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March 14, 2009 6:25 PM PDT

HP further cuts EDS salaries

by Natalie Weinstein
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Hewlett-Packard is cutting salaries of EDS workers another 10 percent beyond what it first announced in February, ZDNet reported Friday.

Last month, the company announced salary cuts for all employees, ranging from 2.5 percent for nonexempt employees to 20 percent for the CEO, ZDNet said. HP also said it was making changes to employee benefits to save money.

According to a Friday memo obtained by ZDNet: "Unfortunately, we need to take additional action. Specifically, we have decided to make a temporary, additional reduction in base salary affecting EDS business unit employees in the United States and Puerto Rico."

The temporary salary reductions will go into effect next month and end in May, according to the memo, and workers who make less than $40,000 annually are excluded.

Hewlett-Packard acquired EDS in a multibillion-dollar deal last year.

Natalie Weinstein is an associate editor who works out of Austin, Texas. She spent a decade as a reporter and editor in the newspaper industry before joining the CNET News staff in 2000. E-mail Natalie.
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by redfordedsr March 14, 2009 8:26 PM PDT
It would be nice to see the HP CEO, Mark Hurd take a significant cut to his overal compensation. The 20% cut to his base salary is a joke and an insult to every current and former EDS / HP employee.
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by Ski747 March 15, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
He will not. I remember we had a meeting when he visited our campus and told us this is not a democracy and he will do what he wants wether we like it or not. Came straight from his mouth. To bad they gave themselves a 282% increase in pay over this year. Way to be a team leader. Thanks Mark!
by jmfsabc March 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT
Hey Natalie.. I know the email was in fact sent.

But can you confirm that it was really sent from HP/EDS Management?

This doesn't make sense, on many levels, particularly coming less than a month after the original.

The wording of this almost makes it seem like a hoax.

They say temporary don't really say for how long,
Kind of say Temporary "For April".
Sounds like it could be an April fools joke????

Not sure who "EDS Worldwide Marketing - Communications" is.
And why they would be the ones sending an email like this.

Not sure why they would sign it "Sincerely, The EDS Senior Leadership Team".
Not sent form Mark Heard or Joe Eazor.
Doesnt make sense.
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by DC_ March 15, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
The email was in fact sent by Worldwide Marketing. The email also states that the salaries will be restored to previous levels for May, so the reduction is in effect for the month of April only. This does not reverse the previous reductions announced in February though.

I can't explain why it was sent from the Marketing group. (Typically used by the Marketing group to announce special Employee pricing on HP products). We can speculate that it was an attempt at abscuring the message, or that HP simply felt that it might better grab our attention.

As a pre-accuisition EDS employee, I don't really know if HP typically uses the Marketing group mailings for such announcements.
by SlimGem March 15, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
My companies business has slowed to the point where we have all taken a 40% cut.
And I make less than $40,000. It's getting nasty out in the real world.
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by cjsks March 16, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
SlimGem, sorry to hear about your recent misfortune, however EDS' business has not slowed. In fact the new business pipeline has been robust, and the wins have been steady and impressive. More, I'm afraid, than our already thinned-out and now utterly downtrodden work force can realistically be expected to properly service. "The HP/EDS Senior Leadership Team" would stand to benefit from a visit to "the real world".
by beyondangry March 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT
I work for EDS at Xerox..... its not like we (developers etc..those below middle management) are like unsold inventory like cars... we are all revenue generating. HP (Mark Hurd) is taking advantage of the current economic situation so as to be sure he and his other execs can take their millions in bonus late this year. He took over $27 million in 2008... over $60 million over the last 3 years. He has the conscience or lack there of.. of a serial killer. Another point... did they get away with this in Europe?? They were in for a big fight there because in Europe the IT workers are unionized. I've always been as anti union as it gets.... but if we dont do something in the US.... an entire career path (IT) will be sent out of the country by parasites like HP/EDS... US / HP EDS...... host parasite relationship.
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by UC2K March 31, 2009 3:55 PM PDT
Sign a union card.
by Ski747 March 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
I agree with jmfsabc, I think this may be a hoax. I received the email Friday around 9pm. I was in the HP business unit, but took a new job under the EDS banner. Usually emails like this have a letter head and are singed by Mark Hurd or in this case Joe Easer. Also, why would it only be one month? Usually any cuts should be system wide, not just EDS. I feel sorry for all of us as I am new under EDS and my old coworkers at HP are not getting hit with the 10% additional cut. But this really does not make any sense. These types of cuts are org wide usually. Why was it sent from marketing group? Very wierd. Also, why in April? April fools maybe? Something is fishy about this. I never liked Mark Hurd and he only cares about profit and shareholders. I used to be a big HP product supporter etc, but why when they will replace me aith a 50 cent an hour kid overseas. I am not bitter, just realizing the truth. HP does not care about it employees nor the relationship that can be created. I can say that I no longer support HP products, work any harder or over and now think its just a job. That is the only way I get by. I am sorry for all you EDS people, you got the bad end of the stick and it was wrong. You guys deserve more. But, its all about money and greed. Sorry guys.
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by ConcernedEmployee March 16, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
It's no hoax - unless HP's goal is to waste all sorts of what could be productive time (a relative term these days with salaries being cut) with conference calls with my manager followed by a company-wide conference call by Joe Eazor on Thursday to discuss the business decision behind the pay cuts.

