After years of cranking out hit iPod models, has Apple Computer hit a wall?
The company hasn't had a significant update to its product line this year, with the only change being the addition of a smaller-capacity 1GB iPod Nano in February.
"It's possible that we're at a point where the path to taking the next step is less clear and less straightforward, even for a company with the technology expertise and creativity of Apple," said IDC analyst Susan Kevorkian.
Other reasons could explain the radio silence out of Cupertino, Calif., Kevorkian said, including the fact that Apple has decided to phase out the PortalPlayer processor from its next-generation Nano and reports that the company has faced design challenges with the successor to its video iPod.
Whatever the reasons, the competition is moving forward. Microsoft has said it will have its first Zune-branded device--a hard drive-based player with built-in Wi-Fi--in time for the holidays. SanDisk this week announced an 8GB version of its Sansa player, offering a device with more storage than the Nano or any of its major flash memory-based rivals. And the cell phone industry, which has struggled to find a music-playing hit, may have finally produced a bona fide contender with LG's Chocolate.
But few expect Apple is resting on its laurels.
"I'm convinced they aren't just sitting there," said Gartner analyst Michael McGuire. Apple declined to comment on where it is headed, as is its custom. Such silence, McGuire said, makes it hard to know where Apple is headed.
While it's hard to predict with certainty what will show up in Apple's next digital music players, any number of features could be added, analysts say. One possibility, Kevorkian said, is digital radio. So-called HD Radio offers digital content but, unlike satellite radio, is freely available without a subscription. Plus, one of the things that has prevented the technology from becoming widespread is the lack of support from hardware devices. "HD Radio is a technology that could make a lot of sense in the context of iPod," she said.
Apple has also given some indications that it may be trying to find new ways of melding the iPod with the cell phone.
During the company's most recent conference call, Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer said that today's cell phones don't make the best music players. "But over time, that is likely to change," he said. "And we're not sitting around doing nothing."
'Imagination is the limit' The cell phone market is important, analysts say, noting that some consumers may opt to carry only one device, while others will make use of their cell phone for listening to music, even while carrying an iPod or other player on other occasions.
"You have a class of device that has a very powerful media processor with a lot of memory, it's almost like having a PC in your hand," Francis Lee, president and CEO of touchpad maker Synaptics, said in a recent interview with CNET News.com. "What kinds of things can you do with those devices? Your imagination is the limit," he said.
Lee, whose company's technology has been used in the iPod's scroll wheel, declined to comment specifically on what might be next for the iPod, but he said that broadly speaking, music remains one of the most important applications for future handheld devices.
In any case, Kevorkian said that Apple may have missed an opportunity to follow up on its successes of last year, which included the Nano and video iPod. "Apple had so much momentum coming out of 2005," she said. "That was momentum they could have banked on by introducing new products in the first half of 2006." (It should be noted, of course, that Apple could conceivably introduce a new model before the holiday shopping season.)
This is, relatively speaking, a techie site. Techies like complicated devices that end users have trouble understanding. Anything difficult to use increases their social standing and self worth.
Apple produces products that are easy to use with minimal tech support required. Techies hate that, so they're not at all pleased with Apple. The better Apple does for itself and its customers, the more negative articles cnet and others will write. It's been that way since the first Macs rolled off the assembly line.
Feel good news doesn't cut it. You don't find any media outlet with stories about good things because it doesn't sell. Who wants to hear about the success of a product that is still going with no changes, or would it be more interesting to call it a stagnant product line failing to produce new products or keep up with progress? Both are true, but only one will sell papers.
It's not CNET- it's the media in general. Puppies don't sell news unless someone is beating them.
Perfection in devices: The device meets the user's every want/need. (My own defination of course)
But wants and needs change. So what is perfect, for you, now may not be perfect tomorrow.
Some of the items mentioned in teh article were HD radio and WIFI. Those sound like a very good addition to any mp3 players. If at least one of the items mention in the article, like WIFI, were added to mp3 players but not to the iPod then the iPod would not longer be perfect (JMH0).
The telephone is a good example. A device that allowed you to call anyone you wanted and have a converstation. Perfect! Wait, party lines - no longer perfect. Ok everyone has their own line, perfect again! Wait, I need an operator's help to make some calls. Ok that has been removed, perfect again! Wait......
It's a given that some other company will produce a product that captures the eyes of consumers like the iPod. The 2 advantages that Apple really has is the iTunes store and is the fashion factor of the iPod. People like the look and feel of the products made by Apple. Sure, other portable players have more features and may cost less, but they're just not as cool to the average user. And they don't have the name recognition.
