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October 13, 2009 7:58 AM PDT

McAfee releases new security suite for Macs

by Lance Whitney
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Updated 1:45am PST Tuesday with pricing information.

McAfee has released a new security suite designed to help businesses better handle security for their growing segment of Macintosh computers.

Targeting small to large companies, McAfee Endpoint Protection for Mac provides antivirus and antispyware features, and both an inbound and outbound firewall, McAfee said Tuesday.

The company is positioning the tool as a plus for IT administrators and for users. Administrators can use the same console to manage McAfee security on both Mac and Windows machines, said the company. The software lets administrators deny or control which applications can run on supported Macs. The suite's ePolicy Orchestrator tool can also generate reports of malicious activity for review.

Some have debated whether the Mac needs security software since it has traditionally been a less visible target than Windows for attack. But with Internet threats continually on the rise, few computer environments are completely immune. Even Apple has advised Mac users to protect themselves with security software.

Antivirus software for the Mac has been sold for a long time by companies such as Symantec and McAfee. But most products have been geared to the individual user.

McAfee sees its Endpoint Protection suite as filling a growing need at schools, companies, and government agencies that have adopted more Macs in recent years.

"The demand for Macintosh in the enterprise is steadily growing, yet organizations are either not using any security technology for these endpoints, or they are using a standalone, non-manageable anti-virus protection solution," Peter Lincoln, IT director at Aquent, said in a statement provided by McAfee. "The use of McAfee Endpoint Protection for Mac enables us to have complete protection on all our endpoints. Using the same integrated management console also allows us to lower our operational cost and ensure security and compliance."

A survey conducted last year by ITIC showed that a greater number of companies were planning to allow Macs into their workforce.

McAfee Endpoint Protection for Mac is compatible with the latest release of Apple's Snow Leopard as well as existing Leopard and Tiger environments. A McAfee spokesperson said the product's retail price would be $55.08 per computer for a network of 500 - 1000 computers. The pricing includes one year of Gold technical support.

Lance Whitney wears a few different technology hats--journalist, Web developer, and software trainer. He's a contributing editor for Microsoft TechNet Magazine and writes for other computer publications and Web sites. You can follow Lance on Twitter at @lancewhit. Lance is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and he is not an employee of CNET.
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by blondepianist October 13, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
As a Mac technician in an IT company, this is very encouraging. I just hope AVG releases a similar product soon, because we prefer them to McAfee.
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by ikramerica--2008 October 13, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
It's valuable that both Macs and PCs can be monitored from one front end, that IT can limit installed apps on the Mac, and that even if the Mac can't run the exploit it accidentally downloaded, it doesn't get forwarded on to unsuspecting Windows users who did nothing wrong on their own, but are infected by a careless mac user.

While there may be some occasional OS X exploits out there, Mac users in a corporate environment are much more dangerous as "immune virus carriers" that may infect others who aren't immune.
by Knightro2 October 13, 2009 8:39 AM PDT
I'm confused. I thought the whole point of having a Mac is because it "doesn't have viruses". That's atleast what all the Apple advertising keeps telling me. (<-sarcasm)
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by WinNoMo October 13, 2009 8:44 AM PDT
Although they are not currently affected by them, they can still be "carriers".
by cvaldes1831 October 13, 2009 9:14 AM PDT
Mac malware is not unheard of. Pure viruses are very rare, there are the occasional Trojans.

Also, much of the protection is for the benefit of Windows users, stuff like cleaning e-mails.

