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April 8, 2009 6:52 PM PDT

Did MLB.com's video player strike out on opening day?

by Greg Sandoval
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Some subscribers of Major League Baseball's streaming-video service are complaining that the new player, powered by Adobe Flash, isn't ready for the big leagues.

After receiving plenty of favorable reviews from technology blogs, some MLB.com subscribers have complained about stuttering and stalling video while watching on Monday, opening day for baseball. Some of the same problems continued on Tuesday, according to reports. Subscribers of MLB.com's GameDay Audio service also reported that archived games haven't been accessible since Monday.

" The video froze on me in the ninth inning. I couldn't see the finish (of the Twins ninth-inning rally on Tuesday night) until ESPN came on... I was mad."
-- Charlie Wagner, CNET photographer

The irony is that Major League Baseball Advanced Media (MLBAM), the unit that oversees the streaming service, discontinued using Microsoft's Silverlight player because of chronic glitches and disagreements over how the player should function, CNET reported on Monday. In the story, Bob Bowman, CEO of MLBAM declined to go into detail about why he dropped Microsoft but said baseball is engaged in an ongoing dispute with Microsoft "because of the significant problems" the league encountered last year.

"I wonder how long before Adobe gets the boot," Timothy Thorson told CNET. Thorson said he is a longtime MLB.com subscriber and listens to the games from his home in Germany, where he works as a pianist and translator. "Baseball is one of the things I miss most about the U.S. There are others like me who get up in the morning and want to listen to the game and now we can't."

The glitches affected less than 1 percent of the company's 500,000 subscribers and were not caused by Adobe's player, said Matt Gould, MLBAM's spokesman. Gould added that as of Wednesday evening, eight games were in progress and three were completed and there were no complaints. "We didn't bat 1.000 on opening day, but there are 2,200 games remaining in the major league season. We look forward to providing the most engaging high-def experience for our subscribers."

Adobe said in a statement: "We've been in regular contact with MLB.com, and have heard nothing but praise about the Flash platform."

"We've been in regular contact with MLB.com, and have heard nothing but praise about the Flash platform."
--Adobe

Gould said the malfunctions were relatively minor and were far fewer and less severe than last season, when many subscribers were unable to even log in. That was when MLB.com was using Silverlight. Gould said that delivering true high-definition streaming video is a complex task and baseball is only now working out the kinks because it couldn't fully test the video feeds from major league ballparks until opening day. Teams don't play in their home stadiums during spring training.

"We've had very small window to do end-to-end testing," Gould said.

As I discussed the situation with Gould on the phone, Charlie Wagner, a CNET photographer overheard me. He told me he was prevented from seeing a ninth-inning rally by his favorite team, the Minnesota Twins, Tuesday night when his MLB.com video player broke down.

"The video froze on me in the ninth inning," said Wagner, who has subscribed to the service for three years. "I couldn't see the finish until ESPN came on... I was mad."

Despite the problems, he Wagner said he thinks the picture quality is better.

As for Silverlight, the company declined to comment but on a blog post, Steve Sklepowich, a Microsoft executive, did challenge one of Bowman's assertions about Adobe. Bowman suggested that Adobe was a better fit for baseball because of Flash's wide consumer adoption.

"While Flash 9 may have high penetration," Sklepowich wrote, "the Swarmcast NexDef plug-in that helps power MLB's HD experience has virtually no adoption. Ubiquity here is a red herring. What customers really want are high quality solutions. Silverlight has been doing that since its inception and already supports the ability to deliver true HD using IIS Smooth Streaming with no additional plug-in required."

Perhaps Bowman described the situation best this week when he said that streaming video on the Web isn't as trustworthy yet as television. "You turn on the TV and it just works," he said. "(Internet video) still has a ways to go."

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by joelFiser April 8, 2009 8:10 PM PDT
I suppose it draws readers to ignite a Flash / Silverlight flame war - however, the reality is, the problems in either case probably lie with the way the Players were coded rather than the technology behind the code.

You can code a good Player with Flash / Silverlight and you can make a Player that doesn't function properly using either technology. I've been making them for a living for the past 3 years (dsc.discovery.com/videos) and, like any piece of software, it's easier to get wrong than right - but it definitely can be done right using Flash. I assume the same for Silverlight.

If it's not working properly, they just need a better geek.
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by RobinTheBoyWonderingWTF April 8, 2009 8:24 PM PDT
I also found it wanting. I watched, tried to watch I should say, Dodgers and Padres and the sound was so out of sync with the audio, and earlier in the night, I was freezing every 10 seconds. I did not even bother today.
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by RobinTheBoyWonderingWTF April 8, 2009 8:26 PM PDT
II meant to say, the audio was out of sync with video. even though one expects the video to laq behind the audio, it was the opposite in this case.
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by HeyJoeJoe April 8, 2009 9:53 PM PDT
I, like Charlie Wagner, have subscribed to MLB.TV for 3 years. This year is BY FAR the best launch of the last 3. Picture quality is better, game switching is better and in-game updates are better.