But this company knows how to innovate and takes risk unlike others that only follows whatever is popular (i.e. MS)). What other company would kill their BEST SELLING player (iPod mini) completely, for a new not yet tested with the public player (Nano)?
I thought the Walkman lost because Sony backed totally the WRONG future technology. They chose minidisks which were ok but were really just souped up floppy disks. If Sony had got in with a good HD player at the start chances are the Walkman would still be on top.
You find me any other company that makes an iTunes- compatible combination MP3/MP4/M4A/M4B/M4P/M4V/QT/ AIFF/ALC/WAV player / contact manager / calendar / video game / bootable external hard drive with thousands of accessories available, then well talk.
Its a shame that you would be interested in getting something as ugly and overpriced as an iRiver clix. While it admittedly comes with some features dont come with the iPod (like an FM tuner, which is only available separately), it foregoes some REALLY important ones (i.e. bootable hard drive, iTunes compatibility) without even giving you the ABILITY to add them. Furthermore, it ties you into the M$ PlaysForSure monopoly instead of letting you use whatever system you darned well please.
Youre certainly entitled to your opinion, but if I ever get a portable MP3 player, I expect itll be built into an iPod.
This is a strange article. Going after Apple for not making design changes when holiday iPod updates are very likely just around the corner? You know, patience is a virtue.
Even casual observers would have seen various rumors about the next gen Nano, which is expected to bring back the aluminum exterior from the iPod mini and double the capacity to 8 GB. Expect a product announcement mid-September.
This article was written in the short window after SanDisk updated its line and before Apple updated theirs. That's all.
All talk of Zune is just talk until a product actually shows up. Compare that to what Apple offers at the time, not what Apple offers now.
I sure would like to. At least I can offer real information, intriguing subjects ... you know, something of substance. My Moms National Enquirer has a tendency to do a better job.
Its seven months from February. NOT ALMOST A YEAR. Its not out-date and old. Apple has never sat on its laurels. Holiday Season is coming. You know, the time when people WANT to buy new things.
.... CNET quit hiriing writers that can be so damn obtuse. If you get a garbage article ... DON'T PRINT IT.
AT LEAST OFFER TO HIRE QUALIFIED PEOPLE .. I WILL DO IT !
FUD - Most recent iPods introduced LESS than a year ago
There is still time to introduce new models (as the article correctly says). The iPod Nano and iPod with Video were not introduced at last years WWDC. They were introduced later. The iPod with video wasn't released until Oct. 12th!. This article is written a few weeks/months too early...
If yes, then Apple needs to constantly be doing new and different to retain the audience.
If no, then Apple needs only to incrementally improve because the iPod faithful has invested a lot in the non-transferrable content (to say nothing of the pricey players themselves).
Hopefully the future is convergence so that I can carry fewer devices. And design meets utilitarian. My iPod is beautiful, but it scratches easy. I've never dropped my iPod. My LG phone gets dropped all the time (or thrown by my two-year-old) and it's barely scuffed at all.
As an aside, I'm confused... I thought that c|net was anti-Microsoft (or anti-philanthropy after last week's stupid Onion-reprint) but everyone on here seems to think they're anti-Apple. Perhaps c|net is just cranky and anti-everyone?
Has iPod's hit parade stalled? No but Look Out Zune!
People who have iTunes and iPods will mainly stay with what they have unless Sansa and Chocolate offer them iTunes compatibility. As for ZUNE, these competitors only increase the chances ZUNE will fail unless Microsoft has really got its game on with Version 1.0. What are the chances of that?
The current iPods are only 10 MONTHS OLD! New iPods will be here before the holidays, but remember, last holiday season Apple sold 14 million iPods... They now have an obligation to meet and exceed those numbers this year... The only way to do this is to release the new models in the holiday quarter..
A little common sense is all it takes to understand this..
You guys at cnet dont think there is a cost rolling out a new product every 6 month? I mean if you would of wrote this in October then I would agree with you, but we will probably have a release estimate from apple by then and you would not have a story. Stop wining about more features, its clear that apple is doing just fine (you rarely se anything but an ipod here in NYC) If they want to take more time to refine their product thats ok with me I will wait for the next big thing from apple rather then jump on the band wagon of wannabes.
