EU cautioned on any Microsoft break-up

Although frustrated by what it says is Microsoft's noncompliance, EU is warned that a "structural remedy" might not fix problem.

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[asdf]

break them up yesterday

Microsoft has destroyed billions in market value over the years by breaking the law. That billions is not present in the economy, in the tax base, in charitable giving by people who otherwise would have had money, in services, in market choice. Those billions in turn would have gone on to create even more economic activity with even MORE money and innovation and revenue and taxes. It's all not there because Microsoft systematically broke the law for decades without consequence. I don't care how well know or well meaning most of the individuals in the company are- this is criminal enterprise that continues to believe that its corporate self is above human law. It was time to give this Frankenstenian monster the death penalty a long time ago. No humans will be harmed.

Even if Gates gave away every penny of his 50 billion tomorrow, it still wouldn't compare to the years of tax revenue and charitable giving that did not happen because Microsoft was permitted to act as they did. No one company has anywhere near the effect on the economy for increasing wealth as decades of vibrant, free and innovative creation on the part of the economy as a whole.

Microsoft is a wealth concentration and reduction machine. While it destroys market value and economic activity, it make Gates very rich. Gates breaks a little bit of his wealth off to poorer nations in exchange for the perception that he is morally concerned. The main purpose is control- he want public sympathy for his company and he wants political power.

This is a pathological personality and a sociopathic company. Break them up. Yesterday.

[hybris06]

you don't know what you are talking about

Ya, because tax revenue is always spent efficiently.

For being such a liberal loon I am surprised you want more revenue in taxes, money which could be spent on the war on terror.

If Microsoft is a monopoly then it will be more efficient and generate more tax revenue, basic econ 101. Remember, taxes are paid on profits. If Microsoft had a perfect competitor, it would lower its prices dramatically and hence lower its tax burden.

[Commander_Spock]

What Have You Been Drinking Or Smoking!

>>>"break them" what "up"? works-that-are-still-in-process. The Commander and Crews would have preferred to fly via the CONCORDE if it was still flying as we would be more certain it would have gotten us where we wanted to go without "crashing". Hey dude, try making a shorter comment the next time as some folks in a certain U.S town need some urgent assistance following that tornado hit and they would need not only WINDOWS; but, doors and an entire houses with all the furnishings as well!

[a85]

Don't agree entirely

Maybe MS should be broken up to foster competition, but what about Google dominating search? I want to hear someone call for Google to be broken up because they have a search monopoly. That would be gold!

I don't agree with you about Bill Gates though. Whatever you think about MS, credit where credit is due - Gates is and has given away billions to help the poorest people in the world. I think that that is worthy of praise, even if MS's business practices are not.

[DemiHampster]

Technology Dark Age

I couldn't agree more. In addition to the monetary damage
sustained we are probably about 15 to 20 years behind where
we could be from a technology stand point. With a loss of
progress due to inferior technology and bad standards being
constanty forced on the market.

[t8]

Well said

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[suyts]

Today

you have a choice. You have several choices. OS's, office apps, web browsers, databases, messaging, e-mail, development tools, ect.... the fact of the matter is, no one does it better than MS. They haven't taken anything away, there is a positive market value for what they have provided. Will they be here in the next decade? I'm not sure. I do know that if the EU tries to dictate to a fine, achieving, EU can't compete, U.S. company there will be hell to pay.

[flybyte]

Are you a Star Trek fan?

Or, are you really living in an alternate universe where some variant of *nix rules the desktop? And every vendor out there supports the 40 something variants. Which, by the way, makes a great busines model (puke). People, get real, the only reason we are as far as we are is because Microsoft brought the Windows platform to the desktop. A workable (not saying the best) platform developers could create applications for and make a profit on. Remember people, we live in a capitalistic society unlike the the mob the EU tries to protect. Makes me sick that a government is stooping so low as to try and compete by litigation. I expect this from other struggling businesses, but not a legitimate government. I guess that says something about the EU.

[Kwasiowusu]

break them up yesterday

asdf : "break them up yesterday "

Why don't you break up your own block head instead, dude? There is always a concrete wall to hit your head against.
I am sure the world would be a better place for that.

