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July 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT

Week in review: Google goes after Microsoft with OS

by Steven Musil
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Google finally confirmed what we have long suspected--it's working on an operating system--one based on its Chrome Web browser.

The company announced Google Chrome OS on its blog, saying lower-end PCs called Netbooks from unnamed manufacturers will include it in the second half of 2010. Linux will run under the covers of the open-source project, but the applications will run on the Web itself.

The move shows just how serious Google is about making the Web into a foundation not just for static pages but for active applications, notably its own such as Google Docs and Gmail. It also opens new competition with Microsoft and, potentially, a new reason for antitrust regulators to pay close attention to Google's moves.

In short, Google is aiming to render desktop software irrelevant. To thwart them, Microsoft needs Windows to do things that a browser can't--or do the same things significantly better.

Interestingly, if Microsoft wants some tips on how to do this, it might want to look toward Apple. Essentially, this has been Apple's challenge all along: make the Mac experience better enough than a generic PC that it is worth the added cost.

Google has a long history of tracking user activity, and the introduction of its Chrome operating system later this year is sure to follow suit. While we know that it's being built off of Linux, one big thing we don't know is how its terms of service will differ from those found in other Google products, and what kinds of user data it will be collecting. Based on the company's track record of watching and monetizing user data, it could track anything from the applications you're using, to all the information that's coming in and out of your computer.
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by mdg1019 July 10, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
Oh for Pete's sake. I wish just one tech writer would take the time to really read Google's press release about Chrome OS. If they did, they'd realize that it is far from the Windows killer that all of the M$ haters have been waiting for Google to finally unveil. Guess what? That fantasy OS ain't Chrome OS. Chrome OS is just a glorified browser system and if any of these morons think cloud computing is just around the corner I'd like to know where the trillions of dollars it'll take to redo the US Internet infrastructure will come from to make that a serious reality. Good Lord, many parts of this country still don't even have broadband access and what broadband access there is in this country is second-rate at best. Network latency is all to prevalent. If everybody rushes out to buy Chrome OS based computers and really start using the "cloud" they're going to find it pathetically slow going. Users have always wanted bigger and faster computers, not computers that crawl due to an Internet infrastructure that just plain sucks. How these writers get hired in the first place is beyond me.
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by Vindicator_6 July 10, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Amen Brother!!

Does anyone realize how much stuff we keep connecting to the internet?? PC's, laptops, PDA's, Xbox, Wiii, Playstion, Blu-ray player, etc...it gets mind boggling. And we keep adding more & more!

I use the web every day, just like everyone else....for work, research & fun. Even with Internet 2.0...this will still be a strain. i attended a seminar, back in the 90's , when MS & & Sun were making these proposals. I stood up and started listing then "what if's":

What if....
A major router goes down
Hackers attack the web based apps, data bases & OS'
part of the internet backbone gets damaged (anyone remeber 911 & California rolling blackouts??)
Telcoms that go belly up (worldcomm, MCI)
_i'll stop here_

Will anyone be able to do any work? the answer would be NO! If you OS & APPs are web based & the web goes down, for any reason, you will not be able to do s.h.i.t.

These people need to get out of the "Clouds" & get back to "Reality"
by Fil0403 July 11, 2009 4:48 AM PDT
Amen, this must be like the 100th supposed Windows-killer (after all the Linux distros and Mac OSs that failed miserably in that respect), and when we're talking about supposed Windows-killers, it doesn't really matter if you need to compile packages or type commands in a command prompt window to do everyday stuff, or if they don't run half the hardware and software that Windows does, or if they need an Internet connection to able to actually do something productive, all that matters is that they're competing "mighty monopoly Windows" from "evil Microsoft", gotta praise it before actually knowing something substantial about it.
by NewsReader_ July 10, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
"In short, Google is aiming to render desktop software irrelevant. To thwart them, Microsoft needs Windows to do things that a browser can't--or do the same things significantly better."

Here is something fundamental that Windows can do that a browser based OS cannot... function without a network connection.