Sure having your music on a cell phone might be more convenient than carrying around two devices, but there are many other matters to take into account. The biggest one is the DRM issue. What can you do with your music? Carriers for cell phones seem to have major restrictions and each song is more than twice the price, than iPods. My understanding, is you can't even transfer the song to your computer. The carriers will offer to sell you another song file, albeit, more expensive that will let you transfer it.
It's all too confusing, restricting and expensive for the average consumer, so I predict iPods will continue to sell well.
Of course competitors are creating products of their own, it's a 10:1 ratio. I mean, everytime another device hits the market, it seems like there's an article that asks where's Apple' response device. If that were the case, there would have to be a new iPod every month! It's like that in the PC world too. Any innovation or price point by ONE of the companies like HP, Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Levano... ALL compared to an Apple product. I guess it's lonely at the top.
Rule 34: When your facts don't support (or even conflict) with your thesis, simply use a question mark after your misleading headline. This will work for both headline readers and article readers:
1.) Those who only the headline - the vast majority of readers - will ignore the questionmark, and take the innuendo as fact.
2. ) Those who read and find that your facts do not support your headline can be safely ignored. After all, the headline was a question, and not a statement. Therefore, you never REALLY said whatever it was, anyway.
When Apple release a new iPod people complain "i just bought a new one, why do they have to bring out a new one so soon", Apple waits a year between iPods, people complain "why haven't they updated the iPod yet" They can't win.
I-Pod= No Voice Record, In-Line Record, FM or Record, or WMA compatiblity!
I-Pod = No Voice Record, In-Line Record, FM or Record, or WMA compatiblity! + user replaceable recargeable battery, and DRM compatibility with others providers, not only just I-Tunes.
Until the above are added as many others have, the Apple I-POD will not be the most popular & be on the decline.
Even without all those features, iPod has been in first place for several years. Thought I'd fill you in just in case you arrived back on the planet recently.
well duh it doesn't have WMA. its apple! wma is microsoft!! they're basicly rivals and apple is not going to use microsof's format! that's why apple has aac
I think what most people want is just a simple device to play their songs. I have other devices to do recording. Why do I need voice recording? So I can say, "note to self--buy more toilet paper?" Why do I need FM? So I can listen to music I hate played by the radio stations? The whole purpose of buying these portable music players is so you can play the music that YOU like. What do I care if I can only use iTunes? Do the other services carry music that I want but aren't available on iTunes? Nope.
Yeah I am just dying for those features. I hate commercial with a passion, which is why I got my iPod. Why do I need a recorder if I am not in school anymore?
DRM compatible with other providers? Are they offering something different from iTunes (oh yeah rented songs, no thanks). If iTunes did not offer me everything I needed, then I would agree.
I never knew that the features I never needed were not available on the ipod. I better turn them in for a zune as soon as its on sale. No WMA compatibility. OMG
Gary from bartsystems, you are so right on this one. It doesnt have anything that distingueses it from the pack, so due to all of its hype, it gives cnet a right to bash it. For one i dont think that they like it too much and secondly it generarates hype for their site which gives them more hits and thus more money.
Did C|NET get a big load of cash from Microsoft & SanDisk, so the could PR Spin the iPod via FUD?
ALL of the other devices are clearly a cheap copy of the iPod as denoted by the "iPod Killer" tag lines that all of them use...big deal.
It's August people...Holiday season has not started before Labor Day. iPod & iTunes Moto Phone were introduced during the Holiday Season after the Sept.05 Apple Paris Expo.
Apple is silent because the are creating something new & big for the Holidays & they don't want some techno-rag like C|NOT to speculate & spread information or worse FUD like this article above.
Don't you make enough ad revenue from MS & SanDisk that you still need to run a verbal PR spin article & call it NEWS?
I'm still shocked that Apple hasn't built Bluetooth into their iPods. It would not take much to build a transmitter into the device, and it could give it more 'wow' factor. Plus, cords suck when you're at the gym.
do you have ANY idea how SLOW bluetooth is? imagine transferring hundreds of songs at 15 kbps.
why do you think bluetooth is only used for peripherals such as mice, keyboards, and phone synching/accessories? because it can't handle lots of data transfer.
i tried to transfer a song to my friend's computer with BT and it took about 5-10 minutes.
Ipods are finished the only thing they have going for them is the music store, most of my are using their phones now for their music like me, although I never bought an ipod anyway.
Ipods are finished the only thing they have going for them is the music store, most of my mates are using their phones now for their music like me, although I never bought an ipod anyway. Itunes is also crap and out of date.
