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Louis Gutierrez, Massachusetts' chief information officer, said in an interview with CNET News.com that the Information Technology Division (ITD) is forging ahead with its project to make OpenDocument the default document format for executive branch agencies by January next year.
"Our next action is to do what we are doing right now, which is working toward the goal. We believe in the utility of open standards," Gutierrez said Friday.
On Thursday, state Sen. Marc Pacheco, the chairman of the Senate Committee on Post Audit and Oversight, released a report that blasted the process behind the choice of OpenDocument, calling it "closed" and controlled by a few individuals.
Gutierrez said he disagreed with the report's characterization of the process that led up to the state's decision to standardize on OpenDocument, or ODF. But he noted that the oversight committee was not opposed to the state's movement to open standards.
"There is substantial concurrence on going forward in the right way," Gutierrez.
The report's release and the ITD's response to it are the latest twists in a months-long saga in Massachusetts that has attracted worldwide attention.
Supporters of the state's plan to go with OpenDocument, rather than a Microsoft format, have hailed it as a landmark move that will tilt the balance of power to customers and away from vendors. Critics, meanwhile, have called it a biased decision, unfairly favoring open-source products to the exclusion of Microsoft.
The state's efforts to wrest control of its data from proprietary formats appears to have struck a chord with a number of government agencies, companies and even individuals seeking to avoid "vendor lock-in."
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Stephen O'Grady, an analyst at RedMonk, said that Massachusetts has validated the idea of standardizing on a non-Microsoft format, giving its effort a symbolic significance for others.
"Many enterprises are not thrilled about paying Microsoft what they do for Office, but feel like they have to. ODF by itself does not remove those concerns, but it does begin to open doors that were not there previously, if only from a negotiating standpoint," O'Grady said.
Although Gutierrez was not involved in the original decision to choose OpenDocument, he lauded the decision as the right thing to do.
"That move has helped move the dial for everyone," he said, noting Microsoft has submitted its own document formats to standards bodies and that it has made changes to its licensing terms.
"I think it was surely controversial and it did, in fact, have certain defects the process...But it was the right thing. It's something that will be recognized as having been an important step in a really valid direction," he said.
The promise of plug-ins
Since taking over the reins as CIO earlier in January this year, Gutierrez has led a few pilot projects of OpenDocument-compliant products from Sun Microsystems, IBM and the open-source OpenOffice suite.
The state has also engaged IT services company EDS to do a full-scale, five-year cost analysis of moving to OpenDocument, which Gutierrez said the state was nearly done with.
In addition, the state has hired an expert and created a lab to address the needs of people with disabilities--an area where Pacheco and some disabilities advocates have been critical of the planned OpenDocument move.
Although observers initially thought the state's decision to use OpenDocument would lead to the removal of Microsoft Office from 50,000 desktops in Massachusetts, Gutierrez said that Office may stay around.
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Louis Gutierrez
He said the state's IT department is investigating a plug-in that would allow people using Office to save and share documents in the OpenDocument format. Microsoft has said it will not build support for OpenDocument into Office 2007, citing lack of demand.
So far, that plug-in approach shows "enormous promise" because it could meet accessibility requirements and potentially cost less than a large-scale migration, Gutierrez said.
He added that he is prepared to evaluate Microsoft's Open Office XML formats, which are expected to become standardized next year.
But what's essential is a transition to XML-based document formats like OpenDocument, Gutierrez said.
"Our whole mindset is around writing memos and saving them to disk, but that is not the future of this. The future is about document workflow, and document workflow is greatly enhanced with XML-based documents," he said. "And it's hard to work with XML-based documents unless you have the standard form."
Gutierrez added that the Massachusetts IT Division, in conjunction with the Secretary of Administration and Finance, intends to give a formal update on the project in late July or early August.
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If Microsoft wants to overcharge the government of Massachusetts for document software it looks like they will need to back pedal on their statement of earlier this year that they would never consider Open Document for inclusion into Word.
Oh, that's right, didn't they do just that last week? something about a new version going to include open document?
seems like Microsoft has a policy of never considering anything they do!
If Microsoft wants to overcharge the government of Massachusetts for document software it looks like they will need to back pedal on their statement of earlier this year that they would never consider Open Document for inclusion into Word.
Oh, that's right, didn't they do just that last week? something about a new version going to include open document?
seems like Microsoft has a policy of never considering anything they do!
You do realize that Microsoft's newest format will be based on XML right? So, if they upgrade to the newest version of office, will they be equally as stupid for wanting to go with ODF?