It's *good* that security companies are providing more attention to Macs.
by SactoGuy018 October 13, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
Mind you, this is a pollyanish view given that every year at Def Con we constantly hear about people being able to cause trouble on a Mac by various means. As such, while it may sound like overkill enterprise security designed for Macs is actually a good idea.
by Knightro2 October 13, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
Apparently you guys missed my "sarcasm" notation at the end. I'm aware of the malware and viruses on Macs. I was taking a stab at the false advertising of Macs.
by shycelticwitch October 13, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
In other words... you were trying to start a flame war. And I am sure others will follow. Mac users have never said "we don't get attacked", we simply are not as big a target as MS. To the rest of you who will come here and spout your rhetoric... all you're going to get is tired fingers. We don't care what you have to say about Macs if you're not using one. We get every penny we spend on our Macs back in satisfaction and productivity. And now that more businesses are starting to realize the ROI value of Apple equipment, the addition of virus/malware protection is even more imperative.
by renGek October 13, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
by shycelticwitch October 13, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
Mac users have never said "we don't get attacked", we simply are not as big a target as MS.
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That sounds like back peddling to me. In fact the fanboys do say that macs don't get viruses or gets attacked and still do so. Over the years, its been tempered a weee bit but ads still tries to make you think that it can't get viruses. So its wimpy way of back peddling if you ask me.
by baconstang October 13, 2009 11:44 AM PDT
By any relative or meaningful measure, Macs don't get infected. It's only my experience, but most of the people I know use Macs and NONE of them have gotten a virus or worm. Compared to a significant number of Windows users I know whom have problems from time to time, or on a regular basis.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 13, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
name one fanboy who said macs don't get viruses. no one said macs don't get viruses (not even apple). there just aren't any major ones out there.
by Lennron October 13, 2009 2:01 PM PDT
@ shyceltic & gold storm mac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrdy1p9BYI

If I'm not mistaken, that is one of Apple's latest Mac commercials. I don't think it's too farfetched to say that this commercial pretty much flat out tells you that you will not be getting a virus if you get a Mac. And this is the same message repeated by nearly every fanboy.
by baconstang October 13, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
Well, Macs don't come with thousands of malware problems.
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by cb3431 October 13, 2009 8:46 AM PDT
I just have one question. Mac commercials and Mac users tell me I don't have to worry about getting a virus on a Mac because OS X is immune. Is McAfee just trying to make a quick buck or has Apple been dishonest about the security and quality of their OS? If OS X is immune from getting a virus then it doesn't make any sense for me to purchase McAfee's product.
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by WinNoMo October 13, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
Although they are not currently being affected by virus, they are certainly not immune. The question is, do you spend the time and money protecting yourself from something that doesn't exist, or take your chances? Really depends on what your computer is used for, your backup practices, and how critical your data is.
by cloudmatt October 13, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
your mac is as vulnerable to attack if not more so than a PC. Luckily your also less than 10 percent of everyone on the internet. Writing a virus for mac is like setting bear traps in the Sahara desert, It could catch a bear if there were any to catch.

If you ask me security and anti virus software is a good idea no matter what OS you use. I wouldn't suggest McAfee to anyone. I usually suggest Symantec products AVG is good to not sure what all runs mac though.

and just to reference myself as saying "your mac is as vulnerable to attack if not more so than a PC"
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10154662-83.html
by cvaldes1831 October 13, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
@cb3431:

The Apple ads don't actually state that Macs are immune to viruses. They do assert that Windows PCs get more malware infections than Macs.

Knowledgeable Mac users are aware that there is malware for the Mac, just like there is malware for Linux, just like there is malware for cellphones.

No sense in dramatizing this topic.
by shycelticwitch October 13, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
@ cloudmatt. Find something besides a CNET article that backs your claim, and I will believe it.
by cloudmatt October 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
@ shycelticwitch
K but no crying cause I can

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9072959/Mac_easiest_to_hack_says_10_000_winner
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/security-snow-leopard

I'm not dissing Mac it's a nice simple visually engaging operating platform that is still the industry standard for most artistic endeavors but it's under 10% of the market hence not targeted as much. because of that less of the security holes are found and less effort is made to detect security lapses.

also to reference the above C-net article they got their info from here
http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/iss/xforce/trendreports/

and the less than 10% is backed by W3
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 13, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
apple never said that macs are 100% immune to viruses. you're thinking things.
by Lennron October 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
Since everything else was repeated from the previous comment, I figured I'd repeat it here too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrdy1p9BYI
by Bertbaby October 14, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
Exact verbiage from the Apples site:

Doesn't get PC viruses.

Designed with security in mind, Mac OS X isn?t plagued by constant attacks from PC viruses and malware. Likewise, it won?t slow you down with constant security alerts and sweeps. Every Mac is secure right out of the box, so you can safely go about your work ? or play ? without interruption.