I really wish that news organizations, bloggers, etc. would stop pitching Google's non-existant OS as something that is going to take over the desktop and oust Windows. They may make some money with things like Netbooks; especially if they get a lot of open source contributions lowering their costs), but a "Windows killer", ain't gonna happen.

Apple has a much better shot at that than Google does. Funny how people just forgot about the progress Macs have made just because Google has a press release about an OS. Apple and Linux have been trying for years to take a bite out of Windows and they still have 90% of the market.

Stop spreading this maddness. Love it or hate it, most of the world runs on Windows.
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by SpiritWater July 10, 2009 1:47 PM PDT
HTML 5.0 allows for offline browsing, so if the network is down you'll still be able to write email (al beit saved in your outbox) and make documents and spreadsheets etc.
by MrHapyman July 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
For the next foreseeable future, Microsoft's dominance in the OS business would not be significantly threatened. Chrome OS, no matter how good it is, would be a niche player in terms of being a serious contender for the OS market.

For the vast majority of businesses, governments, power users and other institutional users Microsoft Operating Systems would still continue to be the defector OS, because they are truly solid, tested, in-place and because of (TOC) cost of ownership. Linux stands a much better chance to be a significant player than Chrome, at least in the next 10 years or so.

In the last 20 years in the frontlines of IT business, I have never come across a single client that mentioned anything to me about switching to some other operating system, because of initial cost considerations or some other reason. Businesses are driven by total cost of ownership, such as support, learning curve, ability to run business applications, employee motivation, disruptiveness.... not the initial purchase price, even if the price is free. So no, if I were Microsoft, I would not lose sleep over Chrome OS.
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by kwhsy82 July 10, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
To mdg: Who would have thought the Internet could handle YouTube and Facebook? Uploading a google doc is pretty small change compared to video.

To NewsReader: umm, what exactly is Apple's market share in PCs that Google should be emulating? 5%? And yes, things always stay the same: those cell phones are just a fad, it's all about land lines. And Windows has always had 90%+ share. Etc.
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by theantibush July 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
Yeah I?d be really happy with an OS that depends upon the mood of my ISP and the accuracy of drunks speeding past the WAN link pole out front. It?s a warm feeling I get when I consider my business apps are competing for bandwidth against music and porn downloaders. And certainly people like the North Koreans won?t even think about DOS (DOOS?) attacks. I absolutely love the idea of having my business dealings broadcast to the saints at Google. And don?t give me your ?its encrypted!? garbage. The pizza parlors by the pentagon know when something big is gonna happen simply by observing pizza traffic. And capitalism being what it is, it wouldn?t be long before my mission-critical apps and data are in the hands of exploited third-world or communist data centers who could pull the plug on a whim. Chrome is exciting..if you are an idiot.
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by Brehhah July 10, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
I don't think I'm an idiot for liking chrome. Its not going to take over or destroy windows or anything but it might be good for casual users who are mainly on the internet and do simple things like type word documents, kinda of like the type of person that would use a netbook. The North Koreans could attack or something... i guess, but so far the net has been pretty reliable (though its hard to think of a basis for comparison). Also, casual users aren't always dependant on their computers for critical things.
by SIGHUP July 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT
Maybe in 10 years it will be out of beta status.
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by Jlmc727 July 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT
All I can say there is no way in Heck I would load an OS or Internet browser where the manufacture's source of revenue is from Internet advertiseing. I have a hard enough time keeping peoples nosies out of my computer and personal life. What type of privacy could you have when the OS is written by an advertiser?
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by thecommi July 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT
how can chrome os be a windows killer? it basically will only be able to do what iphone can do - browse internet, read/write email, watch videos, play music, maybe some image/video editing, some simple games... what else?

windows on the other hand has applications and games that keeps us locked. everything i use at work only runs on windows and in rare cases on macs (i am a software developer). same story with my home activities... linux cant substitute for windows, how do u expect chrome os do that? it's even further from windows in it's capabilities...

