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July 15, 2009 8:33 AM PDT

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by Lance Whitney
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Microsoft and Verizon may need to learn a thing or two about customer service from IBM's Informix, according to a report released Wednesday by market researcher VendorRate.

Among IT professionals questioned, Microsoft's customer satisfaction ratings for the second quarter dropped in three key areas.

Out of a score of 100, Microsoft's server and infrastructure software rated 55, a 17 percent decline from the first quarter; its operating systems scored 67, down 9.5 percent; and its applications came in at 64, an 18 percent dip.

"Microsoft was cruising along with satisfactory scores in earlier reports, but it simply fell off a cliff in this quarter," Rick Schaefer, CEO of VendorRate, said in a statement.

Of all vendors measured, Verizon Communications came in lowest as an overall company for customer satisfaction, scoring 61 out of 100. Sprint Nextel and AT&T Wireless also came in near the bottom, at 64 and 67 points, respectively--a reflection of the telecom industry's poor showing overall.

(Credit: VendorRate)

"Once again the telecom sector sinks to the bottom of all lists," Schaefer said. "Either telecom vendors don't get it, or they don't seem to care."

However, not all of telecom is broken. Telecom equipment maker ShoreTel made it into the No. 2 slot of vendors with a rating of 92.

IBM's Informix scored at the top of the list with a rating of 96. Formed when IBM bought the Informix technology in 2001, it specializes in online transaction processing, an automated system used by banks, airlines, and other industries to interact with customers.

(Credit: VendorRate)

"IBM Informix was among the top rated vendors for the fourth straight quarter," noted Schaefer, "and this is the first time that ShoreTel made it into the top rankings."

Still, not everything that IBM touches turns to gold. IBM Global Services ranked near the bottom of consultants with a rating of 66.

VendorRate gathers ratings and reviews from IT and business professionals. For its second-quarter report, the company surveyed more than 1,500 IT professionals at trade shows, conferences, its own Web site, and "virtual events."

Those questioned by VendorRate ranked nearly 350 companies on 10 criteria, including customer service, reliability, integrity, budget, and effectiveness for a cumulative score of 100. The ratings were collected from April 1 through June 30.

Lance Whitney wears a few different technology hats--journalist, Web developer, and software trainer. He's a contributing editor for Microsoft TechNet Magazine and writes for other computer publications and Web sites. You can follow Lance on Twitter at @lancewhit. Lance is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and he is not an employee of CNET.
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by monkeyfun14 July 15, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
How many of these people surveyed were Rabid MS haters/Apple fanatics


Serious question its a huge variable for any company whether that be Apple,IBM, Etc
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by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:24 AM PDT
@monkeyfun14--You just don't know when to quit. Talk about trying to put a spin on things. Face it monkey, your precious MS has plenty of people who are not crazy about there service. Hey, maybe these same people were Verizon haters/Sprint fanatics. See how silly your statement sounds??
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:26 AM PDT
@monkeyfun14--You just don't know when to quit. Talk about trying to put a spin on things. Face it monkey, your precious MS has plenty of people who are not crazy about there service. Hey, maybe these same people were Verizon haters/T-Mobile fanatics. See how silly your statement sounds??
by monkeyfun14 July 15, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
When was I putting a spin on anything?

I was simply saying chill out...do something.





CNET editors note: This comment was edited.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
BTW, those two post of mine were posted twice for a reason or perhaps is it a double posting conspiracy, kind of like your "Rabid MS haters/Apple fanatics" theory (I use the word "theory" as a substitute for "half-baked").
by monkeyfun14 July 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
What i'm suggesting is quite possible.

Considering hating on certain companies no matter what they do has turned into a FAD
by SchneiderIS July 15, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
You can't be serious can you? With 8.5% market share you think they have that much sway? Get real.

The problem is with the actual products Microsoft is delivering. Use it and then use the compitition be it either the BalckBerry vs Windows Mobile, the Mac OS vs Vista, or even Office 2007 vs 2003. Microsoft needs to actually look at what they are doing and get back to simplisity and making things work.
by cvaldes1831 July 15, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
@monkeyfun14:

Why don't you just peruse the actual report yourself? Assuming they took a fairly broad sampling of IT managers and didn't cherry pick, it should be reflective of the overall scope of people in big business. Note that Apple scored well in some categories (there are a lot of categories), and fared poorly in others.
by myles taylor July 15, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
I wondered how you would spin this...always interesting to say what kind of crazy stuff you can come up with.

