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December 1, 2004 6:50 PM PST

Mozilla previews e-mail program

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Weeks after the successful launch of its Firefox browser, Mozilla has released an e-mail application in another salvo on Microsoft's home turf.

The Mozilla Foundation, an open-source development group founded by Netscape and spun off last year by Netscape's parent company, Time Warner, on Wednesday published a release candidate of its Thunderbird 1.0 e-mail management software.

The release candidate--a substantially complete version of the final product posted for last-minute testing on the eve of the official release--"is a big step forward for giving users a safe e-mail experience," said Scott MacGregor, Thunderbird's engineering lead. "We think users will enjoy our adaptive spam filters, in addition to new features like saved search folders and RSS (Really Simple Syndication) integration."

Thunderbird 1.0 will fly into a marketplace with no shortage of competition--both proprietary and open source.

Microsoft is a deeply entrenched leader in e-mail software. Its Outlook client application and Exchange back-end software rule the enterprise market. Its Outlook Express is a popular free end-user application. Its free Hotmail e-mail Web site, which boasts nearly 200 million accounts, has been a key driver of traffic to its revenue-producing MSN Web portal.

In addition, some consumers have migrated entirely to Web-based e-mail sites like Microsoft's Hotmail, Yahoo Mail and Google's Gmail. Those sites increasingly are trying to match the desktop applications' level of functionality. Toward this end, Yahoo in July acquired Oddpost.

Thunderbird offers some Exchange integration capabilities, and Mozilla said it has had some success with small businesses and universities. But Mozilla intends primarily to compete with the free, consumer-oriented Outlook Express.

If Thunderbird is to make any market inroads, analysts say, it will have to do what Mozilla's Firefox browser has succeeded in doing: capitalize on frustration with Microsoft's product.

"I don't know if the same dissatisfaction is there with Outlook, but we're looking at Outlook Express and we're seeing a lot of parallels with IE," MacGregor said. "There are the nuisances of the Web, spyware slowing down your experience, spammers clogging your inbox, viruses in attachments...We think Thunderbird can help."

Outlook Express has been implicated in numerous security scenarios, often the same ones affecting IE and Outlook. But considering the level of frustration with IE, which has gone years without a feature upgrade and whose recent security makeover is available only for users of Windows XP, Thunderbird may have a tough act to follow.

"The most widely used, good-enough e-mail choices are not great choices," said Peter O'Kelly, an analyst with the Burton Group. "They're not leading-edge in their capabilities, and there's no guarantee that the security is going to be where you want it. But when was the last time you got excited about an e-mail client? You probably don't wake up in the morning thinking, 'I need a better e-mail user experience.'"

Open-source e-mail projects include KMail, an application designed for use with Linux-based KDE (K Desktop Environment); Evolution, an application used with the Gnome environment, also Linux-based; and the nascent Chandler project at Mitch Kapor's Open Source Applications Foundation, which plans to develop an open-source application that ties in calendar, e-mail and other functions.

One open-source project--the OpenOffice productivity suite formerly known as StarOffice--dropped its e-mail reader years ago.

Proprietary, free, standalone e-mail applications include one distributed with Opera Software's advertising-supported browser (Opera also sells an ad-free version); another distributed with Apple Computer's operating system; Qualcomm's free, ad-supported Eudora application (Qualcomm, too, sells an ad-free version); and Microsoft's Outlook Express.

Whatever its reception in the market, the official release of Thunderbird 1.0 scheduled for Dec. 7 will mark a significant milestone for a product that has long soldiered on in the shadow of its more famous browser sibling.

Thunderbird's ancestor, Netscape Messenger, came bundled with the Navigator browser and other applications in the Communicator software suite since its first versions in the mid-1990s. In 1998, Netscape established Mozilla and put both the browser and the mail application into open-source development. At Mozilla, the application was known simply as Mozilla Mail.

Nearly two years ago, when Mozilla decided to trim the browser down to size with the Firefox project, it decided to give Mozilla Mail a makeover as well. That makeover became Thunderbird.

Thunderbird offers a laundry list of features commonly available in e-mail applications, including support for the IMAP, LDAP and POP mail protocols and HTML mail; message labels, search, and an address book; return receipts, message filtering, import functions, and a tool for managing multiple e-mail and newsgroup accounts.

In addition, Mozilla hosts several dozen extensions to the application that perform tasks like changing the appearance of buttons, changing a sender's identifying information for single messages and compacting folders.