The lawyers had fun crafting that statement.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 14, 2009 1:32 PM PDT
yeah, they don't get PC viruses. as in the viruses that attack PC's only.There is no scanning that occurs. You don't need to configure security settings. the config is already secure out of the box.
by deniceels October 14, 2009 9:44 PM PDT
I can say that 'being secure" means free from attacks as such or even infected in the worst situation, thus it's a misleading statement, can be sued for it if it ever happens.

Eitherway, how do you know you're free from such attacks if you don't have any prompts to tell you that you're safe? Until you really start searching for anomalies in your programs, emails, OS performance, you won't know.
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by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 8:54 AM PDT
I have been dealing with computers for about 40 years now and repaired IBM mainframes for a few years in the 70's. With all the years I have in the field I would say that anyone who doesn't take security on a Mac seriously is an idiot. As a side note, I will make the same statement about any OS. No OS is completely secure. Now, let the flames begin.

Did I mention I am writing this on a Mac running OS X? :-) And for those who are willing to take the time there are free/low cost security solutions out there for the Mac. Little Snitch is a very nice firewall program and Clam AV, which is free although they do ask for donations, is an adequate AV for now. Intego has a very nice line of security products for the Mac, but the yearly subscription fees will mount up quickly.
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by man_w_balls October 13, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
BOO! McAfee and Symantec produce little but garbage-ware.

I second Lil'Snitch & Clam FTW.
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by shellcodes_coder October 13, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
ya, just like Apple does
by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
I used to beta test extensively for Symantec back in my Windows days, And Central Point, PowerQuest and Quarterdeck as well. I stopped testing for Symantec after they bought out all the competition and developed that "we don't have to fix it because we are the only game in town" attitude. they had a habit of ignoring really serious bugs we were reporting and leaving them in the final release. And they nearly had a cow when they found a group of us were using live viruses to actually test their AV product. :-)

Anyway, I also stopped recommending McAfee as well. I have no fondness for either companies products.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 13, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
lil snitch is so annoying
by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
@ Gold_Storm_Mac

Perhaps you should read up on it. It is only annoying if you want to keep track of what is happening. I don't do it, but all you have to do is tell it the first time it pops up to approve that program forever. You can also set it to default to approval of a new rule if you take no action within a certain amount of time. You would also not be a good candidate for a program called File Defense. :-)
by shellcodes_coder October 13, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
Mac users need to install it, this will make sure that all your projects which includes edited videos won't be easily hacked by hackers like Charlie Miller.
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by The_happy_switcher October 13, 2009 9:52 AM PDT
Yeah, because I'm sure my computer is in his cross hairs. And, I'll play the lottery today and win.
by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
Actually, no. If you reread the article this product is designed for business use rather than personal use. For the home user I still say Little Snitch and ClamAV will do a nice job.
by JPPATOUCH October 13, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
mac afee and symantec are garbage for mac...

if you want security apps for mac ;-) compatible Snow leopard
from http://www.macpromo.com/...it's a GREAT DEAL!

12 great Mac security apps for $49.99!
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by slickuser October 13, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
Crapware!
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by MikePulsifer October 13, 2009 9:48 AM PDT
Intego works quite well for me. MacAfee just has a bad rep where I work as being a resource hog.
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by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
I used to use Intego, but the yearly fees were a bit excessive for my tastes. I have to admit that their products are a good fit for the average Mac user, though, as it is pretty much install and forget. If you want to take the time to learn about security there are much better solutions, however.
by n3td3v October 13, 2009 9:52 AM PDT
The bloatware security vendors are realizing they can't protect Windows users anymore because Microsoft have released Security Essentials for free, so the bloatware security vendors are moving onto Macs.