Despite what you see online, the number of rabid fanboys/haters, for any company, is relatively small. Very few people actually care enough. They just use the product and are maybe mildly aware of the feuds that go on. I'd say probably a 5% at the most were answering based on bias rather than personal experience. However, this number ranges through the whole group and doesn't really change anything.
by umbrae July 15, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
MS is fine until you need support. Then you have to struggle just to find someone that understands you. However, almost every other company has this problem. The best product is the one you don't need customer service for.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
"by monkeyfun14 July 15, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
When was I putting a spin on anything?

I was simply saying chill out...do something."

@monkeyfun14--Please enlighten everyone as to when you actually said "chill out". Do you read your own posts (never mind the article)?? I think my point is proven. Also, I really don't think you have any room to talk about "hatin" on a company, given some of your Apple related posts. You need to chill out, especially since your comment had to be edited (touch a nerve perhaps). I guess it's not so much fun getting a dose of your own medicine. There, I did "something".
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by zizzybaloobah July 15, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
Interesting - Verizon was lowest rated mobile provider *overall*, but scored highest in recommendations. Kinda matches my own perspective - nobody really likes them, including me, but if you want the best network, they're the one that people recommend...for phones - that's another issue.
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by Sweatman15k July 15, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
It is Verizon Communications, not Verizon Wireless. Verizon Wireless does better than most for customer service

http://www.jdpower.com/telecom/ratings/wireless-customer-care-ratings-(volume-1)
by RompStar_420 July 15, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
Verizon does suck!
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by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
I agree with that. I have Verizon and I find myself in the "service is bad" but their network works best where I live category. I work in a fairly remote spot in the mountains where I live. The other carriers here, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile just don't pick up where I work, but Verizon does. Right now, I just have to take the good with the bad. Maybe these surveys will open some eyes (of these companies) and they improve at what matters most (helping the customer).
by Otto Holland July 15, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
Whom this these guys survey? How many seats of Informix are deployed vs Microsoft Exchange for example?

At what point can you say Sun Microsystems compare to the deployment of HP Prolient servers? I think your survey is lame and that your questions were one sided.

I work in a Microsoft environment and I call them from time to time. Even when I speak to guys in India, I still receive good service.

I believe your survey was done by people who simple hates certain companies or wanted to shed a bad light on those they dislike. Be reasonable and fair.
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by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
Your logic has point, but with many holes in it. By your logic, I guess they hated Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T as well. That has to why they were rated so low as well. LOL! Oh, BTW, if I was to get bad service, I would probably hate the company as well.
by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
I was surveyed by a company that Sprint hired to rate their customer service compared to other cell phone companies. They didn't tell me who was sponsoring the survey until after the survey was complete though. Full disclosure would be nice in these things. Surveys are not done for free. Someone paid for it and the answers often get skewed to favor the customer paying for it.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
Vegaman_Dan--So what is your theory?? Inquiring minds wants to know.
by dargon19888 July 15, 2009 12:01 PM PDT
Huh?
Informix isn't deployed by 'seats', although you can get per user licensing.

Ever shop at a Wal*Mart? Sears? K-Mart? Kroger? JCPenny? HomeDepot? Then your transaction passes through at least one or more store systems running on Informix.

Ever pick up and make a phone call? I'm not sure of the current statistics, but prior to the IBM acquisition 9 out or 10 phone calls is processed by a system running Informix.

Informix is also embedded in certain products sold by Cisco and Motorola.

Informix is probably the industry's 'dirty little secret' in the IT industry where a lot of people won't admit to owning it because its their competitive advantage.

You work in a Microsoft Environment because you're forced to work in a Microsoft Environment. Companies that choose to use Informix do so because they made an educated choice.
by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
@ckh1272:

I don't have a theory about this one beyond the survey was poorly done. It is rather random in how it presents its metrics. You can spin out anything you want from the survey itself and make the data say wat you want it to.

It's incomplete.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 7:09 PM PDT
"by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
@ckh1272:

I don't have a theory about this one beyond the survey was poorly done. It is rather random in how it presents its metrics. You can spin out anything you want from the survey itself and make the data say wat you want it to.

It's incomplete."

@Vegaman_Dan--Once again, I am not trying to spin anything. You people really need to get a grip. If you're going to "throw" a theory out there, try to provide some evidence is all I'm saying. If not, you're just wasting space with conjecture. Oh wait a minute, maybe I am just trying to "bash" Microsoft (insert sarcasm). LOL!
by myles taylor July 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
I know this is going to start a rabid bashing/flame war but....