I've heard a number of conspiracy theories behind the additional 10% cut:
1) It won't be temporarily 1 month. I happen to believe this one. 1 month seems awfully arbitrary to me. I think it's probably to soften the blow of "until further notice."
2) EDS/HP still have 10,000-14,000 more layoffs to go to reach that magic 24,000 layoff target from when the companies merged. By decreasing salary for 1 month, then hitting the other 14,000 people with 60-day notices in April it allows them to reduce their severence packages. (This also seems like a realistic reason behind the salary cut.)

As an employee I am thankful for my job; but I can't help but think I'm just sittin' in a broken-down car on railroad tracks staring at a freight train headed straight for me. First, my raise was taken away. Then my pay was cut. Then it was cut again. Well...it was a good ride while it lasted....
by jmfsabc March 16, 2009 12:34 PM PDT
So, I can understand if Easer/Hurd are all for the share prices and there bonusses. That is the nature of a large compnay.

I can also buy in to cost reductions.

Having said that, this business I conn't really understand this business decision.
The first cut was very broad brush. Like a management decision without having to really think about priorities.

This one, presumably is targetted at EDS US because labor laws will allow it.
There is no doubt that it will lead to short term cost savings.

But it almost seems punitive.
Is management sending the message that they want EDS US employees to quit?

That just doesn't make sense. EDS is a services company.
Revenues are directly related to the number of employees.
EDS will not have the resources to deliver Business that is being won this quarter.

One could argue that EDS will simply ramp up with cheaper resources.

I am sure that can work for some services like call centers, but it just hasn't worked out very well for high value/high margin services like ap dev. Similarly, alot of EDS work is Govt and Offshore is not viable.

So, next quarter EDS may either be in breach of contract, have hostile customers or be in a situation where they have hired sub-contractors at even higher rates.

All of this leads me to the question. "So why did HP acquire EDS". $14 Bil is a significant amount.
The stated reason was to expand services revenue.
This has happened by default and really proped HP's number last quarter.

But now by targetting EDS employees with this targetted punitive salary cut.
They are setting the stage where EDS top services folks will be walking.
The customer realitionships will go along with them, as will the ability to win hi-margin work.

I am sure somebody has a vision for where they want this $14B investment to go.
But it is way less than obvious to me.
Actions to date suggest that HP may chase any of the value it acquired through EDS aquisition out the door during the first year and end up with nothing but low cost, low value, low moral employees. Which sounds more like a liability than a compelling services story to me.
by BigBoy3388 March 16, 2009 7:01 AM PDT
This is the actual email from "Leaders" (I am an EDS employee for 5 years now, and appalled):

