February 23, 2009 4:00 AM PST

Why Web radio faces another crisis

by Greg Sandoval
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Few people know this but for a little while last year, the music-royalty rates that Web radio stations have complained about for years appeared to be behind them.

Pandora founder Tim Westergren

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In a midtown Manhattan law office last November 6, representatives from Webcasting companies and SoundExchange, the group that collects royalties for recording artists and labels, struck a deal "in principle," said sources familiar with the negotiations. The agreement was designed to restructure the royalty rates Webcasters have long said would decimate the sector.

But a week ago, came word that a final deal was never signed. The Digital Media Association (DiMA), the group that represents most of the largest Webcasters, including Pandora, Live365 and Yahoo, announced that the parties failed to reach an agreement. How could that happen? Both sides told members of Congress in September that they were close to a deal. In November, the blog All Things Digital reported a settlement was within grasp and quoted Pandora founder Tim Westergren saying "all the hard stuff has been done."

After interviewing multiple sources on both sides of the issue, the picture that has taken shape is that Webcasters blew a golden opportunity to reach an accord that would have given them much of what they asked for. What appears to have happened is that some in Webcasting were willing to play a game of brinkmanship with SoundExchange. At the very least, the actions of some larger Webcasters undermine their claims that they can't afford to continue for much longer without a settlement.

There is still a chance the two sides can come to terms. Talks are ongoing. But as it stands, time is quickly running out and nothing has occurred to indicate a breakthrough is near, according to sources on both sides. If a settlement isn't reached, its conceivable that some Web radio stations that legitimately can't afford to pay the performance fees set by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) two years ago may be in jeopardy. Representatives from SoundExchange declined to comment. Westergren did not return repeated phone calls.

Did Real want a deal?
There's no doubt who the music side blames for derailing the agreement.

The November settlement only began to unravel after executives from RealNetworks reversed their position and informed SoundExchange weeks after the meeting that it no longer accepted the terms, according to music industry sources who requested anonymity because of ongoing negotiations. They say Real, the media-delivery software company, also lobbied other DiMA members, including some who didn't attend the November meeting, against accepting the agreement.

Michael King, Real's associate general counsel, denies the company stood in the way. He also noted that other Webcasters eventually rejected the terms.

"We would be happy to do a deal that is sane for the industry," King told CNET News on Friday. "We aren't willing to advocate for rates that are insane."

Insane? Maybe, but there's no arguing that at least one Real executive and other large Webcasters considered the deal sane enough to accept in November.

"If SoundExchange intends to do a deal that everyone agrees to then they have to satisfy RealNetworks. If that's the position they choose to take, then they should do deals that we will sign up to."
--Michael King, attorney for RealNetworks

If there is anything that everyone involved can agree on it's this: Web radio is popular with the public and will only continue to grow. Webcasters typically offer fewer commercials than traditional over-the-air stations. Fans can choose to listen to countless music, news, or talk shows from across the globe.

The fight over how much Webcasting should compensate the music industry goes back to 2002. The two sides failed to reach an agreement and two years later, Congress passed a law creating a three-judge panel called the Copyright Royalty Board within the U.S. Copyright Office. The CRB was created to determine rates when and if the two sides couldn't agree.

In March 2007, after 18 months of hearing testimony from both sides, the CRB decided on an escalating rate structure much like the one suggested by SoundExchange. The decision was a win for the music industry. The CRB set rates retroactively for 2006 at 0.08 cents per song, per listener and climbed each year until finally reaching 0.19 cents in 2010.

Webcasters argue the rates are far too high. They claim the fee structure is what drove AOL and Yahoo out of the business. Both companies have contracted with CBS (parent company of CNET News), to take over their Web radio services. Westergren said last year that Pandora expected royalty payments to gobble up 70 percent of the $25 million the company expected in revenue.

Here's where it gets interesting. Following the CRB's decision, Congress began pressuring the music industry to find middle ground with the Webcasters. Congress was involved because in order for a deal to get done that covered the entire industry, a statutory license was needed. This would save startups entering the business from having to negotiate separate deals with SoundExchange but would also require them to pay the negotiated fees.