I think this is the biggest difference between the Microsoft and Apple ads. Apple focuses on their merits and tries to put down the shortcomings, whether real or imagined, in their competitors. Microsoft focuses on price. But when it comes down to it, (and we could argue about who is the best and probably will to the end of time) customers at certain companies have a higher satisfaction rate than others and that is what matters in the long run.
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by BogusBasin July 15, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
Amen
by Sweatman15k July 15, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
I think it needs to be pointed out the it is Verizon Communications and not Verizon Wireless.

They are not the same company. Verizon Wireless is partly owned by VZ Comm, but they have much better customer service.

Verizon Wireless showed well for customer service in JD Powers
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by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 10:30 AM PDT
Who paid for the survey?

How did that company rank in the survey as a result?
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by Mergatroid Mania July 15, 2009 10:34 AM PDT
Something smells funny to me here. I don't care what companies the surveys were regarding, for such a large change from one quarter to the next smells of inference or incompetence.

Something has skewed the results. To validate the survey, they should find out what the difference was from the last quarter that caused the large change in results.

I find it hard to believe that all these people found one company acceptable in one quarter and unacceptable in the next.

I agree with monkeyfun14 's original comment.
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by Random_Walk July 15, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
"...for such a large change from one quarter to the next..."

Well, this is about the time when a lot of folks are starting to upgrade Exchange to 2k7, and are installing SharePoint for the first time (both of which can be pretty frustrating to folks who haven't messed either one before). In that light, the drop doesn't really seem all that mysterious anymore. ;)
by notsatch July 15, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
"Something smells funny to me here."

I'm sorry, Merg, that's just me. I was running late this morning and didn't have time for a shower so...
by dargon19888 July 15, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
LOL...

The truth is that Informix is supported by its user community. That is, those who use Informix choose to do so in spite of IBM's sales critters trying to convince them to migrate to DB2.

Post IBM acquistion, Informix's support team pretty much started to revamp how IBM Information Management does things. And at the end of 2003 they started to influence some of the other pillars in Software Group. (Hmmm. Sounds like I was there. ;-)

The fact that an Informix user has great support from IBM's support team, along with its user community, then its no doubt that it would rank high in terms of overall customer sat.
by BogusBasin July 15, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
Microsoft sucks and Internet Explorer sucks and Windows Sucks. I know some whiner will want me to "cite your source" -

http://www.electronista.com/reviews/browser-tests-chrome-firefox-ie-safari.html
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by Mergatroid Mania July 15, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
I was going to say "Well, apparently those aren't the only things that suck".

But I decided not to, so Nevermind.
by BogusBasin July 15, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
@Mergatroid Mania

???????????????
by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT
I looked at that review and it was about opinions on browser choice, not about vaccuums in anyway. In fact, none of the products review sucked at all, and failed in this crucial test.

I would suggest a different source- or perhaps not let others think for you.
by JoeF2 July 15, 2009 5:28 PM PDT
"I looked at that review and it was about opinions on browser choice, not about vaccuums in anyway."

That reminds me of an old joke:
The only time Microsoft will make a product that doesn't suck is when they enter the vacuum business...
by jessiethe3rd July 15, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
Ahh... what this article left out (which is common place when it comes to CNET - bias reporting...)

Lowest Rating for Communications - Apple
Lowest Rating for Budget - Apple
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by shycelticwitch July 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT
It was left out because it is FUD. LOL.
by Vegaman_Dan July 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT
@shycelticwitch:

Much of the report was FUD, so why stop there?
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 7:13 PM PDT
jessiethe3rd--That would not surprise me one bit, seeing as how Apple doesn't have a solid Enterprise support foundation. That is something that they are going to have to remedy one day, but who knows what will happen.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 7:19 PM PDT
BTW the way-It list Apple as third in the "Rated highest for Budget" category. They are eighth in the "Rated highest for Reliability" category. It does not surprise me at all by IBM's high placement in the survey (regardless of the "skew"). They have been in the business too long not to have a loyal customer base. It seems like some people just want to find mistakes where there are none or very little.
by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 7:22 PM PDT
Just so nobody thinks I am being "biased", "Rated lowest for Expertise
Rated lowest for Communication Apple Desktop-Laptop--6.9" does not surprise me because their small presence in Enterprise. Once again, that is a mentality that needs to change on Apple's part.
by RighteousSoutherner July 15, 2009 11:07 AM PDT
Who did they poll? So-called IT pros from the San Francisco area, lol? Totally biased.
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by dargon19888 July 15, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
No, actually I know that there's been input from multiple industries and locations.
by 4train July 15, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
At least Verizon has broadband coverage in places besides just big cities. AT&T seems more concerned with building their network overseas, meanwhile ignoring huge well populated swaths of the country. Meanwhile Apple markets there phone as the most advanced in the world.... perhaps... if you're in a large city. Why did they go with GSM? Other carriers are ready to go 4G. I guess Apple is content with being left behind in the 2000's. Someone please tell me I am ignorant and enlighten this novice with some info I don't know.
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by renGek July 15, 2009 11:40 AM PDT
Well cell satisfaction is really region to region. For every cell provider someone will say "its horrible my calls drop all the time" and you will have people who will say "nope, service is perfect here in *insert town name*". So its really hard to gauge telecoms through surveys unless you can actually survey 100 million peeps.

As for microsoft, they can put out the best product on the planet and will still get a low score because they are at the top of the mountain. Like celebrities we just like to complain and make fun of them and try to tear them down. A survey of microsoft satisfaction is pointless.

I give sprint a high score because I have used them for the last 10 years and my reception is perfectly fine. I give microsoft a high score because my work depends on it so I'm glad I am employed and is payed well for it with lots of vacation time. Don't care if they are uber evil :)
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by inachu1 July 15, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
I can agree for low rankings.

I just called up comcast and asked if they support IPV6 yet and the guy on the phone did not know. what that was at all.
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by 4train July 15, 2009 12:04 PM PDT
Well I was specifically referring to broadband coverage. Just from looking at the coverage maps at each carriers site, it seems that Verizon definitely covers the most area.

Just an iPhone user who has recently become quite disgruntled; I had to move from the Bay Area to a slightly less populated area. Just wishing to hear some good news/info from somewhere soon.
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by dargon19888 July 15, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
Everyone seems shocked to see Informix highly rated.
I guess the truth is that you can't keep a good product down.

IM_Gumby was the first to coin the term (Informix, the IT industry's dirty little secret.) because everyone is using it, but loathes to be a formal reference account because they view the use of IDS as a competitive advantage.
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by CCW66 July 15, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
Where does comcast fit into this ? They rate extremely poor with my family!!!
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by dargon19888 July 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
This isn't a consumer poll, but a poll of IT professionals talking about IT products used in commercial environments.

Comcast Business? Sorry but I'm not thrilled with their support, however price per bandwidth as a comcast business customer isn't too bad....
by biffhenerson July 15, 2009 2:19 PM PDT
The results are unusable as it is not a scientific pole. Blah blah blah...
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by JoeF2 July 15, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
What's a "scientific pole"???
No dictionary at hand, eh? It is called "poll" in my world.
by jtjt145 July 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT
And a good day to valiant members of the Micro$oft defender community:

* vegaman_dan
* monkeyfun14 and
* ckh1272 (he tries to sound reasonable, probably their manager)

The way and the frequency these guys post and defend the monopolist in Redmond, one can only surmise these guys get paid for what they do.

No wonder Micro$oft is starting to go down the drain, with they spend money on guys like these, rather than putting their money where it would actually improve their products.

Also noticed some of my comments, not very Micro$oft friendly I have to admit, start to disappear from C-NET lately. Could it just be, that the veritable members mentioned above are also colluding to get rid of their perceived greatest nuisances by collectively "offense-reporting" some of the anti-Micro$oft stuff? Just wondering. I will watch you vegaman + monkeybun!

Oh and before I forget:
DIE MICRO$OFT DIE
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by ckh1272 July 15, 2009 7:25 PM PDT
Dude, get a freakin' clue!! I have had to defend myself against those two for even mentioning anything against Microsoft!! Try reading those posts again. However, after reading your posts, I am not surprised by your comments. You and Bogus_Basin must be typing from the same basement.
by vmlenigma July 15, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
Being a former Verizon customer as of last week, I agree with the results. They gutt out the phones and make them useless, and when you call their Tech Support you either get someone who learned their english off a parrot, or just someone who just knows nothing about the phone, and the funny thing is that, they always seem to own the same phone I am inquiring about in this case my piece of crap LG8700VX. I do hope Verizon goes UNDER
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