"The Mass IT people should let the software producer decide what the best format is, as its their software and they know it best."
WRONG! First of all, should we really rely on Microsoft to decide what the best format for OUR needs are? Typically the best format for your data is the format that isn't tied to any specific product. This might not always be an option, but in a format for documents, this is an option.
"You see this in IT all the time - particularly among those who are trying to make themselves appear important."
No person in IT would make a radical decision that will affect their job and the ease of doing their job just to appear important.
"Its going to cost Mass millions, and for little to no benefit."
Not necessarily. The ODF Alliance (I believe its them) is currently working on a plug-in that will work with Office to work with ODF documents. I would also suspect that this plugin will be of little or no cost to the consumer due to the Alliance's hopes that this format will take off. How much money would it cost to install a plugin? ... and no you wouldn't necessarily need to go to every computer and install it as you might think.
You do realize that Microsoft's newest format will be based on XML right? So, if they upgrade to the newest version of office, will they be equally as stupid for wanting to go with ODF?
"The Mass IT people should let the software producer decide what the best format is, as its their software and they know it best."
WRONG! First of all, should we really rely on Microsoft to decide what the best format for OUR needs are? Typically the best format for your data is the format that isn't tied to any specific product. This might not always be an option, but in a format for documents, this is an option.
"You see this in IT all the time - particularly among those who are trying to make themselves appear important."
No person in IT would make a radical decision that will affect their job and the ease of doing their job just to appear important.
"Its going to cost Mass millions, and for little to no benefit."
Not necessarily. The ODF Alliance (I believe its them) is currently working on a plug-in that will work with Office to work with ODF documents. I would also suspect that this plugin will be of little or no cost to the consumer due to the Alliance's hopes that this format will take off. How much money would it cost to install a plugin? ... and no you wouldn't necessarily need to go to every computer and install it as you might think.
"Critics, meanwhile, have called it a biased decision, unfairly favoring open-source products to the exclusion of Microsoft."
WHAT? The whole point of open standards is that anyone can use them, so there is no bias to one particular vendor, open-source or otherwise. If you can't understand that, why on earth did they let you write this article?
"Critics, meanwhile, have called it a biased decision, unfairly favoring open-source products to the exclusion of Microsoft."
WHAT? The whole point of open standards is that anyone can use them, so there is no bias to one particular vendor, open-source or otherwise. If you can't understand that, why on earth did they let you write this article?
"Critics, meanwhile, have called it a biased decision, unfairly favoring open-source products to the exclusion of Microsoft.
[http://...|http://...]
Microsoft has said it will not build support for OpenDocument into Office 2007, citing lack of demand."
Who's dumber, the critics or Microsoft?
Go ahead, go home with your ball, Microsoft...
Don't worry, we can make our own.
fpg
"Critics, meanwhile, have called it a biased decision, unfairly favoring open-source products to the exclusion of Microsoft.
[http://...|http://...]
Microsoft has said it will not build support for OpenDocument into Office 2007, citing lack of demand."
Who's dumber, the critics or Microsoft?
Go ahead, go home with your ball, Microsoft...
Don't worry, we can make our own.
fpg
[http://...|http://...]
Microsoft has said it will not build support for OpenDocument into Office 2007, citing lack of demand."
Q: Who is excluding Microsoft?
A: Microsoft.
Q: Who are the critics?
A: Idiots, every last one of them.
End Of Story.
fpg
[http://...|http://...]
Microsoft has said it will not build support for OpenDocument into Office 2007, citing lack of demand."
Q: Who is excluding Microsoft?
A: Microsoft.
Q: Who are the critics?
A: Idiots, every last one of them.
End Of Story.
fpg
Microsoft is welcome top play along with everyone else, but instead they're being spoiled little brats, throwing a tantrum & kicking the family pet. Real adult, MS.
Microsoft is welcome top play along with everyone else, but instead they're being spoiled little brats, throwing a tantrum & kicking the family pet. Real adult, MS.
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The report is a first step toward looking at the issue rationally, rather than in terms of a philosophical war between Microsoft and the open source movement.
Just like TCP/IP, and open standard quickly attracts supporters and programs that support it.
In a few months, OpenDocument may have more disability accessible programs than any proprietary product for the simple treason that there is choice.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/st02/st02612.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/st02/st02612.htm</a>
The report is a first step toward looking at the issue rationally, rather than in terms of a philosophical war between Microsoft and the open source movement.
