August 17, 2009 9:01 PM PDT

Budget PC brands see biggest gains in consumer satisfaction

by Erica Ogg
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In a poor economy, some budget PC brands are finding its customers happier than ever, according to this year's installment of the American Customer Satisfaction Index, an annual study completed by the University of Michigan each year.

In the 2009 rankings for PC makers, which are set to be released Tuesday, the brands whose rankings saw the most improvement were Compaq and Gateway. Compaq's score of 74 represented an increase of 5.7 percent, the largest gain among computer makers in the last year, and equaling the highest customer satisfaction ranking for the brand--owned by Hewlett-Packard--since 1996. The Acer-owned Gateway brand also saw an uptick in satisfied customers, attaining a score of 74, a 2.8 percent increase from last year.

"My guess is price has something to do with it," said Claes Fornell, director of the National Quality Research Center at the University of Michigan, which conducts the study. "(Compaq and Gateway) machines are typically priced somewhat below competition. Other than that things are stalling a bit in the industry, not moving one way or another."

The study asks 80,000 consumers to rank brands based on expectations of the product, previous experience, and comparison to an ideal version of the product. For PCs, a score of 78 out of 100 is considered good.

Despite those gains by Compaq and Gateway, the 2009 ACSI scores show that Apple continues to lead the pack by a mile, with a score of 84. Its next closest competitor, Dell, stands at 75, which was also the average score for all PC makers. HP moved from 73 to 74. Apple did see a slight decrease (from 85 last year), and on average all PC makers saw a 1.3 percent increase from 74 last year to 75 in 2009, reflecting an overall satisfied customer base, as well as very little change in dynamics in consumers' experience with their computers.

With an 11-point lead, Apple is one of only two companies evaluated by ACSI that dominates its category so totally, according to Fornell.

"It's unusual in any industry to have a lead like the one Apple has," he said. "Google has a similar lead."

His explanation is that compared to others in their respective categories, both are "better at marketing what they have to offer to the public."

That marketing, besides drumming up good feelings in consumers, is also pushing up Apple's bottom line. The company just recorded its best non-holiday quarter in its history, selling 2.6 million Macs, a 4 percent increase from the same quarter a year ago. PC makers, on average, saw their sales dip 3.1 percent for the same quarter, according to IDC.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by MaLvaDo39 August 17, 2009 9:09 PM PDT
OS X is the gem .period.

Apple has great marketing, but this is customer satisfaction, as in- after the marketing helped in making your purchase. Customer satisfaction is using the product over a period of time.
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by northhillca August 18, 2009 7:21 AM PDT
Yeah right. I bought a macbook last week. Internet crawls on OS X but is superfast on windows PC. Apple support couldn't help. Checked internet and its a lingering problem which can be resolved with a simple DNS hack. I know apple doesn't control DNS servers at ISP but when windows can make it work without a hitch why cant OS X? My $0.02.
by ballmerisanape August 18, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
How did you surf the internet on OS X?? I have been using the web browsers Safari and Firefox.. didn't know you could just use the OS ;)
by shellcodes_coder August 17, 2009 10:51 PM PDT
Windows 7 Ultimate x64 on my DELL XPS H2C is a heaven for me :)
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by ikramerica--2008 August 17, 2009 11:23 PM PDT
And when it arrives for real, maybe the numbers will jump because of it. But right now, you are "pre-sale" my friend. You don't count, yet. ;)
by Seaspray0 August 18, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
Good point, ikramerica. Since windows7 isn't available yet, this would mean that customer satisfaction would be based on the current PC operating system available... vista. It would also be based on the hardware of these budget PC's as well. Amazing, isn't it?
by gofalcons August 18, 2009 9:19 AM PDT
whatever apple boys, just admit it that the beta for 7 is already more popular than osx before it even hits the shelves....ha ha ha.
by ballmerisanape August 18, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
It's more popular because people haven't really used it. Look at the Vista pre-order numbers and compare.. you might see a similar trend.
by Gold_Storm_Mac August 18, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
any idiot will realize that windows 7 will be dramatically moe popular than os x. but it doesnt make it better. this is about customer satisfaction and not computer sales.
by hightechfanboy August 17, 2009 11:25 PM PDT
windows 7 is gonna make a lot of difference compare to vista. As long as window 7 delivers, the satisfaction numbers are gonna be higher next year. Even as apple release snow leopard around the same time, window 7 has the more hype and expectations.
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by vmlenigma August 18, 2009 1:55 AM PDT
Yawn, No matter how much you wrap a piece of dung, with a pretty bow, a pretty paper...at the end of the day you still end up with a piece of Dung wrapped in a pretty piece of paper and a pretty bow......First it was Windblows Vista, and so will Windblows 7.
Those poor souls that paid all that money to Upgrade to Vista, now have to shell out even more money for another Operating system that requires even MORE.
Microsoft should of stayed with windows 3.1
by groink_hi August 18, 2009 4:48 AM PDT
I have to disagree. Read the numbers again:

