August 6, 2008 12:46 AM PDT

Black Hat says 'canceled' Apple talk never existed

This post has been updated with Charles Edge's response.

LAS VEGAS--On the eve of this year's Black Hat Briefings here, officials disputed a researcher's claim that his talk had to be canceled. They say the talk never even existed.

Last Thursday, researcher Charles Edge told Brian Krebs of The Washington Post that a talk on a previously disclosed flaw within the encryption for Apple FileVault had to be canceled because of a signed agreement with Apple.

The story had the individuals at Black Hat who handle the Call for Papers--the process by which a researcher submits a request to make a presentation and then waits to hear back from the conference--scrambling. Edge, who goes by the nickname "Krypted," is a well-known Apple security researcher who has previously presented at both Black Hat and its Defcon sister conference.

But on Tuesday, two different Black Hat officials told CNET News that Edge never submitted a paper for this year's conference.

In comments to CNET News, which have been edited for readability, Edge had a lot to say:

I submitted the talk, and later sent a second submission using the same system to then ask to be removed from consideration. As an alumni speaker, I know from experience that the entire Black Hat organization is run extremely well. Why they cannot find me in their system, I cannot speak to.

When this story first came to light, it was The Washington Post who contacted me, asking why the talk had been removed from consideration--and not I who contacted them. I had not, in fact, discussed the talk with anyone between the time that I rescinded the talk and the time I received the call from The Washington Post, and...their source (remains unclear).

It is correct that the reason I did not give the talk was due to various nondisclosure agreements; however, Apple was, to my knowledge, not aware of the talk, and there was no contact between them and myself, nor between them and anyone from my company, 318, in regard to the talk prior to my asking to be removed from consideration.

If it was by some error on my part that the talk was not submitted properly, then this further underscores why this issue is not a big deal. Submitting and then rescinding it has a similar effect to not having submitted at all. If the abstract never made its way into the CFP system, then it simply narrows down the list of people who I need to touch base with that could have been Brian's initial source.

Meanwhile, a Black Hat representative confirmed that a panel discussion titled "Meet the Apple Security Experts" was canceled by its moderator. The panel still appears in the printed schedule for the conference because the cancellation came too late to change the printing. All other references have been removed.

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by joetesta70 August 6, 2008 4:07 AM PDT
Based on this I'd never trust FileVault.
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by D3vildog699 August 6, 2008 5:55 AM PDT
Based on this I would never trust Apple period, company is going down hill with the more popularity they get.
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by calpundit August 6, 2008 6:31 AM PDT
Based on this, I would never trust Charles Edge, who apparently is the one who lied about claiming to be forced to cancel a talk that, turns out, never existed.
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by catch23 August 6, 2008 6:57 AM PDT
Based on this, I would never trust large corporations or people looking for 15 minutes of fame.
Oh, and I'll remain skeptical of the rest of humanity as well.
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by jameskatt August 6, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
Based on this, I would never trust rumor mongers and rumor blogs and anti-Apple pundits for twisting this story into a huge lie.

The moderator, not Apple, cancelled the panel discussion.
The researcher lied about having his talk pulled - there never was a talk.

The truth comes out.
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by n3td3v August 6, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
Black Hat should face criminal charges for pretending something is going to happen when its not just to get free advertising in the media.
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by usarioclave August 6, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
Based on this, I'll never use a computer again. I'm also getting more tinfoil for my body suit.
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by onlyauser August 6, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
People should not care anyway. This is tha black hats playground in which the REAL work is hidden in the underground.

Caring or not caring has no effect on what these gifted people do. And what they will tell you publicly will surely lead anyone down a dark dead end alley that cares enough to listen.

The only real way you would ever have a clue is to be one of them.
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by onlyauser August 6, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
Black hats are the best thing for the digital age and provide an valuable service without measure. Everything these people does really make it better for everyone in the long run. We NEED Black Hats.
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by zato_3 August 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
Apple hater Brian Krebs of The Washington Post and his Apple hating black hat buddies (Maynor) are Microsofts' paid Anti-Apple operators in all things Black Hat.
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by Thomas, David August 6, 2008 12:58 PM PDT
Unproven, and conflicting comments, by someone who does not work for Apple, and Black Hat has no recollection of a submittal in their systems ... and the fact the person states that it does not matter whether he submitted a talk and withdrew it, or never submitted one at all (claiming these things are equal) ...

Whatever
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by benjaminstraight August 7, 2008 2:46 PM PDT
Hearsay
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by gisabun August 13, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
Zato_3: You really do need a life. Again you comment [reviously in Eweek's site] that everyone hates Apple and the Microsoft led establishment is against Apple. Get a grip. You are living in a fantasy world.

Let me guess. Windows XP SP3 wouldn't install properly. So you are on an anti-Microsoft crusade?
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