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not this baby
by nrlz December 2, 2004 12:00 AM PST
Equating Thunderbird with Firefox is wrong. Firefox may be hype but it does have at least some substance in it. Thunderbird is far from finished. And frankly I don't think it ever will, because Gecko wasn't designed to support the functionality that an email client requires. XUL is not scalable for large numbers of objects and Gecko doesn't have a powerful enough storage mechanism for large quantities of data.
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Really
by Gerald Quaglia December 2, 2004 1:10 AM PST
I use Thunderbird and like it much better then Outlook 2003. Its spam filter is excellent and much better then Outlook. I still like Outlooks calendar and contacts and still use them.
What can it handle?
by David Arbogast December 2, 2004 11:48 AM PST
You suggest that the technology is not robust enough to handle large amounts of records...?

How do you suppose it would handle 2+ GB of email, contacts, and calendar appts. exported from Outlook?
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not this baby
by nrlz December 2, 2004 12:00 AM PST
Equating Thunderbird with Firefox is wrong. Firefox may be hype but it does have at least some substance in it. Thunderbird is far from finished. And frankly I don't think it ever will, because Gecko wasn't designed to support the functionality that an email client requires. XUL is not scalable for large numbers of objects and Gecko doesn't have a powerful enough storage mechanism for large quantities of data.
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Really
by Gerald Quaglia December 2, 2004 1:10 AM PST
I use Thunderbird and like it much better then Outlook 2003. Its spam filter is excellent and much better then Outlook. I still like Outlooks calendar and contacts and still use them.
What can it handle?
by David Arbogast December 2, 2004 11:48 AM PST
You suggest that the technology is not robust enough to handle large amounts of records...?

How do you suppose it would handle 2+ GB of email, contacts, and calendar appts. exported from Outlook?
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Try it and avoid LookOut hidden stuff
by December 2, 2004 12:12 AM PST
Well, I'll not say it's this it's that. I'll just ask you to have a look here http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&q=outlook+express+issues&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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Try it and avoid LookOut hidden stuff
by December 2, 2004 12:12 AM PST
Well, I'll not say it's this it's that. I'll just ask you to have a look here http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&q=outlook+express+issues&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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Thunderbird rox for me, but not for everyone
by December 2, 2004 7:18 AM PST
I love Thunderbird, the Junk Mail filter is great, but Outlook has way more features...

Personally I think this is a silly comparison, I may be wrong but I don't think the Mozilla folks give a damn if they topple Outlook or not.
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Thunderbird rox for me, but not for everyone
by December 2, 2004 7:18 AM PST
I love Thunderbird, the Junk Mail filter is great, but Outlook has way more features...

Personally I think this is a silly comparison, I may be wrong but I don't think the Mozilla folks give a damn if they topple Outlook or not.
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Evolution more than an email client
by December 2, 2004 8:22 AM PST
Just want to point out that Evolution includes a very sophisticated calendar and task manager and group calendar can be easily integrated with an Exchange Server. Evo is faster and more sophisticated than Outlook and 2.0 includes a junk filter similar to Thunderbird's. The EVo filter is capturing about a third of the junk the server filter misses. I can send multiple VCards with Evo; with Outlook I am restricted to a single file. Evo doesn't integrate easily with Open Office, but Outlook's integration with Office is not something I ever had occasion to use.

I do 90% of my work on a Linix desktop, but when I have to switch to Windows for some reason - usually to view an Acrobat 6 file or print an Excel file with elaborate formatting - I much prefer Thunderbird to Outlook Express. Any deficiencies in the Gecko engine are not apparent to me.
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Evolution more than an email client
by December 2, 2004 8:22 AM PST
Just want to point out that Evolution includes a very sophisticated calendar and task manager and group calendar can be easily integrated with an Exchange Server. Evo is faster and more sophisticated than Outlook and 2.0 includes a junk filter similar to Thunderbird's. The EVo filter is capturing about a third of the junk the server filter misses. I can send multiple VCards with Evo; with Outlook I am restricted to a single file. Evo doesn't integrate easily with Open Office, but Outlook's integration with Office is not something I ever had occasion to use.