Youve discovered what nobody else has been able to figure out: people dont want to buy an iTunes- compatible combination MP3/MP4/M4A/M4B/M4P/M4V/QT/ AIFF/ALC/WAV player / contact manager / calendar / video game / bootable external hard drive with thousands of accessories; they want to buy an MP3-playing telephone. Now if you could only share that information with the 98% of the population thats too stupid to know what they want, the world will be a nicer place.
While Ive got you, care to elaborate on your assessment of iTunes? I find it to be an extremely capable programespecially for the priceand really cant think of anything out-of-date about it.
When a companies cash cow is threatened, most companies reinvent it. That's why Steve jobs kept making a new kind of ipod, but he's pretty much hit all of them, so what's next to make?
Most people think it'll be a phone, something like verizon wireless' chocolate, which is an mp3 player with phone capabilities.
Since verizon beat them to the punch, what else new is there to make?
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least according to the pundits.
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Memes, i.e. word-of-mouth or "buzz", typically peaks one to two years before their effect shows up in measurable effects.
Notice how "JBuilder" peaked about two years before Borland's JBuilder sales collapsed.
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Whatevs. The memgraphs are useless.
-SD-
story...like this one. Nothing happened, so that's the story?!? Give it
a rest.
complicated devices that end users have trouble understanding.
Anything difficult to use increases their social standing and self
worth.
Apple produces products that are easy to use with minimal tech
support required. Techies hate that, so they're not at all pleased
with Apple. The better Apple does for itself and its customers,
the more negative articles cnet and others will write. It's been
that way since the first Macs rolled off the assembly line.
I don't see any sign of bias at all.
The Mp3 player market is approaching maturity.
The article just explores where the market leader is headed.
It's not CNET- it's the media in general. Puppies don't sell news unless someone is beating them.
perfect..?? And as always, c|net still seems intent on bashing
anything Apple..!
But wants and needs change. So what is perfect, for you, now may not be perfect tomorrow.
Some of the items mentioned in teh article were HD radio and WIFI. Those sound like a very good addition to any mp3 players. If at least one of the items mention in the article, like WIFI, were added to mp3 players but not to the iPod then the iPod would not longer be perfect (JMH0).
The telephone is a good example. A device that allowed you to call anyone you wanted and have a converstation. Perfect! Wait, party lines - no longer perfect. Ok everyone has their own line, perfect again! Wait, I need an operator's help to make some calls. Ok that has been removed, perfect again! Wait......
Sadly, perfection never lasts.
As the Sony Walkman demonstrates, past marketplace dominance is no guarantee of future marketplace dominance.
But this company knows how to innovate and takes risk unlike others that only follows whatever is popular (i.e. MS)). What other company would kill their BEST SELLING player (iPod mini) completely, for a new not yet tested with the public player (Nano)?
I'm gonna go get myself an iriver clix!
compatible combination MP3/MP4/M4A/M4B/M4P/M4V/QT/
AIFF/ALC/WAV player / contact manager / calendar / video
game / bootable external hard drive with thousands of
accessories available, then well talk.
Its a shame that you would be interested in getting something
as ugly and overpriced as an iRiver clix. While it admittedly
comes with some features dont come with the iPod (like an FM
tuner, which is only available separately), it foregoes some
REALLY important ones (i.e. bootable hard drive, iTunes
compatibility) without even giving you the ABILITY to add them.
Furthermore, it ties you into the M$ PlaysForSure monopoly
instead of letting you use whatever system you darned well
please.
Youre certainly entitled to your opinion, but if I ever get a
portable MP3 player, I expect itll be built into an iPod.
changes when holiday iPod updates are very likely just around the
corner? You know, patience is a virtue.
next gen Nano, which is expected to bring back the aluminum
exterior from the iPod mini and double the capacity to 8 GB.
Expect a product announcement mid-September.
This article was written in the short window after SanDisk
updated its line and before Apple updated theirs. That's all.
All talk of Zune is just talk until a product actually shows up.
Compare that to what Apple offers at the time, not what Apple
offers now.
Apple has a new line of iPods ready for rollout.
They will redefine the platform.
Wait and See.
intriguing subjects ... you know, something of substance. My
Moms National Enquirer has a tendency to do a better job.
Its seven months from February. NOT ALMOST A YEAR.
Its not out-date and old.
Apple has never sat on its laurels.
Holiday Season is coming. You know, the time when people
WANT to buy new things.