"on average all PC makers saw a 1.3 percent increase from 74 last year to 75 in 2009, reflecting an overall satisfied customer base, as well as very little change in dynamics in consumers' experience with their computers."

In other words, satisfaction with Vista-based PCs INCREASED within the last year. Therefore, I seriously don't see them breaking 75 in the coming years of Windows 7. Like Windows XP, I don't see Windows 7 replacing Vista. If what some people who make comments on C-Net articles is true, Vista is really not the enemy here. And against popular belief, I don't think there's going to be this huge movement of people purchasing "7" and making the upgrade.
by Seaspray0 August 18, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
@groink_hi. Presales of windows 7 is the #1 sale on amazon. There already is a huge movement of people purchasing 7 and making the upgrade.
by ballmerisanape August 18, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
Window's competitor is not 10.6... it's 10.5.
by monkeyfun14 August 18, 2009 10:59 AM PDT
@vmleniga

I have to disagree.

How exactly does it require more if Vista couldn't run on netbooks without killing them but Windows 7 can run on netbooks with performance comparable to XP. O_o
by solitare_pax August 18, 2009 2:38 AM PDT
Well, when you're in the basement of service, there is no where to go but up.
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by Mark_Anderson August 18, 2009 4:46 AM PDT
Yeah the Apple hardware is excellent. OS X is so-so though. I'm replacing it with Windows 7 when my pre-order copy arrives.
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by Sausagebiscuit August 18, 2009 5:22 AM PDT
Apple hardware (laptops/desktops) are the same thing that is in a DELL, HP, custom build, etc. Just in case you didn't already know this.
by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 7:08 AM PDT
@Sausagebiscuit

I'm not being snarky. I really do want to know. Which PC laptop has an all aluminum unibody, backlit keyboard, magsafe power adapter, and a HUGE multitouch trackpad that is also the left and right mouse button?

Amen
by pithenumber August 18, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
@bogus
on the inside
its the same crap thats in every other computer
by wolivere August 18, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
@BogusBasin

Yes and they have the stalling hard drives and the failing video chip sets....etc ..etc..etc

Back lit keyboard Toshiba E105, AlienWare M17, Gateway MC780

Almost all PC Laptops have two buttons on there keypads? I know apple typically only has one?

Dell and a few others also make aluminum body ultra thin laptops

The power adapter, I am trying to justify spending 2-3 times the price of the other laptops for the power adapter which is ranked as one of the poorest apple innovations, it has been nothing but a pain in the back side for apple.

So yes its a nice bundle the marketing has done wonders to overshadow the issues with the Video, Faulty displays, clicking hard rives, fraying shorting adapter. But when I way it out, I can buy 3 comparable laptops for the same price.
by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
We're all the same on the inside too.

Amen
by Perry_Clease August 18, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
"@bogus
on the inside
its the same crap thats in every other computer"

Well "inside" is a good place for a backlit keyboard, multitouch trackpad, and magsafe power adapter.

Anyway, even if the myth of the exactly the same components were true (it isn't) you forgot the much superior OSX.
by rakker91 August 18, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
Bogus: Who cares? I buy a laptop because of the processor, ram, and hard drive, not the fluffy extras.
by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 7:44 AM PDT
@wolivere

"With an 11-point lead, Apple is one of only two companies evaluated by ACSI that dominates its category so totally, according to Fornell.

"It's unusual in any industry to have a lead like the one Apple has," he said."

Amen
by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 7:55 AM PDT
@rakker91

Your frugalness, frugality, etc. is admirable. There is nothing wrong with being practical. I do enjoy having nice things too. I like picking something up and feeling the quality. It's really nice to be able to scroll a window all the way across the screen on a huge trackpad without reaching the edge and picking your finger up to do it again. I appreciate the fact that when I trip over my power cord, my laptop stays on the table and doesn't hit the hardwood floors. But you are right. You can accomplish the same tasks with another computer for less. We all must learn to live within our means. Sometimes, we need to be practical. And that's okay too.