Back slapping and congratulations
Last fall, the road to a settlement seemed clear. The two sides had worked together on getting legislation passed that handed them the authority to negotiate a statutory licensing agreement while Congress was adjourned. They also joined forces to fend off an attempt to kill the legislation by the National Association of Broadcasters, the trade group representing traditional broadcast stations. These efforts show, say the music sources, that SoundExchange is negotiating with Webcasters in good faith. Otherwise, why would it bother riding shotgun for the legislation? Had the bill failed to pass, attempts to reduce CRB rates would have died there.

Leading up to the November meetings, there were scant signs of trouble, according to some of the attendees. Prior to the meeting, all the companies agreed to send decision makers so a final deal could be approved there and then. Most of the major stakeholders were represented. After two days, the meeting broke up on Nov. 7 with much back slapping and congratulations. The group had succeeded in forging an agreement that everyone in attendance indicated they could live with, according to the music sources.

The sources said that all that good cheer went out the window weeks later when Real informed SoundExchange that a mistake was made. Real told SoundExchange managers the person who attended the meeting on its behalf was without the authority to make a deal. The attorney who was supposed to attend was unable to appear because his wife had gone into labor. The bottomline was Real no longer accepted the terms.

"(The music guys) are bitching and moaning about process and now they're pointing fingers. The deal didn't get done because of substantive issues. That's the way it is."
--Jonathan Potter, DiMA's executive director

Real's excuse didn't satisfy many on the music side. They argue that the Real exec who attended wasn't isolated. Throughout the meeting, the executive was on the phone with other Real managers, according to the music sources, some who were in attendance. Managers on the music team suspected something was wrong.

As more time went by, the music representatives sensed the November agreement was coming apart and many blamed Real.

In January, the DiMA board, whose members include representatives from Apple, Real, Yahoo, AOL, Live365, and Pandora, voted against accepting the agreement, according to Jonathan Potter, DiMA's executive director.

Potter defended Real. He said majority rules on the board and no one company killed the agreement. "(The music guys) are disappointed," said Potter. "It's hard and frustrating when this stuff happens but they're bitching and moaning about process, and now they're pointing fingers. The deal didn't get done because of substantive issues. That's the way it is."

The talks didn't end with the DiMA vote.

With weeks left to go before the Feb. 15 deadline, Potter wrote an e-mail to Washington lawmakers informing them that there was a stalemate. That was crucial. That indicated to the music side that DiMA, which struggled to get its members to agree amongst themselves on terms, was no longer a factor in the discussions. SoundExchange then began meeting with DiMA members to try and reach an agreement, one company at a time.

All or nothing
What's important to note is that the music industry was focused on signing all the major players or none at all. Unless everyone came aboard, SoundExchange faced expensive arbitrations with each company that declined to settle. Also, the terms of any agreements SoundExchange made could be used against it in arbitration hearings with companies that didn't sign.

On Sunday, with the deadline looming, talks again heated up. According to sources in the music sector, SoundExchange representatives again thought they had a deal. Again, Real appeared to backtrack at the last second.

King, one of Real's lawyers, denies that Real ever agreed to a deal on Sunday and makes no apologies for looking out for the best interest of his company and Webcasting. He said there is nothing to stop SoundExchange from striking one-off deals with other Webcasting companies. He said it isn't Real's fault that SoundExchange has chosen an "all-or-nothing" approach.

"If SoundExchange intends to do a deal that everyone agrees to then they have to satisfy RealNetworks," King said. "If that's the position they choose to take, then they should do deals that we will sign up for."

Regardless of who is at fault, Webcasting finds itself in a tenuous position.

SoundExchange has managed to cut deals with National Public Radio and the NAB. One of the ironies of the situation is that SoundExhange has an acrimonious relationship with the NAB, and was working closely with the Webcasters to thwart the NAB's attempt to stall their negotiations. Yet, NAB has a new rate deal and the Webcasters don't.

If things continue going the way they are, royalty rates for Webcasters will once again be set by the CRB and that hasn't worked out too well for them--or so they say.

While bigger companies like Real may be able to afford CRB rates, the question left unanswered is whether Pandora and similar players can afford them as well.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by thelemurking February 23, 2009 5:50 AM PST
We just shut down our stream for our main station due to the increased fees. The cost of running the stream began to far exceed the revenue that the stream was generating. We tried to bundle it with traditional radio sales, tried to sell it as it's on package with the embedded ads in the Liquid Compass player and right when it was about to break even, fees increased. Since sales are down across the board, we had a meeting and agreed that taking the stream down was the right thing to do. At a time when everyone is rushing to make cost cutting changes... SoundExchange wants more money.