.... CNET quit hiriing writers that can be so damn obtuse. If you
get a garbage article ... DON'T PRINT IT.
AT LEAST OFFER TO HIRE QUALIFIED PEOPLE .. I WILL DO IT !
intriguing subjects ... you know, something of substance."
this is exactly why you _can't_ write for C|Net.
And most PC people love this stuff.
So relax.
If yes, then Apple needs to constantly be doing new and different to retain the audience.
If no, then Apple needs only to incrementally improve because the iPod faithful has invested a lot in the non-transferrable content (to say nothing of the pricey players themselves).
Hopefully the future is convergence so that I can carry fewer devices. And design meets utilitarian. My iPod is beautiful, but it scratches easy. I've never dropped my iPod. My LG phone gets dropped all the time (or thrown by my two-year-old) and it's barely scuffed at all.
As an aside, I'm confused... I thought that c|net was anti-Microsoft (or anti-philanthropy after last week's stupid Onion-reprint) but everyone on here seems to think they're anti-Apple. Perhaps c|net is just cranky and anti-everyone?
And most songs aren't even worth that.
With a subscription model, the user can get exposure to a massive quantity of songs, at a very low price-per-song.
enderg
The current iPods are only 10 MONTHS OLD! New iPods will be
here before the holidays, but remember, last holiday season Apple
sold 14 million iPods... They now have an obligation to meet and
exceed those numbers this year... The only way to do this is to
release the new models in the holiday quarter..
A little common sense is all it takes to understand this..
It's all too confusing, restricting and expensive for the average consumer, so I predict iPods will continue to sell well.
10:1 ratio.
I mean, everytime another device hits the market, it seems like
there's an article that asks where's Apple' response device. If that
were the case, there would have to be a new iPod every month!
It's like that in the PC world too. Any innovation or price point by
ONE of the companies like HP, Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Levano... ALL
compared to an Apple product.
I guess it's lonely at the top.
your thesis, simply use a question mark after your misleading
headline. This will work for both headline readers and article
readers:
1.) Those who only the headline - the vast majority of readers -
will ignore the questionmark, and take the innuendo as fact.
2. ) Those who read and find that your facts do not support your
headline can be safely ignored. After all, the headline was a
question, and not a statement. Therefore, you never REALLY said
whatever it was, anyway.
new one, why do they have to bring out a new one so soon", Apple
waits a year between iPods, people complain "why haven't they
updated the iPod yet" They can't win.
Until the above are added as many others have, the Apple I-POD will not be the most popular & be on the decline.
Gary - BartSystems
DRM compatible with other providers? Are they offering something different from iTunes (oh yeah rented songs, no thanks). If iTunes did not offer me everything I needed, then I would agree.
the ipod. I better turn them in for a zune as soon as its on sale. No
WMA compatibility. OMG
ALL of the other devices are clearly a cheap copy of the iPod as denoted by the "iPod Killer" tag lines that all of them use...big deal.
It's August people...Holiday season has not started before Labor Day.
iPod & iTunes Moto Phone were introduced during the Holiday Season after the Sept.05 Apple Paris Expo.
Apple is silent because the are creating something new & big for the Holidays & they don't want some techno-rag like C|NOT to speculate & spread information or worse FUD like this article above.
Don't you make enough ad revenue from MS & SanDisk that you still need to run a verbal PR spin article & call it NEWS?
headphones pair up with the device.
Bluetooth would be neat, but from Apple's minimalist stance it's an
additional cost for a feature not many people would understand
how to use.
I could see a bluetooth add on.
why do you think bluetooth is only used for peripherals such as mice, keyboards, and phone synching/accessories? because it can't handle lots of data transfer.
i tried to transfer a song to my friend's computer with BT and it took about 5-10 minutes.
else....
people dont want to buy an iTunes-
compatible combination MP3/MP4/M4A/M4B/M4P/M4V/QT/
AIFF/ALC/WAV player / contact manager / calendar / video
game / bootable external hard drive with thousands of
accessories; they want to buy an MP3-playing telephone. Now if
you could only share that information with the 98% of the
population thats too stupid to know what they want, the world
will be a nicer place.
While Ive got you, care to elaborate on your assessment of
iTunes? I find it to be an extremely capable programespecially
for the priceand really cant think of anything out-of-date
about it.
Cheers!
Most people think it'll be a phone, something like verizon wireless' chocolate, which is an mp3 player with phone capabilities.
Since verizon beat them to the punch, what else new is there to make?