Amen
by Seaspray0 August 18, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
@perry clease. "much superior"? That is an opinion. As for me, I will pick the much superior windows 7 over osx.
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by wolivere August 18, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
Yes Bogus you are correct, and the statement stands, poor workmanship can be over come by good marketing.

If any PC maker produced a product with the failure rate apple has had, Video Issues, the stuttering drives, and power adapter. They would be crucified. I had a friend here who had a MacBook, it kept cutting his wrists, so he took a file to the case to clean up the edges...... over the corse of 1 year he send back his 15' unit 3 times for LCD Screen issues. Was he alone, no, looking at the forums they are full of similar complaints.

You can even find them outlined on appledefects

The same component part is not a myth.

They use the exact same Intel Chipset, they use the exact same processor, they have been using the same Video Chipset that plagued HP, and Sony, same Hitachi drive as the others. So yes they use the same components.
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by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
Sorry, marketing does not lead to being number one in customer satisfaction. Customer satisfaction leads to being number one. Nice try though. Don't give up!

Amen
by liven2 August 18, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
Wolivere, Get real...

I am not a Mac user but if the over all experience of users was as you stated then the numbers WOULD NOT BE THAT high! Come on use your brain! Apple products are very good products albeit not perfect, just well built and thought out. I have a very strong feeling the friend you stated is what I would call a phantom or exagerated story. Am I to say it did not happen but I can say this is not happening on Mass, if it was the ratings would not be as high as they are. PERIOD!! It only takes child like brain power to rationalize that one. Geesh!

I am using a very sexy AlienWare laptop which I love but I have seen many friends use Apple MacBooks and iMacs with out any of the issues and as far as I know they are all very very happy with their hardware.
by relseh August 18, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
Your right BogusBasin, marketing does not lead to being number one - failure of a fan of a company to admit the faults of said company leads to being number one in customer satisfaction, because the downside is never seen or admitted to. (You are a prime example)

Every company, whether it is Apple, Ford, Chrysler, Microsoft, Dell, Cisco, whatever has its faults - MOST logical and level headed users of these products have the ability to admit their beloved companies have faults - apart from those in the "I'm a Mac" camp can actually admit that when asked.

I've never seen such denial that a problem/defect exists as I do from the Mac crowd here.

I manage a network that uses a whole slew of different suppliers: Microsoft, HP Procurve, Apple, BlackBerry, Linux and Unix - the only groups I see from those groups unwilling to admit their beloved machines have issues (and ALL do) are those from the Mac camp - and to some extent the Linux camp - though the Linux camp is a very small minority of militants that just espouse hate towards anything other than Linux.
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by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 8:53 AM PDT
If Apple didn't have it's own share of problems, they would have gotten a score of 100. Of course they have problems. And when they do, they are the best out of all other computer manufacturers at taking care of the problems. There. I admitted it. Happy? I didn't think so.

As you mentioned, many of their problems stem from third party video, batteries, etc. And since they use all the same internal components as other PC companies, they suffer from them the same way.

But the numbers don't lie. Number one in customer satisfaction year after year. Argue all you want. Get mad! It's okay. I accept you for who you are.

Amen
by EvanSei August 18, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
of corse they are good, the stuff inside them is only a few years old meaning it is outdated but still works so you while you might not be able to brag about having the top product you still have a machine that for most people can get the job done.
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by liven2 August 18, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
OMG!!! Please make a comment that has some basis or just go away! I hope your kidding because if your not your either retarded or highly ill informed!

"the stuff inside them is only a few years old"??? LMAO! Really? ... oh why am I wasting my time...
by ballmerisanape August 18, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
Kind of like my Dell XPS tower.. when I bought it.. it has 4 processors and 4 Gb of RAM.. too bad XP can't use the processors properly.. nor can it even use all 4 Gbs of RAM. Sounded cool on paper though. Also.. it keeps forgetting it has media drives..

My iMac, however... uses all 4 Gb of ram.. and is more responsive than the XPS. I've tried changing the colors of the cool LEDs on the XPS.. but that didn't improve performance for some reason. Hummm.
by slashby August 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
@EvanSei I work at Intel and you are correct in your description of how processor technology "waterfalls" from high end product when it is first put into the market to mainstream to low end near the end of its retail life. The cost of producing these continues to go down it is able to move into lower cost products. Sorry @liven2, it was a good comment!