i wonder what all these bloggers use their computers for...
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by krenick July 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
Okay, all this fuss is about Bing. Yes that's right. Microsoft aimed straight at Google with Bing. And Bing seems to be gaining popularity. It's actually a very well done searching engine. Google is trying to play Microsoft's game, but seems like they're forgetting that Microsoft has been doing the OS game for decades now and just throwing another Linux distro out there with a lot of Marketing is nothing new. If anything this is only bad for Ubuntu which is a great system. And no I don't want all my activity to be watched by Google. So yes I will go with Ubuntu if I don't want to pay the money.
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by djvirgen July 10, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
You will still be able to use Chrome OS while offline thanks to Google Gears and HTML5, which supports client-side databases. You can already use Gmail offline, which gives you read-only access to your inbox like you would have in Outlook if you're offline.

The only immediate limitations I can see are production applications like video/audio editing. Eventually there could be web-versions, but it will be a while before HTML and Javascript can handle these in real time.
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by Jlmc727 July 10, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
Actually with Outlook you are not in a read-only access you can create and reply to emails in offline mode they are just not sent till you connect. I don't use Gmail but I would assume it works the same way or what good is it in an offline mode.
by bryanwalker July 10, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Google's a joke anyway, plain and simple they are a search engine provider, nothing more and very doubtful that anybody will ever recognize them as anything more!

Personally, I prefer Yahoo!
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by Brehhah July 10, 2009 2:54 PM PDT
Well, Gmail is very big, and so is Google Earth, Google Maps, and Google Docs, plus they run YouTube. Their income does mainly come from their search engine, but they have used that income to make a lot of successful products that a lot of people use
by AppleSuxLeo July 10, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
This Chrome OS is a rip-off of what Palm is already doing...namely Web OS which has a Linux kernel.
How come no one else has recognized this ? Google is not innovating here. They are copying Palm !
And let me know when my games such as Halo and Chrysis will run on my "Chrome OS" LOL
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by Thinker00 July 10, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
Who writes this diatribe? I already know who reads it with fervor.

Google?s Chrome OS is not an operating system, it is a browser configuration over LINUX ? perhaps a way for LINUX to find a good seat at the desktop table for netbooks. This is not a great leap in innovation, nor is it any real competition for MS, though in the end it may end up being competition for the mobile computing platform on PDAs and cells.

What editor let this slip past the reality check? Where?s the reference to ?MAC OS Killer? in the article, and why the illicit statements regarding MS vs Apple in an article that should have been focused on a new low overhead netbook schema? Where?s the analysis of desktop vs netbook, and the need for Google?s Chrome OS (actually browser driven LINUX) to have a robust and reliable network connection to be useful? Desktop PC power for processor demanding and graphic intensive applications will not be overcome by Chrome OS to be sure. I have a couple of netbooks, 1 state-of-the-art running XP and 1 state-of-the-shelf running LINUX, and neither can handle multitasking with a couple of browser windows and the network activity greatly increases the battery burn rate. They are useful tools for low demand applications with periodic network access, but portraying them as desktop or laptop killers is dishonest (snake-oil ? IMO).

CNET ? this is disappointing, and would hardly qualify as incompetent editorialism. Shelve the bias, and get some objectivity back in the analysis of emerging tech.
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by AppleSuxLeo July 10, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
Agree 100%
by thecommi July 10, 2009 2:56 PM PDT
agree 200%
by Vrmithrax July 14, 2009 5:48 AM PDT
Do a little market research. What you say has valid points, but netbooks are the single largest growth market in the PC sector, by a landslide. They are growing, laptop sales are stagnating and even sliding. The reason? Not everyone is a power user like you or me, many MANY people just want a nice little unit that does a few simple things that they need, end of story. That niche turns out to be HUGE, and people are flocking to the netbooks to fill it.