To EDS Business Unit Employees in the United States and Puerto Rico:
Since becoming part of HP last year, we have accomplished a great deal and should be proud of what we have delivered together. Our service excellence remains high, and we have closed a number of significant deals. Our execution during the transition phase has been outstanding. As we move from the integration phase into the transformation phase, we know from experience with our own client projects this will be the most difficult part of our journey.
Our goal is to transform the business into a future state, which will grow faster than the market and enable us to take share from our competitors. We will then be able to deliver above-industry benchmark returns to our shareholders and price deals that win more business while providing flexibility to invest in innovation, delivering greater value to our clients.
The gap between where we are today and accomplishing our goals is widened by the current economic climate. As a result, we need to take temporary actions to get us through this difficult period. Our customers expect EDS to be a financially strong partner and, as employees, we expect a healthy company as well. With this in mind, we announced specific actions on March 9 to reduce our cost structure and enable the business to improve operating profit and grow as we enter fiscal year 2010.
Unfortunately, we need to take additional action. Specifically, we have decided to make a temporary, additional reduction in base salary affecting EDS business unit employees in the United States and Puerto Rico.
Base salaries for all United States and Puerto Rico employees in the EDS business unit will be temporarily reduced beyond those reductions previously announced by HP on February 18, as follows:
An additional, temporary reduction of 10 percent in base salary effective for April 2009
Base salary will not be reduced for employees below an annualized, full-time equivalent income of $40,000 by this additional, temporary action
In May 2009, base salary for United States and Puerto Rico employees in the EDS business unit will be reinstated to the levels of base salary effective on March 16. This includes reductions previously outlined in HP?s February 18 announcement. While we have no plans for an additional base salary reduction, we will continue to closely monitor the performance of our business and make further adjustments as required in the coming months.
We recognize these are tough actions, and you can be assured we made this decision after much thought and assessment. We ask for your support and understanding as we work through these very difficult times. We are confident we will strengthen our position in a consolidating market. We will be one of the industry?s strongest and safest pairs of hands, trusted by our clients to solve their technology challenges.
Sincerely,
The EDS Senior Leadership Team
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by edsconsultant March 16, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
My one comment on this is related to the increased managerial overhead that has been introduced into the EDS business unit since last fall. Rather than adding a layer or two of management to find positions for some of the good old boys, it wouuld have made more sense to maintain the generally more flattened EDS org structure. Adding overhead makes it more difficult to meet financial targets. Joe, if you want EDS to improve margins, start with the functional/business overlap that is growing under your tenure rather than attacking/reducing the revenue generation engine. EDS is *not* a product company.
by UC2K March 31, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
EDS Managers deserve a unionized workforce. The naked greed of this employer will only be brought to heel by workers organized and brave. It will not be easy. Each of you will have to sacrifice something personal for the collective good of all. You will have to discard decades of psychological conditioning and start thing "We" instead of "Me". It can be done.
by cjsks March 16, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
What a slap to the face. You send out all these emails about how well EDS is doing, new business left and right. More wins than I suspect anyone honestly expected. We have all of this new work, we're already spread thin after the layoffs, and now you completely demoralize your work force with not one, but two pay cuts??

Dear EDS/HP executive management, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?! You can't expect anyone to believe that this is for any reason other than to pad your own executive bonuses. Please remove heads from you know where! It's 9-5 now, no more 60-70hr weeks outta me. Going to need a part-time gig after this, thanks.
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by OlsonBW March 16, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
I worked in banks in the '80s and '90s and it was the same thing. Every time they announced record profits (almost every year) the next line would be about budget cuts. Then later we would find out about the bonuses and raises of the top executives.
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by edsconsultant March 16, 2009 1:40 PM PDT
I read the notice on Friday just before our org manager called a meeting to discuss the ramifications. It is clear that EDS is classifed as a group of second class citizens in the HP-EDS world. It is also clear that HP purchased EDS not for its services business but for its customer base, in particular the US federal government, as it represents fertile new territory for its hw salesmen.

I don't expect HP to move EDS, what was a viable services organization, to the next level - that requires a management team that is not predominantly composed of printer cartridge salesmen. I do see this as a move to further reduce the workforce without having to go through the expensive and time consuming severance process. A cumulative 15% salary rollback that will likely be permanent based on the "fine print" in the announcement combined with no pension plan and no 401k will drive people out of the company. So much for the management objective of 'retaining and rewarding our talented people'.
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by drwhatever March 17, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
I think it is time to send EDS-HP a message, all USA and Puerto Rico employees should call in sick on April 1st to send a message to "the Management". This 15% reduction is a morale killer and needs to be communicated to the leadership. Maybe it is time to go union... as much as I hate that thought, (never liked or been in a union) but current legislation may make this a viable option and joining CWA or at least highlighting the possibility will send a strong signal! Kind of interesting seeing a HP advertisement as a sponsored Link at bottom of this screen, they still have money to do that but want to cut our pay with no true justifications, It is responsibility of the upper management to ensure the integration goes smoothly, but they say costs are too high... but they can't manage the integration by releasing redundencies faster so expect all EDS'ers to take additional pay cuts... Bad management! And why should we suffer for their mistakes? Lets see bonus cuts to executives or hear something about this rumor of pay for performance... what is up with that? I am EDS employee and my managers managers manager can't tell me what pay for performance is... sounds like a pipe dream or bold faced lie from CEO that will still get his Big Bonus while average employees get shafted! I will not work April 1st and may not even be employed on that date if i can find another job paying close to reduced amount. I think it is penality for law suit that says they can't make our 401K a zero percentage!
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by what-if March 20, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
I can't speak for the rest of HP-EDS employees, but I am starting to feel sick already!
by UC2K March 31, 2009 3:54 PM PDT
Sign union cards in overwhelming numbers and send a real message to the people who think you are their property. In Europe, Canada, Australia and even India, IT workers are standing together against bad employers. President Obama wants real change. When will workers have a better ally than that? This is an opportunity that comes once in a lifetime, a political climate in which it is recognized that workers deserve the right to a good stable job. Those jobs come, not through hard work for a slave driver but by workers banding together and fighting as one. EDS and IBM are two outfits that have been getting rich on beaten workers for way too long! Organize!
by EDS_peon March 19, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
Today, Joe Eazor had a town hall meeting where he told us we all had to "work as a team" and contribute to "cost savings". Teamwork implies some sort of say in what is going on. EDS didn't treat us as a "team" when deciding to cut our pay, nor when we had to take on additional work that used to be performed by all those who were cut. He did not thank us for taking on all this additional work. Instead,his message to us was more like a scolding for complaining!