While an inexpensive system works fine now, it won't last you as long as a higher end system. If you think about a mainstream system from 3 or 4 years ago, it was not designed to do all the things we now do on our computers. Youtube, BluRay, HD, photos, Facebook, etc. didn't even exist! I've never heard anyone say they wish the had bought a slower computer... #upgrade
by Sdavis3420 August 18, 2009 10:34 AM PDT
the article is called "Budget PC Brands see biggest gains etc...." why are we even discussing macs? Since when are they considered a " budget PC "? You people including the author are smoking something!
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by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 10:59 AM PDT
Because the "budget PC" made gains in consumer satisfaction but they still appear to be the garbage they really are as compared to the consumer satisfaction enjoyed by the Mac. As indicated in the article had you chose to actually read it.

Amen
by lcseiler345 August 18, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
These numbers don't add up for me. How can Apple be 11 points ahead if their score is 84 and Dell's is 75. That's 9 points by my reckoning.

How is it that Dell can have the average score of all PC makers (75) when only one (Mac) is above them. That must not be the mean of all PC makers' scores. Perhaps it is the mean score of all 80,000 respondents? If so, that would indicate that the score is weighted for larger companies. It doesn't add up that the mean would be that high unless things were WAY skewed. Think about it.
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by cary1 August 18, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
You bring up an interesting point. If only 5% people purchase Macs and rest of them purchase PCs, how come the second highest rating is also the mean rating?

CNET - would you please explain this to us
by Seaspray0 September 2, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
Here's a complete mathematical explanation of it.

y = x
xy = x^2 ;multiply by x
xy - y^2 = x^2 - y^2 ;subtract y^2
y(x-y) = (x+y)(x-y) ;factor out
y = (x+y) ;divide by x-y
y = y + y ;substitue from the top y = x
y = 2y ;now divide by y
1 = 2

You just have to know how to mess with the numbers, that's all.
by k9jdk August 18, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
HP owned Compaq since 1996. Sure about that? Try 2002 or thereabouts.
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by shycelticwitch August 18, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
Those of you here trashing Mac, OS X and anything Apple... isn't it nap time for you? Would you like a blankie to soothe your ire while you nap? And a nice warm bottle of milk? Would that comfort you enough to stop getting emotional about things that have nothing to do with you? Perhaps your jealous rage would be better mediated with actual EXPERIENCE with the products you are flapping your yaps about?

And BTW... quit spitting on me. I hate people who spit when they spew.
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by Seaspray0 September 2, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
I don't trash apple. I just trash the apple fanboys who spew their stupid flames. You know... like you.
by August 18, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
I can't wait till the fall when school starts and all the fanboys on BOTH sides go away.
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by cnetnewsguy August 18, 2009 1:20 PM PDT
I've used Macs and PCs for 25 years. They both have strengths and weaknesses. Currently, Macs suck less.
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by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 1:43 PM PDT
Amen
by dacopper August 18, 2009 1:49 PM PDT
You guys are missing the point. The survey is not about quality of hardware/software or even product popularity. The survey is about CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. While PC brands like Dell, Gateway, HP and a dozen or so smaller names have to compete with each other over customer satisfaction, Mac has NO competition. It's like trying to survey color red. It's red anyway you turn it.
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by Smokey3214 August 18, 2009 1:55 PM PDT
I have an ibook and laptops running both XP and Vista. The ibook sits in my workshop as an internet radio when the power cord can maintain contact. The battery lasted 6 months. It seems to handle radio without locking up too much. It never could run Office. I've run Vista since it's release and it's never locked up. Not once. For the life of me I don't get what Mac folks complain about Vista. .
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by BogusBasin August 18, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
Uh oh! I smell a BS lie! So sad when people resort to these things.................Oh well. Don't worry, there are some here that will believe you.

Amen
by Seaspray0 September 2, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
@bogusbasin. Like anyone here would believe you? LOL.
by BSinton August 18, 2009 4:45 PM PDT
I see Compaq service is now as good as H.P.
This is not surprising as Compaq was swallowed up by HP a few years ago.
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by Tod Smith August 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT
There was nothing wrong with Vista x64 besides needing a recent PC.

Now that PCs have caught up Win 7 seems primetime.
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by markathome99 August 23, 2009 7:07 PM PDT
Apple has a 'budget' PC?
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