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June 30, 2009 4:53 PM PDT

Cisco guns for Microsoft in collaboration market

by Marguerite Reardon

As Cisco Systems adds more functionality to its online WebEx conferencing service, it's ratcheting up the competitive pressure against partner and rival, Microsoft.

Cisco held a press event Tuesday to discuss how it plans to add more to its WebEx service. As the company includes more software into the conferencing service, it is competing more intensively and directly with one of its major partners, Microsoft.

"As Cisco expands this business, the co-opetition between Cisco and Microsoft will only increase," said Zeus Kerravala, an analyst with Yankee Group. "Microsoft is strong on the desktop and Cisco is taking a lot of these software functions into the cloud."

WebEx is a leading Web conferencing service that Cisco bought in 2007. This was Cisco's first foray into offering a service. And the product has been very successful. As a result, the company has used the service as the foundation for its emerging big business collaboration tools. Cisco has also recently bought two other companies that it plans to feed into the service.

Primarily, Cisco is adding more unified communications functionality to the service it calls WebEx Connect. This is an extension of the Web-based video conferencing service that also includes instant messaging and presence. Using technology from Jabber Cisco will add even more presence functionality. And through the acquisition of PostPath, it will add e-mail into the mix.

Cisco already competes with Microsoft in the unified communications market. In fact, the two companies are strong rivals here. But Microsoft has had an advantage over Cisco with its strong presence on the desktop.

Now Cisco is taking these services into the "cloud," where the company can leverage its existing expertise with WebEx to provide a virtual solution for its corporate customers.

But Cisco isn't just stopping with unified communications. The company is also in the early stages of offering document, spread sheet, and presentation creation and sharing as part of WebEx. These are very clearly areas where Microsoft has a strong foothold and a very strong business. The company's Office suite, which includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, is part of its business productivity portfolio. And Microsoft makes a lot of money from this software, about $60 billion of its sales during last fiscal year came from these products.

But Alex Hadden-Boyd, director of marketing for the collaboration software group at Cisco says that Cisco has no intention of going after Microsoft's core Office business. Instead, she said that Cisco is more interested in providing collaboration tools online that groups can use to create and share documents, spreadsheets, and presentations.

"If you look at WebEx Connect today, we already have the beginnings of this," she said. "We have team spaces with shared files and wikis. So we are already well on our way down that road. But we are not focusing on productivity applications or individuals such as re-creating Excel or PowerPoint."

"We are using our existing resources and we have no intention of creating the next Word application for individuals," she added. "We simply are trying to make it easier for work groups to share documents in a team space."

Yankee Group's Kerravala agrees that it doesn't make much sense for Cisco to try to compete against Microsoft's Office products at the desktop level.

"Cisco is not going to take on Microsoft head-to-head on the desktop," he said. "And the reason is simple. They know they'd lose. But Cisco has invested in the cloud and service technology that allows them to approach it differently."

That said, Hadden-Boyd said she does see competition increasing between Cisco and Microsoft in the overall collaboration market. She said the two companies will continue to compete aggressively in collaboration software such as IM and conferencing. Microsoft already offers IM and conferencing and is working on Web-enabling its Office applications.

But Cisco could some day compete head-to-head with Microsoft's email Exchange platform with its new e-mail service from PostPath.

"We could see that as a possibility," Hadden-Boyd said. "We could see businesses using PostPath for e-mail instead of Exchange."

As for the online collaboration market, Cisco and Microsoft aren't the only ones developing solutions. Google also offers document creation and sharing online. But so far those services haven't gotten much appeal outside of the individual consumer market. And it has yet to take shape in the enterprise market.

"Google is the wild card here," Kerravala said. "People are expecting Google to get into the enterprise market. And I see it possibly taking off with a younger kind of worker. But Google has never monetized anything outside its advertising revenue. So it will be interesting to see."

Marguerite Reardon has been a CNET News reporter since 2004, covering cell phone services, broadband, citywide Wi-Fi, the Net neutrality debate, as well as the ongoing consolidation of the phone companies. E-mail Maggie.
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by MMC Racing June 30, 2009 6:24 PM PDT
Cisco knows hardware, but all their software apps are terrible. Their desktop phone looking VoIP application is a mess.
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by Commander_Spock June 30, 2009 8:59 PM PDT
Re: "But Cisco isn't just stopping with unified communications. The company is also in the early stages of offering document, spread sheet, and presentation creation and sharing as part of WebEx. These are very clearly areas where Microsoft has a strong foothold and a very strong business. The company's Office suite, which includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, is part of its business productivity portfolio. And Microsoft makes a lot of money from this software, about $60 billion of its sales during last fiscal year came from these products...."