[Commander_Spock]

"European Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes,...

... frustrated by what she sees as Microsoft's defiance of the law, recently raised the question of whether the U.S. software giant should be broken up..." The big question is: break what up? How on earth are you going to break something up that you (the EU) seem not have sufficient knowledge as to how the distro works or was put together. History is a great teacher and this is a glimpse of history as to how some parts of the Microsoft distros were developed:

http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/OS2History.html

Let "history" and the market forces be the JUDGES (and, not the European Commission)!

[webdev511]

They said "fix your distribution"...

MS offered a remedy and the EU said "No, not like that..." to which MS asked "Tell us *** you want us to do, and free is not an option."

There's a difference between opening your system to competition and dropping api licensing fees to subsidizing the competition.

The only real solution to this problem is that the fee be higher than the EU wants and lower than MS is comfortable with. If neither one is happy, then the price is probably right.

[ralfthedog]

A better solution.

Just limit the number of units sold in the EU. The only problem I see with that solution (from the U.S. prospective) is that the EU would get a competitive advantage over us in that they would be moving more of there companies to use better software.

[Renegade Knight]

The Tide is Turning

Microsoft is ready to crumble like a house of cards. It's just going to take the right competitor to come along. Their own business practices have made it possible.

If they were a big company that cared about it's customers and acted like it, maybe they would have some loyalty.

[KTLA_knew]

1997?

Funny, that's the exact same post that's put up here at ZD/Cnet year after year, for over a decade now.

And they all say "but NOW is different than before! Really!".

Good times...

[RompStar_420]

yep

All my friends, and we are talking about educated people with BS
and MS degrees hate MS. I used to work there for almost 3
years. They treat people very badly, they don't have any sort or
respect and their turn over rate within the first year is about
50-60% (college educated people), not high school educated
people, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Vendors get the boot, v-dash trash and even the 6 blue badge
employees I know hate MS after they leave their work too, but
you can't show that or say it while at work. Now they are going
cheap with all that H1B Visa stuff, it's not doing well.

When a billion dollar company slashes their Mail Department
budget by 30%, what does that tell you ?

Why would anyone do that, why would a billion dollar company
do that, something is not right, I fear Enron like behavior. Who
is buying this Vista, all my friends hate it, unless MS is forcing
EOMs to buy the volume license or loose it.

Just my two cents, I would never work for MS, F@#$@#$, life is
too short to put up with BS on the daily.

[Commander_Spock]

Does...

... anyone know if the "Knighted" Bill (or was the frustrated European Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes, also) was at U.S State Dinner for Her Majesty last evening? Someone seem to be so frustrated this CNET NEWS article coming soon after HRH's dining with GW. Was it "French wine" (for the toast) or what?

[redbear.sam]

Um, I'm pretty sure Europe owes m$ more than m$ owes it...

Lets be honest, the EU is completely unconcerened with all the European piracy of M$ products.

Before they (or as I'm British, we) start fining M$ billions perhaps we should consider how much Europe steals from them each year. If Europe and Microsoft settled, M$ giving up the patents on all their IP (which the EU is effectively demanding control over the pricing of for the benefit of European companies), but the EU paid up all the money from pirated windows, office, games, etc. in European piracy, Microsft wouldn't be complaining.

[Renegade Knight]

Only if the EU Itself Pirates.

Unless EU Governments are in the business of Piracy, they owe MS nothing more than they have paid for MS products already.

[t8]

Microsoft created pirating

Because they have this illegal monopoly of which they can charge a much higher price for their OS, it creates piracy.

If there was true competition the price would be right and there would be less piracy.

Right now, Windows can cost as much as 50% of a new PC. That is down right criminal.

[MSSlayer]

The ironic thing

Is that if MS was broken up in 2000, the two pieces would be more efficient and probably produce better products.

Instead we have an irrelevant behemoth that only maintains it position through unethical and illegal tactics and couldn't produce a good product if their collective lives depended on it.

[suyts]

I'm fine,

thank you. I really don't need someone else helping me choose my OS. I've used UNIX, LINUX, Apple (the first program I wrote was on an Apple) and MS. They all have role. If a company comes up with a better solution, then I'll hop. I do not need a government to tell me what I need to have. Especially, a half a** governmental bureaucracy that represents (Please note that I do not believe that the majority of the European people are reflected here but only a select few.)a people that can't or won't do for themselves but would rather suckle on people that have done and do.

