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July 1, 2009 12:30 PM PDT

ATM vendor gets security talk pulled from conferences

by Elinor Mills

(Credit: Black Hat)

Last year it was smartcards and this year it's ATMs.

It's almost security conference season in Las Vegas and with one month to go, a presentation has been pulled from Black Hat and Defcon.

Juniper Networks says it pulled a talk about a flaw in ATM software that one of its researchers was scheduled to give at the security conferences, after the ATM vendor complained.

In his presentation entitled "Jackpotting Automated Teller Machines," Barnaby Jack was planning to discuss local and remote attack vectors on ATMs and provide a live demonstration of an attack on an unmodified ATM.

The description of the talk, which was posted on the Defcon Web site but appears to have been removed, said: "The most prevalent attacks on Automated Teller Machines typically involve the use of card skimmers, or the physical theft of the machines themselves. Rarely do we see any targeted attacks on the underlying software. This presentation will retrace the steps I took to interface with, analyze, and find a vulnerability in a line of popular new model ATMs."

In a statement, Juniper Networks said the company "believes that Jack's research is important to be presented in a public forum in order to advance the state of security. However, the affected ATM vendor has expressed to us concern about publicly disclosing the research findings before its constituents were fully protected. Considering the scope and possible exposure of this issue on other vendors, Juniper decided to postpone Jack's presentation until all affected vendors have sufficiently addressed the issues found his research."

Juniper Networks is reaching out to other ATM vendors to help them address any security risks uncovered in Jack's research, the statement said.

The company did not disclose which manufacturer makes the ATMs that were to be referenced in the talk. Jack could not be reached for comment.

Security issues related to ATMs are a hot topic. Last month, a computer forensics expert revealed that he had discovered malware on ATMs that allowed criminals to steal account data and PINs. Three people were arrested last year after allegedly breaking into Citibank's ATM network inside 7-Eleven stores and stealing PIN codes.

This is the second year in a row that a scheduled presentation at one of the two security conferences was pulled. Last year, a talk on hacking smartcards used in the Boston subway system was blocked after a federal judge granted the Massachusetts transit authority's request for an injunction. The lawsuit was later dismissed and the three MIT students who were muzzled eventually ended up agreeing to help the transit system improve its fare collection system.

And other researchers have encountered problems after giving their talks. In 2005, a security researcher was able to give his presentation at Defcon on how attackers could take over Cisco routers, but hours later Cisco Systems filed a lawsuit against him. The suit was ultimately settled.

Things were more dramatic in 2001, when the FBI took Russian crypto expert Dmitry Sklyarov into custody at his Las Vegas hotel the day after he gave his Defcon talk about insecurities in e-book security software.

(The ATM talk cancellation was first reported by Risky.Biz.)

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by Pete Bardo July 1, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Maybe these vendors should be making more secure stuff instead of suppressing legitimate research! If this guy, Jack, can get in, who else can? And what makes us think ATM's are secure anymore anyway?
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by n3td3v July 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT
It would be chaos if the vulnerability was published, think of all the money that would empty from all the banks, especially since we're already in economic meltdown.
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by stepyourgameup July 1, 2009 2:12 PM PDT
Why worry when nobody has any money to steal?
by ralfthedog July 1, 2009 11:34 PM PDT
It's not theft. It is stimulus.
by dexter_birdbrain July 3, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
@ralfthedog,
That was a well-timed comment.
by FreddieT July 1, 2009 10:54 PM PDT
So an ATM vendor sells unsafe ATMs. Someone intends to point it out. The vendor, instead of doing everything they can to fix the problem ASAP, forces the person to not speak up. I bet they will NEVER fix the problem now.
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by patch991 July 6, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
@FreddieT .... re-read this sentence in the article, keyword is postpone.

Considering the scope and possible exposure of this issue on other vendors, Juniper decided to POSTPONE Jack's presentation until all affected vendors have sufficiently addressed the issues found his research."

I think this is the responsible thing to do and I applaud Juniper for this action. As "dr_no" stated below, its is YOUR money and if Jack gave the presentation at the conference, then anyone who attended would have the ability to steal YOUR money. I don't think they will NEVER fix the problem, because if someone found it, what's to say someone else won't?
by dr_no July 2, 2009 4:39 AM PDT
Well I just read the article in New Scientist of 20th June 2009, and ultimately, if you can pay off a maintenance engineer and slip in your little exe into an ATM, its all yours. But this applies to any financial institution - if you can pay off someone on the inside to pull off your scam, there's no defence against it EXCEPT to fortify the core device against tampering. In the case of ATMs, that means a secure exchangeable black box that is tamperproof (software-wise) and built solely in a trusted location with a lot of checks in place. The story is out and now there's a scramble to fix the holes in the whole network of ATMs. Its not a huge panic. I guess they don't want to spread the word. It will increase the cost of maintenance, but ultimately its a case of how much you are willing to invest in protecting your public's trust. A little more effort on the physical side is needed too, like 4 hour smoke emitters and gps or other transmitters built in to dissuade or track the removal of machines. Its not rocket science to plug all the holes, but it will be expensive and need a lot of smarts and almost military-like control of core parts. Whose money is it all about again? Ours!
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by bmedicky July 2, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
This newsletter, as well as others, has repeatedly stated that banks and financial institutions regard fraud as part of the cost of doing business, and that it's often cheaper for them just to deal with it after the fact instead of working harder to prevent it in the first place. As long as that attitude persists -- that the bottom line, and not security, is the most important factor -- things like this will continue to happen.
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by setjeff15081947 July 2, 2009 2:16 PM PDT
ATMs, voting machines, legitimate news, entertainment, arts, leisure, etc., etc., etc., web sites. Everyone of these entities have been given protection from research concerning, and public forum discussion of, their security weaknesses.
The only entity who's not protected is US!
"Can you say 'That's ****** Up!'? I knew you could."
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