Oh, and Chrome OS isn't just a browser over LINUX, from all accounts. If it was, it'd be out next week. It looks to be a complete desktop/interface overlay (I think of it as the "Gnome-killer") that will be tightly integrated with LINUX to keep efficiency and optimization as high as possible... They know the limitations of the hardware platform they are targeting, so they want to make an OS that exploits and complements the limitations, rather than just shearing down a big bloated OS and kludging it together to make it at least passable on a netbook. It's a complete 180 degree divergence from how MS is handling it - Chrome is being built from the ground up, based on the LINUX kernel (which is really very lean and light); MS is shredding their existing bloated OS down and trying to cobble it into a limited platform. It's going to be interesting, in the end, to see which performs better.
by jessiethe3rd July 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT
This Google Chrome OS on a netbook or any PC reminds me of back in the day when you use to sign up with an ISP and get free internet if you subject yourself to having advertisers gather information about your internet habits and present you opportunities to buy stuff aka junk.

Google should subsidize the devices or give some type of ad revenue sharing back to the OEM manufactures. As a matter of fact I bet you that's in the pact... some type of ad revenue sharing potential to get names like HP on board. Seriously it's a shame - people need to wake up and think about who you share your information with. Google's "Don't be Evil" is an oxymoron. They are a company, their aim is to gain revenues and grow revenues.... if those revenues don't grow that stock does not go up. Exploitation is the name of the game and no matter what Green Project you think up the end results is to build revenue, secure business, and take out the competition at all costs.
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by Fil0403 July 11, 2009 5:01 AM PDT
Amen, but they're competing against Microsoft, and any company in such a position automatically turns into a widely-supported good, admirale, respectable GreenPeace-like institution in many people's minds who somehow think that they're some kind of charity organization trying to free the world from Microsoft dominance and not a business with the exact some goal as any other business (making money) - even if they are more "evil" than Microsoft and/or their products and/or services suck.
by Fil0403 July 11, 2009 5:21 AM PDT
I welcome Google's entrance in the OS wars: I think it's positive 1) for us consumers, in that in puts pressure on Microsoft, Apple, and Linux-developers to improve their respective offerings and 2) for me personally, in that it puts pressure on Microsoft to make that that is already the best OS available (Windows) even better; but this?

"In short, Google is aiming to render desktop software irrelevant. To thwart them, Microsoft needs Windows to do things that a browser can't--or do the same things significantly better.

Interestingly, if Microsoft wants some tips on how to do this, it might want to look toward Apple. Essentially, this has been Apple's challenge all along: make the Mac experience better enough than a generic PC that it is worth the added cost."

I think CNET (and Google, and Apple, and Linux-backers) should stop smoking that weed, get back to reality, and give a try to (read "learn from") Windows 7. Google might have talent enough to give Windows some tuff competition (even if IMO is in a better position to compete against Microsoft in this area), but let's not turn things around: if someone has something to learn with someone is Google, Apple, and Linux-developers from Microsoft, not the other way around (last time I checked, Microsoft was the one winning this "OS war").
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by Fil0403 July 11, 2009 5:22 AM PDT
I meant "(even if IMO *Apple* is in a better position to compete against Microsoft in this area)", sorry.
by Fil0403 July 11, 2009 5:25 AM PDT
And let's not forget that hardware and software compatibility/ecossystem/options is a rightful advantage on its own merit and something you can learn to turn into reality.
by FF2009 July 11, 2009 5:27 AM PDT
Anything that squeezes MS shares is fine with me. Go Google. I will try your OS and decide from there.
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by Vrmithrax July 14, 2009 5:36 AM PDT
I'm always amazed at how stupid people thing Google is. Sure, they'll take advantage of the cloud computing thing, but we are talking about an OS that is targeting netbooks first, here. You know, those little things that people throw under their arm and wander off the grid, get on planes, open in their car to look up an address. Anyone who thinks that Google is making an OS that will ONLY work effectively when connected on a full scale broadband connection to the internet, well those people have to be idiots. They will no doubt build an offline system that is built to take advantage of a connection whenever it is available. And if they don't, well then THEY are the clueless idiots in the equation.

Google didn't get where they are today by being stupid and ignoring market research, they are big now BECAUSE they are one of the few groups that listen and tailor their path to meet what their consumers need and want.
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