functionality that can dominate/trump the device OS. At the same time, I can also see why a TV maker would welcome Adobe - get that running, and then reap the benefits of all those applications/content.

Congrats, Adobe.
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by JimPratt3 April 20, 2009 6:21 AM PDT
Oh, great. Justification for bad grammar! Appalling, really.
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by dnheller April 20, 2009 8:17 AM PDT
Brilliant. More slow-loading, slow-working, and annoyingly modal applications that nobody is asking for. I guess it's OK if my set-top box offers a "Skip" button or link while I'm waiting for my program to start.
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by JoeVA1963 April 20, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Adobe in my living room? That is nuts. It is bad enough you need software to keep crap off your computer, now you need it for your pleasure? I just hope television manufacturers and similar devices allow a consumer to completely remove UNWANTED crap from the... errr. televisions now. I don't need Adobe to tell me what to see, I don't need the New York Times (or any other news agency) to tell me what to read. And people, just think what the politicians will do with the technology :)
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by ExWinUser April 20, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Great article! Adobe is an innovative company with great products like Flex, CF, Flash Pro, etc...
In my case, the Flash Player enables my Flex apps to be utilized on Windows, Linux, and Macs. I don't have to worry about coding for a particular web browser. My computer network co-workers can't understand the Flash Players importance, they only get wood if I mention the word Cisco.
Even though YouTube has plenty of s****y content on its site, it also has some good stuff like "the triumph of the nerds". I'd like to watch that on my tv rather than on my PC monitor. Adobes Flash Player is awesome and just as important as MS Office, or any other critical app on the desktop PC.
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by BtmnHatesRbn April 20, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Now we'll ultimate control of all content, and see the sale of media like DVDs and even iTunes content disappear over the next ten years. Unless people don't buy these TVs and ignore the features.
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by JoeVA1963 April 20, 2009 8:30 AM PDT
Adobe in my living room? That is nuts. It is bad enough you need software to keep crap off your computer, now you need it for your pleasure? I just hope television manufacturers and similar devices allow a consumer to completely remove UNWANTED crap from the... errr. televisions now. I don't need Adobe to tell me what to see, I don't need the New York Times (or any other news agency) to tell me what to read. And people, just think what the politicians will do with the technology :)
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by P_F_M April 20, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
If only those masterminds would pause from their quest of world domination through subliminal messages long enough to figure out how to make a 64Bit version of Flash for Windows...
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by puterdummie June 11, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
I totally agree.Forget about Flash Player for SET TOPS and TV's. If Adobe's Engineers are so smart,why the hell can't they make a version that is compatible with 64bit version with Vista.In my opinion,Adobe SUXS. They have been promising to release a new version after the release of version 10,no such luck.We need to apply pressure since all of the new Computers come with 64 bit OS.Does Adobe have blinders on and not recognize the problem or is it that they just don't give a R----t's A--.Guess you guys can tell that I am very frustrated.
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by Norseman April 20, 2009 8:45 AM PDT
Maybe I can use this Flash set-top box to heat my home in the winter also. Whenever I run something that uses Flash on my laptop, you can feel the case temperature go up and the fans start to rev up. I'm sure the reason the iPhone doesn't use Flash is because it's a processor hog that would drain the battery in a matter of minutes.
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by corbey50 April 20, 2009 9:13 AM PDT
Oh, great! Now they'll be tracking our viewing habits with Flash cookies and sending targeted ads to our TVs. And they'll probably make it impossible to block this crap. I won't be upgrading my set-top box anytime soon.
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by Twizznot April 20, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
WE all knew this was coming! Flash has come a long way.!! Some company talk about interactive TVs ... but ADOBE has actually done something about it! Congradulations! to all the developers and content providers and the people BEHIND Flash !!! I LOVE THIS STUFF and for all you flash haters ...keep hating theres really nothing your hate can do about it!
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by Norseman April 20, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
theres really nothing your hate can do about it!

Yes, there is. I can avoid buying Adobe products and products that have Flash embedded in them.
by BModIndoctrination April 20, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
I agree with above, if I owned a T.V. I would not want to have Flash's annoying ads on it. Flash does have some good uses, YouTube, however it also has some horrible ones, ads. I am thankful for Flashblock add-on to Firefox that allows me to choose what Flash content to actually view.

The one thing that does not make me very happy is Adobe can now bring Flash to our T.V.s but they can not bring a native 64-bit Flash player to 64-bit Windows or Mac OS?
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by chowbiz April 21, 2009 5:21 AM PDT
A TV is a combination of receiver and monitor. Every time a new feature like this comes out, we are forced to either buy an entirely new TV or to do without. With 1080P as the expected standard for some time, why not create a monitor for the masses that has a number of inputs so we don't have to replace the whole enchilada? I'm not using the tuner in my Sony TV since I have to have a set-top box. Likewise, I don't have any use for the built-in speakers since I have a home-theater system. I suppose the fact that this is essentially a picture-in-picture solution is hardwired into the display, but geez, I don't see myself replacing my 3-year old set just for this feature. I've cobbled together my PS3, TV, and computer and feel like I can get enough services through streaming that the addition of Flash just does not seem all that appealing.
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