I have never seen employee morale so low as it was after Eazor's speech, nor have I seen my coworkers as bitter about our treatment at the hand of HP. I am certain that as soon as more outside employment options open up, a mass desertion of EDSers will ensue. Unfortunately, we're currently trapped in this cycle of abuse from our EDS high-level leadership.
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by durangoman March 20, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
Do not forget that he made it very clear in the beginning that this meeting was to remain confidential. IMO he was referring to the many blog postings of the various emails being posted and airing of HP's dirty laundry.

Overall, I felt the entire meeting was disingenious and insulting. No questions that I knew were asked were answered without the old softshoe tap dance.

Specifically, the topic around how those would be impacted outside the US/PR was brought up. He never did tell us how they were contributing to the cost issues - only that they had their own plans in place. It is obvious to me that since the US/PR have no protective labor laws in matters such as this, HP is going to take advantage of this and screw its employees where it can.

Thanks HP, I appreciate you helping your US/PR employees out in this manner. Also, for allowing us to now choose which bill gets paid on time or is deliquient.
by UC2K March 31, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
Here's a team for you: U.N.I.O.N. If workers banding together for the common good doesn't make you feel better, receiving an email from the PR Department, signed by your millionaire boss, a so-called town hall meeting with a dictator won't do it either. In all free and democratic countries, workers have the right of free assembly and association -- if they choose to exercizs it. They also have the right to submit to a slave driver and die of overwork and poverty.
by what-if March 20, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
According to companypay.com, which pulls data from SEC filings, HP executives awarded themselves $77 million in bonuses for 2008 performance. EDS's last recorded bonuses were a mere $45 million.

From the same sources it is evident that Mark Hurd's 20% paycut cost him roughly $288,000 per year. <gasp> The poor guy! But don't worry, HP's un-lusterous leader will be ok. His next $24 million dollar bonus should reduce the agony of that loss. Or maybe he'll make it $26 million to cover his loss.

We know where Mark's bonus money came from; Employee benefits, training, travel, and pay. But here's what I want to know; when the employees have been bled dry and the outsource services business collapses, will he be drinking prune juice on his yacht and laughing at the board of directors for letting him drain the company of it's most valuable assets and leaving them with nothing but non-performance lawsuits? <'suckers!'>

HEY! What are you doing reading this? Aren't you supposed to be bustin' your bumm so Mark can get another multi-million dollar bonus? Get to work!
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by UC2K March 31, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
So when will EDS workers in overwhelming numbers sign union cards? It's a no-brainer: Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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by UC2K April 15, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
Hmm... not too many people commenting on the idea of unionization. Hey, it's okay! The boss won't know you were talking about it.
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by Grumpyz77 September 24, 2009 1:54 PM PDT
What you EDS folk's missed was all the prior bloodletting of HP employees just before the acquisition of EDS. This behavior is old news around HP. After the HP board revolt that lead to Fiorina's demise the make up of HP's board still didn't go in the direction that the legacy shareholders wanted. (Hewlett and Packard must be spinning in their graves as there families are weeping at what HP has become.) Following the HP/Compaq merger (where Compaq really bought HP using HP's money. The HP you see today is really Compaq.) there were over 100,000 people laid off world wide. Now the world is a great big place but it doesn't matter how you cut it; 100,000 people is a whole freaking city. Once again, the non-unionized (read the America's) was left with the brunt of the bleeding. Y'all need to get use to it; this IS business in the new century. The days of companies caring a damn about its people are over. Executive bonuses (and the ability to pay them) are now the biggest asset of any corporation. If you think this behavior is unique to HP then you need to get out more. Stop whining and got find your next job and thank GOD for Wal-Mart where someday we will all be competing for the same greeter's position.
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