It baffles me that a radio station cannot even stream their station online... one would think that the music industry would want this. We're already playing the same content over the air, so why should we have to pay again to play it over the internet?

But what can you expect from an industry that sues 11 year old girls and grandmothers they say are downloading gangsta rap?
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by tremorfireheart February 23, 2009 7:51 AM PST
I don't see how one can set retroactive rates on something. I can see changing the rates they will have to pay from hence forth. also 19 cents per song played per listener? someone can download the song for $0.90-$1.99. over the course of a week anyone who listened to any online station would probably cost the company enough on each song to pay for the consumers own copy of it.
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by GeneralNazort February 23, 2009 10:15 AM PST
It's .19 cents, not 19...
by BtmnHatesRbn February 23, 2009 9:20 AM PST
Internet Radio can work pretty easily. Firstly, since reception isn't like AM/FM, stream at a low quality, like 16 kbps for things like sports and talk radio, and 32 kbps for music and other such artsy-fartsy things. Then, create radio players that use a person's cell phone to get onto a data cell phone network. So, true, Internet Radio may not work, say, in Bumsville, ID, or Biff, NV, but who knows, right? Secondly, ignore the "they" who think they control music rights. Just ignore them. Stage a protest. Oh, never mind. That makes sense, and people don't want to make sense in this world anymore. My bad.
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by TV James February 23, 2009 9:22 AM PST
Streamed music should be free or nearly free. When LaunchCast died last week, I checked out Pandora, but I haven't listened to it too much because I spent years customizing my LaunchCast playlist (which I gladly paid the yearly fee to receive commercial free - one of only two things online I find a value in paying for, the other being Flickr Pro) and I don't have the time/energy to start all over with Pandora.

But I did go to LaunchCast and write down all of the songs I had ranked really high and then went to iTunes and purchased a bunch of them. While the death of LaunchCast did motivate me to buy more music than I normally would have, over the years LaunchCast has introduced me to a bunch of new artists that I would have never otherwise learned about, artists whose music I've subsequently purchased. Mostly a song at a time, though a few times, an entire album.

I will not listen to terrestrial radio, online or over the air. I can't stand the commercials, I can't stand the inane blathering of DJs. I listen to my iPod in the car, iTunes (or occasionally MusicChoice from my TV provider) at home and streaming commercial-free music at work.

I realize I'm being "stealing" (yeah, I DVR TV shows as well and skip the commercials), but figure out a model that works. LaunchCast was an awesome piece of technology that put new music in front of people that would have never otherwise found it. (None of the radio stations here in Seattle that I'd consider listening to would play Australia's Missy Higgins or stuff from The Veronicas like the very catchy, very funny "I Always Thought You Were Gay.")

Short-term greed hurts everyone... hurts long-term profits, hurts artists' chance for exposure, hurts ordinary citizens' chances of being exposed to more than the typical 200 hot-at-the-moment mass-produced drivel that is force fed by the big studios.

Why do they still wrestle with the customer for control?
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by thelemurking February 23, 2009 10:06 AM PST
There's very few commercials terrestrial radio can play online due to more damn licensing fees. The only commercials we streamed at our station were the local ones that we produced. National advertising wants to be paid to play their commercials online despite the fact they pay to have them played over traditional radio. That's why when you listen to a lot of stations online and they go into their commercial break, they will play songs or some sort of PSA type spots. If the stations are focused on their online revenue, then they try to sell online commercials, which can be hard to do in most markets.

Any commercials played on terrestrial radio helps cover the cost of streaming. It's not free by a long shot. You have to pay for the bandwidth, the streaming service and then the whole per song/per listener fee. It's not like stations like to play commercials, but there are costs involved in running a station, both AM/FM and internet.
by taphilo February 23, 2009 9:33 AM PST
Even at $0.0008 per song per person, it is uneconimical. That means if a thousand people listen to a station, that plays just 15 songs in an hour (45 minutes), that station would owe the Soundexchange company $12.00. Scale that up to some big companies getting 100,000 POSSIBLE liseners it could easily get to $1,200.00 AN HOUR to be "on the web". That would mean that ads on those stations would have to be around $200 A MINUTE for those 15 minutes of non music time them to even have a CHANCE at making a profit. Doa 24x7 operation and the small fry people have no possibility of ever staying up - just too darn expensive.
The Copyright board who set the rates are appointed - and likely an all the inside the beltway crowd so are professional board memebers who do not run a business and do not have to know math - thus the rates they set are out of reality with facts on the ground - and any appointed -- it seems they are SES posistion at $125,000 a year plus). Thus, they set arbitraty rates - and no appeal it seems - based on who they know and ignore facts and business principles - ie - they opeate like most of the Federal Government making up rules that never impacts themselves but only others and they wipe their hands of any problems they cause.
If this idea of per person per song stands, then they should do the same for all types of over the air / over the wire media - pay for each possible person who could watch it / hear it and wipe out all sound and visual media in a few years.
Tom philo
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by GeneralNazort February 23, 2009 10:17 AM PST
The ads would have to generate $20 per minute, not $200...
by wxdata February 23, 2009 9:39 AM PST
Another fine example of greed.
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by thelemurking February 23, 2009 10:12 AM PST
Exactly... the rich want to get richer!