The "special" Silverlight update for MLB.TV last year was a complete joke. No other Silverlight using web site recognized the update, like CNN Video, so you had to re-load the previous version of Silverlight to watch other video (Microsoft's suggestion!) then load the "special" version to watch MLB.TV again. Yeah, I'm going to take the time to do that. NOT.

Kudos to Bob Bowman and MLBAM for making the switch to a more stable environment. Last year I spent a week in MLB.TV's discussion forums working out issues. This year, I've just watched MLB.TV.
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by ewelch April 8, 2009 10:15 PM PDT
What Microsoft shill started this rumor about it being Adobe's fault?

It's freaking opening day! Let's hear how its going in a bout a month, okay? What a lame hit piece done at the behest of Ballmer.
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by gregglewa April 8, 2009 10:52 PM PDT
It is not only video, the Gameday Audio is having lots of problems too.

I subscribe to hear the Cubs on WGN radio. So far this year there has not been a SINGLE Cubs home game on MLB.com, so that means no archive either.

Also, the Silverlight fiasco last year was pretty bad. I could never seem to get it working well. Possibly it was my hatred of all things Microsoft, but adding Silverlight seemed to bog down my computer. I quickly removed it and used the Classic Player.
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by DonBurnett April 8, 2009 11:03 PM PDT
There is such a thing as server delivery issues and bandwidth over the net. I suspect both flash and silverlight aren't immune to them. I also don't understand why MLB doesn't support both flash and silverlight, and give people a choice and let them decide. It would be much more democratic.
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by Dalkorian April 9, 2009 4:20 PM PDT
You want to allow the convicted monopolist into the game to be more democratic? Are you on crack? Silverlight should be taken behind the woodshed and beaten to a bloody mass with a Louisville Slugger. It has no other purpose in the world except to attempt to take over where someone else is enjoying some success. M$ has *NEVER* played well with others and never will, so asking for them to get a fair shake in anything rings hollow with everyone who hasn't prostituted themselves on the altar of Ballmer.
by monkeyfun14 April 10, 2009 7:51 PM PDT
@Dalkorian

Its called competition stop being so anti-microsoft for one day.
by tm_anon April 9, 2009 12:11 AM PDT
"While Flash 9 may have high penetration," Sklepowich wrote...

Didn't Flash update to v. 10 at MS? I've been using it for close to 3 months already and I have several friends who just updated to v. 10 a month ago after being prompted on Youtube.
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by April 9, 2009 5:09 AM PDT
I think MLB.TV has improved at the expense of Gameday Audio. The archives from opening day were finally posted last night, but the new Flash media player lacks any kind of playback control such as fast-forward or even pause. Say you've been able to listen to the game all the way up to the bottom of the ninth and then hit an internet glitch which pops you off for a second. Instead of being able to re-start the game from that point (as you could in previous years), you are forced to sit through the entire broadcast again (often including 30-40 minutes of pre-game coverage). Unacceptable!

I agree that Silverlight was bad, but I hadn't heard of anyone having trouble with the Windows Media Player version in previous years. I'm not sure why they had to change Gameday Audio.
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by bray_john April 9, 2009 5:49 AM PDT
The last commenter is exactly right. Gameday Audio - a great product - has been destroyed for no apparent reason. And, the "no apparent reason" is certainly applicable when you consider that MLB is still using WMP for the Spanish broadcasts and those are working just fine.
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by April 9, 2009 6:49 AM PDT
I really am upset with the quality of the picture. Everything is fine for a few minutes, then the big freeze. Still haven't heard from MLB.com tech. support. I have not been able to watched 1 full game yet, and that includes all spring training games. I attempted to get help from tech support 4 days ago. I was sent a canned message that said they are workig on it, and I could ask for a refund if I have not had MLB.com over 5 days. Real helpful, firget their tech support..
This thing is really the pits. I am back to hearing the the games on local am radio. Hey MLB.com. You struck out again......Worst product on the internet.
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by gefitz April 9, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
Wow. No archived video yet? "We couldn't test it live from ballparks because teams were in Arizona and Florida"?! You've got to be kidding. Take a picture of the groundskeepers and dummy up some sound, for heavens sake...Give me a break!
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by sandonet April 9, 2009 9:55 AM PDT
gefitz,

the spokesman told me that there isn't anyone staffing video or other important functions in the stadiums until opening day. Just an FYI
by stwheeler April 9, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
I'm a UK based baseball fan and have used internet radio and tv coverage via mlb.com since the very first broadcasts.

I'm convinced this video player will be the best once the kinks are ironed out, BUT.......the audio player in archive mode is almost unusable, and sadly i'm not exaggerating.