Just like TCP/IP, and open standard quickly attracts supporters and programs that support it.
In a few months, OpenDocument may have more disability accessible programs than any proprietary product for the simple treason that there is choice.
much invested into Microsoft stock!!
It's time to break the chains of proprietary file formats enforced by
a single vendor and return the market to a competitive one.
On investment in Microsoft. Well you have a point many people have HUGE investments in MS. Be it good or be it bad it exist and is widely adopted. If you currently have millions tied up in MS Office simply dumping the product in favor of a standard isn't good business sense. And since we are talking tax dollars in this case most taxpayers aren't going to be real happy that all that money has been wasted and more will be wasted in an effort to be on an open standard that few people have ever heard of. What we have hear is a collision with standards vs common sense.
If MS Office is touted as the only disability friendly Office, then there is no reason not to use OpenDocument, since MS is now funding a project to support OpenDocument from within Office.
GO MASSACHUSETTS! You guys did the right thing! Go OpenDocument!
If MS Office is touted as the only disability friendly Office, then there is no reason not to use OpenDocument, since MS is now funding a project to support OpenDocument from within Office.
GO MASSACHUSETTS! You guys did the right thing! Go OpenDocument!
A. Let the software vender decide the format,
B. MA is going to waste millions of tax payer dollars to support this,
C. IT people are generally stupid,
D. A CIO who wants an open document format that isn't tied to a proprietary peice of software is an idiot and should be fired,
E. XML isn't a good format for document storage.
You know what I won't argue a one of those. Maybe they are valid and maybe they aren't.
Here's what I think...
The little picture says that...
A. It will cost MA and it's taxpayers a lot of money,
B. ODF isn't as robust as it will be,
C. It isn't a well supported format yet, but their are no well supported generic formats yet,
D. It isn't likely going to make much of a difference in the short term.
The big picture says that...
A. The format will someday be very robust and well supported.
B. It will save the taxpayers money when states and even users don't have to shell out $500 plus dollars to be compatible.
C. Eventually all office programs will support ODF which makes the office software front more competitive.
D. It will lead to better services that center around document exchange because they won't have to focus on supporting many different formats and it will help drive down the cost of development.
The fact is that in the long run have a standardized, non-proprietary, and open document format that's not controlled by the intrest of a single company is good for all. Maybe ODF isn't the right format or maybe it isn't far enough along to be considered a viable option, but as it gains support it will be. At the very least the idea is valid and I think MA is bold in making this move. I hope other states make the same move and I hope that ODF becomes the standard document format of the future.
A. Let the software vender decide the format,
B. MA is going to waste millions of tax payer dollars to support this,
C. IT people are generally stupid,
D. A CIO who wants an open document format that isn't tied to a proprietary peice of software is an idiot and should be fired,
E. XML isn't a good format for document storage.
You know what I won't argue a one of those. Maybe they are valid and maybe they aren't.
Here's what I think...
The little picture says that...
A. It will cost MA and it's taxpayers a lot of money,
B. ODF isn't as robust as it will be,
C. It isn't a well supported format yet, but their are no well supported generic formats yet,
D. It isn't likely going to make much of a difference in the short term.
The big picture says that...
A. The format will someday be very robust and well supported.
B. It will save the taxpayers money when states and even users don't have to shell out $500 plus dollars to be compatible.
C. Eventually all office programs will support ODF which makes the office software front more competitive.
D. It will lead to better services that center around document exchange because they won't have to focus on supporting many different formats and it will help drive down the cost of development.
The fact is that in the long run have a standardized, non-proprietary, and open document format that's not controlled by the intrest of a single company is good for all. Maybe ODF isn't the right format or maybe it isn't far enough along to be considered a viable option, but as it gains support it will be. At the very least the idea is valid and I think MA is bold in making this move. I hope other states make the same move and I hope that ODF becomes the standard document format of the future.
much invested into Microsoft stock!!
It's time to break the chains of proprietary file formats enforced by
a single vendor and return the market to a competitive one.
On investment in Microsoft. Well you have a point many people have HUGE investments in MS. Be it good or be it bad it exist and is widely adopted. If you currently have millions tied up in MS Office simply dumping the product in favor of a standard isn't good business sense. And since we are talking tax dollars in this case most taxpayers aren't going to be real happy that all that money has been wasted and more will be wasted in an effort to be on an open standard that few people have ever heard of. What we have hear is a collision with standards vs common sense.