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June 5, 2009 5:27 PM PDT

Hacker named to Homeland Security Advisory Council

by Elinor Mills
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Defcon founder Jeff Moss, aka Dark Tangent, is one of the newest members of the Homeland Security Advisory Council.

(Credit: Defcon)

Jeff Moss, founder of the Black Hat and Defcon hacker and security conferences, was among 16 people sworn in on Friday to the Homeland Security Advisory Council.

The HSAC members will provide recommendations and advice directly to Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

Moss' background as a computer hacker (aka "Dark Tangent") and role as a luminary among young hackers who flock to Defcon in Las Vegas every summer might seem to make him an odd choice to swear allegiance to the government. (Although before running his computer conferences, Moss also worked in the information system security division at Ernst & Young.)

I'd like to hear some of the banter as he rubs elbows with the likes of former CIA (Bill Webster) and FBI directors (Louis Freeh), Los Angeles County sheriff, Miami mayor, New York police commissioner, governors of Maryland and Georgia, former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, and the president of the Navajo Nation.

In an interview late on Friday, Moss, who is 39, said he was surprised when he got the call and was asked to join the group.

"I know there is a newfound emphasis on cybersecurity and they're looking to diversify the members and to have alternative viewpoints," he said. "I think they needed a skeptical outsider's view because that has been missing."

Asked if there was anything in particular he would advocate, Moss said: "There will be more cyber announcements in coming weeks and once that happens my role will become more clear. This meeting was focused on Southwest border protection... With things like Fastpass and Safe Flight, everything they are doing has some kind of technology component."

Moss, who is genuinely humble, said he was "fantastically honored and excited to contribute" to the HSAC and not concerned with losing any street cred among what some would call his fan base. He did concede that his new position would give him an unfair advantage in Defcon's "Spot The Fed" contest in which people win prizes for successfully outing undercover government agents.

Security consultant Kevin Mitnick, who spent five years in prison on computer-related charges and was once the FBI's most-wanted cybercriminal, praised Moss' diplomacy, but said: "I'm surprised to see Jeff on the list. I would have expected (crypto/security guru and author) Bruce Schneier to be on the council."

Moss "is a great crowd pleaser" and "he's just bad enough for them to say 'we're crossing the ranks,'" said journalist and threat analyst Adrian Lamo, who served two years of probation for breaking into computer networks. "But the reality is he's as corporate as hiring someone out of Microsoft."

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by Commander_Spock June 5, 2009 10:52 PM PDT
Wow! "I'd like to hear some of the banter as he rubs elbows with the likes of former CIA (Bill Webster) and FBI directors (Louis Freeh), Los Angeles County sheriff, Miami mayor, New York police commissioner, governors of Maryland and Georgia, former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, and the president of the Navajo Nation...."

Do the names of places, words and numbers (Afghanistan, 9/11, Iraq, Mission Accomplished, World Financial and Economic Crises, Food and Energy Security, General Motors...) come to mind anyone!!!

Is it still about the questions of "Who Pays The Piper Calls The Tune"; and, "The Economy......."?
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by assman June 5, 2009 11:14 PM PDT
What the hell are you talking about..
by Commander_Spock June 6, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
The "economic" of it all that cost McCain the Presidency; and, what was missed before 9/11 by certain U. S. Agencies - that!
by Commander_Spock June 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
Additionally, putting the mentality of the likes of the "North Koreans" in the mix - the question to you is how certain are you that our "agencies and organizations"(both local and international) will be in a position to deliver in the future given past performances.
by pentest June 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
Do your rantings make sense to you Spock?
by Commander_Spock June 6, 2009 6:37 PM PDT
If for nothing else (it is believe that) a lot of this borders/will border on "intellectual property issues"; so, how about if we attempt to raise the intellectual level of this particular discussion "pentest"!
by Get_Bent June 8, 2009 10:34 AM PDT
And while he's at it, maybe Jeff Moss can get to the bottom of your "Great OS/2 Conspiracy"....
by assman June 5, 2009 11:14 PM PDT
That's awesome. Glad the White House is actually looking for people who know what they're doing.
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by luke_marsh June 6, 2009 2:21 AM PDT
Well it's not if advances in non-linear maths would threaten the security of the entire world any time soon or anything. still it'll all be ok.
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by SeizeCTRL June 6, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
guess this will make it easier for the SPOT THE FED contest at Def Con ;)
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by dubbydubby June 6, 2009 7:19 AM PDT
He will no longer be able to hold his DefCon, Also because he was asked to be hired shows that the gov't has some sense to what they are doing, albeit they hired more of a corporate security analyst hacker instead of a hard code cracker that is needed. The best crackers you wouldn't know their name or location just their s/n. proxy ftw
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by Police_States_of_America June 6, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
kind of makes you wonder what info on his fellow associates he's going to be turning over...
by Commander_Spock June 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
Re: "He will no longer be able to hold his DefCon, Also because he was asked to be hired shows that the gov't has some sense to what they are doing, albeit they hired more of a corporate security analyst hacker instead of a hard code cracker that is needed..."

Doing it all for the "money" (both "corporate security analyst" and "hard code cracker") - huh! !
by pentest June 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT
DefCon won't go anywhere.
by sargess25 June 6, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
he should have been made CEO of Microsoft and get a crack on that piece of unsafe crap nicknamed Windows OS
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by Commander_Spock June 6, 2009 7:55 PM PDT
If he is that good then his target should have been "OS/2" that is soooooo........... loved by the Russians.

Cool!
by SeizeCTRL June 7, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
I knew it... It's impossible for Commander_Spock to go on a tirade without mentioning OS/2
by cohaver June 7, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
Mouse traps are not made by just Lab Junkies and Suits . And you wont fix anything if confined by Government Rules. Every aspect of Computer Science must be employed
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by Sherry719 June 8, 2009 7:11 AM PDT
This guy and all the others like him should be helping the govenment from behind bars. They are criminals.
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by kev7773 June 8, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
Without "ethical hackers", the security community wouldn't be anywhere near secure. This comment smells of troll.
by johndal21 June 9, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
Amusing rants abound. LOL

Personally I believe this is a step in the right direction and brings new blood and breathe to the potential of Government effort to protect this country in the cyber security realm. The world is not black and white and never has been.
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by mitnickkd June 10, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
As long as Jeff can get through random drug screenings I think he will be an attribute as an advising "savvy hacker." As for the safety of our Internet infrastructure that's another matter.
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