It's not like Metallica is living in a trailer park working hard just so they can eat and pay their bills. Madonna had to pay something like 10 million to Guy Richie during their divorce... so I don't think web streaming and illegal downloading are going to put her out on the streets and force her to a life of prostitution. I bet all the record execs and the RIAA live in nice little mansions with a fantastic view... probably have things like multiple vacation homes across the world and they are fighting for a few percentages of a cent for each listener. Greed plain and simple!
by caseycontrarian February 23, 2009 11:57 AM PST
Keep in mind that the performance right for online broadcasts also pay the performing artists (directly), and not just the sound copyright owner (usually the label). So it represents a new and important revenue stream, especially for indie artists who are more likely to be webcast than be spun on over-the-air commercial radio. The breakdown is 45 percent for the copyright owner, 45 percent for the featured performer and 5 percent for the backup performers. This money for the artist doesn't go to the label first to be held against recoupables, so in that regard it represents a step forward for artist compensation.
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by justawebcaster February 23, 2009 12:38 PM PST
Also keep in mind that the CRB rates are unsustainable. GeneralNazort seems to like math. So crunch these numbers.

15 songs per hour X $0.0019 per song per listener (2010 rate) = $0.0285 per hour per listener
24 hours in a day, 365 days in a year...
$0.0285 x 24 x 365 = $249.66 per listener per year.

So a small internet station with 1,000 listeners avg 24/7 would owe almost a quarter of a million dollars a year to SoundExchange? Get real.

$250,000 annual royalties to artists and labels for 1000 people to listen to a radio online! It's absurd.

Add to that the cost of bandwidth, and royalties to BMI, SESAC, ASCAP and it's obviously not a good business proposition to run an online radio station any more.

The result? No royalties to artists, because those who pay them are now out of business....
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by podwerx February 23, 2009 2:50 PM PST
You know. It occurs to me that (with all the inherent costs associated with Web Radio) the bigger players (Apple, Real, Yahoo, AOL, Live365, and Pandora) all stand to benefit from the short term inconvenience of excessive rates. It culls the population of the smaller competitors who can compete for ears. And with the economic clout these large players carry I'm sure they intend to renegotiate once they have enough of the market cornered and listenership locked.

Take iTunes. It's the world's worst economic model for the artist AND the customer, but it's near ubiquitous on the desktop and that is good for a decent percentage of "convenience" sales at the very worst. The big guys can plan for the long view since, in all cases, Web Radio is not their primary source of income.

I hate to say it, but we may be looking at the death of the independent broadcaster online as yet another market falls to corporate marginalization. And the incontrovertible entropy of all things inherently "free".
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by ckani February 24, 2009 11:34 AM PST
It should be the other way around. In what other industries do you have to pay to advertise someone elses wares?
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by CC9999 February 24, 2009 6:15 PM PST
Just started using an ARIR200 Internet Clock Radio. No static. Music companies = all static. Don't listen to broadcast, don't listen to satellite. Thousands of streams - most from other countries. Time for US copyright, music industry to change! I hope local stations find a way to stream, but am not hopeful. That's a shame.....
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by Kainchild February 25, 2009 10:34 AM PST
You got to bear in mind, these media companies already own massive percentage in payed radio stations like Sirrus and cable companies also have their own radio stations that they provide for "free" for the time being to their customers. If they can knock off these smaller radio stations, they can force people to their services.

No doubt people like Microsoft who already made under the table deals with some of these companies will get the first picks of being a provider of such services.
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