I do 90% of my work on a Linix desktop, but when I have to switch to Windows for some reason - usually to view an Acrobat 6 file or print an Excel file with elaborate formatting - I much prefer Thunderbird to Outlook Express. Any deficiencies in the Gecko engine are not apparent to me.
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Beware w/Norton
by bjglavin December 2, 2004 8:39 AM PST
I was trying Thunderbird out as a secondary client and it was nice for simple mail retrieval - until I discovered it doesn't play nice with Norton (CE at least) and my whole inbox was trashed when Norton tried to quarantine a worm. There is a long thread on BugZilla regarding this, it seems to be unresolved.
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Beware w/Norton
by bjglavin December 2, 2004 8:39 AM PST
I was trying Thunderbird out as a secondary client and it was nice for simple mail retrieval - until I discovered it doesn't play nice with Norton (CE at least) and my whole inbox was trashed when Norton tried to quarantine a worm. There is a long thread on BugZilla regarding this, it seems to be unresolved.
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Wrong angle
by December 2, 2004 9:50 AM PST
From the article:

"If Thunderbird is to make any market inroads, analysts say, it will have to do what Mozilla's Firefox browser has succeeded in doing: capitalize on frustration with Microsoft's product."

The author is interpreting this subject through the wrong filter. Mozilla is a non-profit open source organization. Their goal, their reason for existence, is to make great software available to the public for free. They have no "market" to conquer, and no "capitalizing" to do. Their predictions of displacing the market participants are merely addressing what is essentially a side effect of their primary goal.

Many businesspeople still don't seem to grok what the open source movement is about, and where its place is in the scheme of things. But "consumers" get it quite well. Hint: In the coming decades, open source will almost completely supplant not just proprietary software, but the software "market" itself. It's past time for MBAs and economists to start thinking more about economies which aren't based on the old profit motivations.
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Wrong angle
by December 2, 2004 9:50 AM PST
From the article:

"If Thunderbird is to make any market inroads, analysts say, it will have to do what Mozilla's Firefox browser has succeeded in doing: capitalize on frustration with Microsoft's product."

The author is interpreting this subject through the wrong filter. Mozilla is a non-profit open source organization. Their goal, their reason for existence, is to make great software available to the public for free. They have no "market" to conquer, and no "capitalizing" to do. Their predictions of displacing the market participants are merely addressing what is essentially a side effect of their primary goal.

Many businesspeople still don't seem to grok what the open source movement is about, and where its place is in the scheme of things. But "consumers" get it quite well. Hint: In the coming decades, open source will almost completely supplant not just proprietary software, but the software "market" itself. It's past time for MBAs and economists to start thinking more about economies which aren't based on the old profit motivations.
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One problem is...
by December 2, 2004 9:51 AM PST
The one problem I have with Thunderbird is that while it will import your messages and folders from Outlook 2003 it does not important you e-mail accounts and settings. I have 23 e-mail accounts to deal with various things for my web sites. I would love to switch to Thunderbird but I won't because I don't want to have to setup all 23 accounts again.

Thunderbird needs to be able to import this stuff. Until then they can keep it.

Robert
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One problem is...
by December 2, 2004 9:51 AM PST
The one problem I have with Thunderbird is that while it will import your messages and folders from Outlook 2003 it does not important you e-mail accounts and settings. I have 23 e-mail accounts to deal with various things for my web sites. I would love to switch to Thunderbird but I won't because I don't want to have to setup all 23 accounts again.

Thunderbird needs to be able to import this stuff. Until then they can keep it.

Robert
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Thunderbird and IMAP
by December 2, 2004 11:46 AM PST
I find Thunderbird's IMAP capabilities to be much superior to Outlook Express. Outlook Express tried to create all sorts of new folders in my UW IMAP install. I enjoy using Thunderbird in both Windows and Linux - not many clients have BOTH operatings systems.
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Thunderbird and IMAP
by December 2, 2004 11:46 AM PST
I find Thunderbird's IMAP capabilities to be much superior to Outlook Express. Outlook Express tried to create all sorts of new folders in my UW IMAP install. I enjoy using Thunderbird in both Windows and Linux - not many clients have BOTH operatings systems.
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I like it a lot
by JLP December 2, 2004 12:16 PM PST
I like Thunderbird a lot. Looks great and works great. At first I liked it because of quicksearch function but I quickly discovered other nice features. I also use RSS a lot for reading news sites and blogs. It's almost perfect.
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I like it a lot
by JLP December 2, 2004 12:16 PM PST
I like Thunderbird a lot. Looks great and works great. At first I liked it because of quicksearch function but I quickly discovered other nice features. I also use RSS a lot for reading news sites and blogs. It's almost perfect.
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Thunderbird
by rusty2003 December 2, 2004 2:13 PM PST
I like it a lot.
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Thunderbird
by rusty2003 December 2, 2004 2:13 PM PST
I like it a lot.
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