Well, it does appear that the "game" is getting bigger (more players getting involved in the spread sheet, collaboration space...); and, one competitor that is certain to place is IBM with its Lotus Symphony (the upgrade to 1.3 which it has quietly released over the past few.weeks) which incidentally now comes with "the ability to import Microsoft Office 2007 files into Symphony means that Microsoft Office customers can save on licensing costs by switching to Symphony while retaining access to, and easy use of, the contents of their Office files. Lotus Symphony version 1.3 is now available free of charge on the Web at http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/products/symphony/. In addition, Symphony is shipped with every copy of Lotus Notes and Lotus Foundations software...."

http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/27757.wss

And, the losing market share is - The Microsoft Corporation.

Go IBM!
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by CTO_Dude July 1, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
@commander_spock

If by "losing market share" you mean like Open Office and Symphony. IBM currently has .07% of the market according to Gartner. Sun Star Office has .06%. How much money do you think IBM is going to invest if they capture less than 1% of market share for the next five years? Same goes for Sun and Cisco!!! This is just counterintuitive to assume that they will throw tons of innovation that makes them peanuts.
by jessiethe3rd July 1, 2009 6:39 AM PDT
Seriously - Microsoft has been doing this for a while now people just aren't hip to it and places like CNET don't really cover it extensively. Check out BPOS / Business Productivit Online Services - it includes Office Communication Server (realtime instant message and 1-1 VoIP), SharePoint Online (document retention and collaboration/team sites), Exchange Online (hosted exchange), LiveMeeting (webex)
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by Super2online July 1, 2009 9:25 AM PDT
I have been using BPOS for months now and love it. I also use a hosting services for WSS 3.0 separately in the same business. I love seeing competition, expecially in this area, since it will make what Microsoft puts out even better. Microsoft is on the verge of releasing Sharepoint 2010 and I expect to see some serious improvements that will send this already spectaculary successful business through the roof. Who can argue with a division that just recently celebrated a billion dollars coming in!
by forever4now July 1, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
Hopefully, all these new online office suite entrants will drive the adoption of one standard format for all office documents (e.g. ODF). Then, users will be able to pick the editing programs they like (web-based or desktop) and be confident that they will be able to exchange the documents with users of any other office suite. This would also make the migration between office suites easier.
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by Commander_Spock July 1, 2009 7:55 AM PDT
These were two excellent posts "jessiethe3rd" and "forever4now"; but, the question is - when are they all going to get it right (for example - resolving all the interoperability issues between International Organization for Standardization (ISO) approved Open Document Format Standards and the reducing "90% Microsoft OpenOffice Standards) so that the banks can deal with the the "toxic assets" and "U.S. Auto Makers"... can see the lights at the end of the tunnels.

So, where are the OEMs' Operating Systems!
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by CTO_Dude July 1, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
@commander_spock

What do open document standards have to do with toxic assets?
by Commander_Spock July 1, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
Question: Re: "What do open document standards have to do with toxic assets?"

Simple Answer: The Generic Development Continuum (open document format standards) upon which IBM's Lotus Symphony is based will be integrated with the Economic Rate of Return (ERR) Functionality (the antidote) to eliminate the "toxic" trash that was helped to be generated by Redmond.

"Mission Accomplished"!
by Commander_Spock July 1, 2009 10:38 AM PDT
Btw "CTO_Dude", Take a look at the contents of the below attached link the Lotus Jump Masters (Sky Divers....) are coming in the "Cloud" with a message for "The Redmond Campus". And, don't they look cool - huh! So, are you now going to bring out the "Street Sweepers..." as was previously indicated.

http://www.ibm.com/itsolutions/collaboration/

Have a nice day!
by rshimizu12 July 1, 2009 4:45 PM PDT
Cisco's entry into the collaboration market is a joke. The only way Cisco succeeds is by acquisition. So far Cisco has done little or no improvements to Webex
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by eudefender July 6, 2009 1:59 AM PDT
"But Microsoft has had an advantage over Cisco with its strong presence on the desktop."

I don't see the advantage. Desktop = mail and browser and office applications. With the office application and mail in the cloud only the browser is left and here competitors provide better solutions.

When you follow the cloud paradigm you will become desktop indifferent. Everyone like the MAC and even Linux is the best tool to avoid to lose office time with virus scanning. Safari, Chrome and Firefox are just fine. You don't need Windows for that.
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by eudefender July 6, 2009 1:59 AM PDT
"But Microsoft has had an advantage over Cisco with its strong presence on the desktop."

I don't see the advantage. Desktop = mail and browser and office applications. With the office application and mail in the cloud only the browser is left and here competitors provide better solutions.

When you follow the cloud paradigm you will become desktop indifferent. Everyone like the MAC and even Linux is the best tool to avoid to lose office time with virus scanning. Safari, Chrome and Firefox are just fine. You don't need Windows for that.
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