Listening live, maybe no problem. But with games at 3am UK time almost all my listening is archived. There is no fast forward, rewind, pause or indeed any other user controllable function. not even a timer to let you know how long the archive lasts or show elapsed or remaining time. So unless you can set aside at least 4 hours without being disturbed, you're out of luck.

In archived mode It is, in effect, a car without a steering wheel.

The failings are so fundimental as to be shocking. Has no-one heard as consumer testing?
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by mooney101 April 9, 2009 9:42 AM PDT
The big problems are the fact that most people are using outdated hardware or their system is so flooded with junkware it can't run.
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by krriley April 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
No, the Gameday Audio issues are not a hardware or system performance issue. The archived audio for the April 6th games (Opening Day) wasn't available on the MLB Media Center site for the better part of and a half days.

I agree with bray_john and stwheeler concerning the apparent sacrifice of Gameday Audio for the MLB.tv options. One can tell based on the layout of the player and its options (or lack thereof) that it is geared for video subscribers. The lack of controls for archived audio is very shortsighted. Having been a Gameday Audio subscriber for over five years, I would have been happy to beta test Gameday Audio for the new player. Based on other comments from the MLB Support forum, I don't believe this player was adequately tested.

Mr. Sandoval, thanks for bringing attention to this matter. I hope this article will help ensure the folks at MLB work to rectify the issues for all of its subscribers.
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by AMK0326 April 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
Silverlight and Flip4Mac worked perfectly for me during the 2008 season. One major advantage was my ability to cable my MacBook Pro to my HDTV via Quicktime and get Full Screen on the HDTV. The new MLB service got of to a wretched start, but I have now had excellent performance the past two days watching Red Sox/Rays. Stuttering, re-buffering, and freezes have disappeared from this feed. However, despite numerous attempts, I have not been able to get usable video on my HDTV.

MLB's removal of its entire informative blog is inexcusable. Many loyal subscribers had supplied helpful comments during the extended beta test. Bad judgment on MLB's part.
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by gwood3 April 10, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
I've subscribed to Gameday Audio since the first year it was offered. Living in Europe, most games are played when I'm asleep, so I have to listen via on-demand the next day. Even when the archived games finally showed up, they were almost impossible to listen to because of the lack of fast forward, rewind or pause controls. Since MLB.com seems to start recording an hour before the games actually start, you have to have a fast forward to actually get to the game.

Who ever heard of a media player without basic navigation controls?
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by fenwayguy April 12, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
Opening day? We're now a week into the season, and MLBAM still hasn't figured out their donkey from their elbow. It's way more than "stuttering and stalling video while watching on Monday." The problems with their video and audio products, for which subscribers have paid as much as $110 each, appear chronic and pervasive. Customer response is virtually non-existent.

Visit the MLB.TV video and Gameday audio support forums* to see how "satisfied" their customers are. There are calls for class-action lawsuits, the elimination of media blackouts, the repeal of MLB's antitrust exemption and the firing of Bob Bowman. The MLB.TV fiasco is turning into a MAJOR embarrassment for MLB.

* http://www.mlbsupport.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1
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by Monkeydoes April 14, 2009 6:37 PM PDT
Less than 1%??? Who is he kidding? All one has to do is go to the MLB 'Support' Forums and see that place is on fire with irrate customers and not just from opening day it's continued all week and has stretched the spectrum of media (MLB-TV and Gameday Audio) and all levels of service as well as across the league. I had one Customer Support person try to blame the 'stadium' as the cause of the problems before I had to inform him that the feed that MLB sells to XM radio was working just fine (as opposed to their streaming online audio).

Goulds comments that the problems were rare and minor goes beyond marketing spin and into the realm of outright lying. The problems were widespread and involved MANY games plus when the audio feed was actually up and running the player would then cut out every 20 minutes or so and require a person to shut it down and restart it ... again looking at the 'support' forums it wasn't just me so ... as CS tried to tell me again ... it likely Was NOT my system or inadequate capabilities etc etc etc

From Gould's comments it is clear to see where Customer Support gets their direction and philosophy ... blame the customer first hopefully they'll go away or the problem will magically fix itselt.

Congress? It's time to break up MLB's illegal broadcast monopoly over the game of baseball! A little competiveness might result in actual service and a usable product ... ironically for making that comment in the support forum I was 'warned' to stop making insulting posts. STOP THE MLB Broadcast MONOPOLY!
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by Monkeydoes April 14, 2009 6:57 PM PDT
As a footnote .. tonight after one half inning between the Cards and DBacks the Adobe Audio Player did what Matt Gould says it doesn't do and simply cut out and went dead requiring the window to be closed and going back to the media center and restarting the audio.

In the for what it's worth column ... the Adobe flash player has <not> malfunctioned for every single game I have <not> listened to since opening day including <not> tonight too.
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