What needs to happen is for Apple to release a free security application like Microsoft did and be rid of the bloatware security vendors from the landscape once and for all.
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by The_happy_switcher October 13, 2009 9:52 AM PDT
Waste of money. Next.
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by michael_j_x October 13, 2009 9:58 AM PDT
does SL need security? I thought the new feature that deletes all user data if a guest logs in is sufficient to prevent any hacker from getting your docs
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by Jon Eiche October 13, 2009 1:58 PM PDT
Love it!
by shellcodes_coder October 13, 2009 7:02 PM PDT
core inoovation
by RompStar_420 October 13, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
I have owned a Mac G5 now for 4 years and I used it everyday, and I have never gotten a single virus or worm or nothing. I have the Virus check, I run it once in a while, but I never gotten anything...
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by shycelticwitch October 13, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
And that is exactly the attitude that will get you in trouble sooner or later. Malware for macs is out there. With their steadily increasing market share you can bet that viruses won't be far behind. Get some protection before you end up eating your words while a worm eats your data.

PS. I own a total of 8 Macs, and my business coop has 28 of them, from G3 to MacPro desktops. While I have never experienced any malware, I run protection software to eliminate the possibility of forwarding e-mails that may contain them to Windows users. I'd call that smart, and accommodating... and downright chivalrous to those who don't share my enthusiasm for the products I use
by protagonistic--2008 October 13, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
That does not mean you should not invest in security. It is a bit late to bar the barn door after the animals escape. These programs, even on Windows, are a preventative measure against something that might happen to you rather than something that absolutely will happen to you. I have had my PowerMac for 6 years now and I have come across infected files that could have played havoc with my Windows using friends had I passed them on. :-)
by baconstang October 13, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
A lot depends on what in your computer. Most of it is low security on mine.
I'll consider A/V ware when I start seeing articles that viruses are loose in the wild for Macs.
Until then, my common sense measures will have to suffice, as they have for the past 7 years.
by Khurt October 13, 2009 12:07 PM PDT
Anti-virus can't only protect you against KNOWN threats. Neither McAfee or Symantec or anything else will protect you against an unknown. Also note how none of the vendors makes any claims on how well their products will protect you. Even reviews of anti-virus software only look at how the much performance impact these products have or how easy they are to use. None take a look at efficacy.

To use one definition: a virus is "executable code that attaches itself to a program or file so that it can spread from one Mac to another." By this definition, there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of Windows viruses and not one for Mac OS X. Note: I am not saying that OS X is invulnerable. I am just questioning the rational of using a product that protects against "known viruses" when there aren't any.

Phishing, spyware etc require poor judgement/user action (e.g downloading software from warez) and will exist no matter what OS you use. You can't protect against mistakes.

http://www.viruslist.com/en/analysis?pubid=191968025
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by ikramerica--2008 October 13, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
Or as Ron White likes to say: "You can't fix stupid."
by Soul of Wit October 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Well said. ZERO means zero.

As for protecting Windows users. Huh? That's their chore and not mine. If I ran a business, I suppose it would be prudent to not be the vector for an attack on a customer.
by Jon Eiche October 13, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
Remember, too, that many Macs (like mine) are also Windows machines, so it's probably wise (if unfortunately a bit redundant) to protect the one OS from the other. Adding to that: I STILL, as a Network Administrator, deal with Word Macro viruses (old stuff!) sent to PC's from unsuspecting Macs. With antivirus on the Macs, these would be stopped before being passed on, as others have said.
by michael_j_x October 13, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
I guess you haven't been paying attention. There are known trojans for OS X, that the anti-virus suite will detect. Additionally, any descend paid-for security suite will include a behavioral analysis tool that is able to detect never before seen malware based on thei itsr behavior, and not its signature . I too agree that the risk of getting a virus on OS X does not justify the money and resource commitment for running an AV program. I actually believe the same thing about Windows as well. I ve been running XP for 4 years without AV, always installing the patches, avoiding bloated software full of holes such as the Adobe reader, and using common sense when browsing the internet. I installed Kapersky a few weeks ago out of curiosity before switching to windows 7. It did not detect anything alarming.
by DanRobinson October 13, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
[quote]Even Apple has advised Mac users to protect themselves with security software.[/quote]

Untrue. That was a an employee who said it. He immediately became an ex-employee as I recall.
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by deniceels October 14, 2009 9:49 PM PDT
For being direct or honest/frank?
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