[unknown unknown]

Break up

Aside from stopping the sale of MS products in the EU until they split, how would they break up a company who headquarters is in the U.S.

Of course if they did stop Microsoft products from selling one would have to wonder about the cost to end-users. For business the prospect of eventually moving to another OS is costly.

[Orion Blastar]

Don't break MS up

instead force Microsoft to release all undocumented API calls from XP down to 95. That way competitors can create their own version of Windows 95, 98, NT 4.0, ME, 2000, XP and Microsoft can keep selling Windows Vista and Windows 2003 Server and phase out control of the older versions to competitors. Maybe allow some open source Windows alternatives to take place.

[MSSlayer]

it takes more then API documentation to create an OS version

API calls should all be public. Which is the point of an API. A lot more needs to be made public for that to happen.

Can you create a JVM with only the Java API?

XP is junk, NT is junk, ME is junk, 2000 is junk, 98 is junk, 95 is junk. Who would want to create their own version of junk.

Oh yeah, vista and 2003 are junk as well.

A broken up MS would be a more responsive and efficient MS. Can you honestly say that phone service was better before the breakup?

[Mr Tfly]

Whatever

http://www.allaboutyouyouyou.com

[suyts]

Please quit

trying to poison the minds of the young people.

[sfm241]

Breaking up Microsoft

Okay, why would you break-up MS in the first place? Restriction of competition? One word: Apple. Every time you buy an Apple, you have to buy everything else with it, stuff that is pretty much made only by apple (I don't mean USB stuff. I mean monitors and such).

[t8]

Microsoft is the worst company for breaking the law

Microsoft is the worst company in the history of the world for breaking the law.

Instead of innovating, they prefer to break the law to keep their position. Law breakers whether they are huge companies or a single person should face punishment.

If the law means nothing, then we no longer have a civil society.

[bob blob]

yes, forget Enron or Standard Oil

you know...the companies that actually got busted for breaking the law

[zackinma]

i agree

The EU should do more to prevent the theft of MS's product.

The EU also should drop the break-up idea because they have no jurisdiction over an American company.

Else we should break up the European drug companies that are over charging Americans for their prescription drugs. Companies like Bayer for example, who hold the patent and exclusive rights to make the immunization & antidote to anthrax. Isn?t allowing such a patent to continue a violation of our own National Security? Should it be allowed that the American Military be made to rely on foreign drug companies for it?s immunizations for our troops?

Fact: Microsoft has done more to bring the computer and all its benefits into the modern home and business then any other company in existence.

All you linux freaks can try to convince us otherwise, but the simple fact is the average home user, business user and even the advanced users aren?t knowledgeable enough to effectively use any form of linux.
Mac fans may have some ground to stand on, but until you allow your OS to run on independent hardware platforms you will forever be relegated that less then 5% share of the pc market. Not to mention Mac is a good 20 years behind Microsoft on the server side of the market.

[Commander_Spock]

Perhaps...

... the U. S. Department of Homeland Security should help to start up another U. S. based company like GOOGLE and at the week-end parties excluded from the menu of free food and transportation... will be French Wines, French Fries... in retaliation for standing on the side-lines while American sons and daughters put their lives on the line for the rest of the world. How come since the end of WW2 the entire EU computing industry cannot stand up to a certain U.S based computer company in this "ethanol" age. Take a look at that South American giant--Brazil; with limited fossil fuel production they can now boast of an 85% ethanol/15% fossil fuel economy. This is what competition is all about -- finding alternatives (like OS/2, LINUX, SAMBA...)to your country's computing industry problems.

[suyts]

Screw them

I believe it is time for the U.S. to start "protecting" our consumers in the same manner the EU is "protecting" theirs. How does breaking up MS help the people of any nation? The EU is buying this product. Why? If someone, anyone would develop something better then, I say let the people choose. Sadly, there is no good alternative today. Not because of MS but rather because no one else can. There are competitors, only they cannot perform as well. Their lack of ability, and their protectionism only serves to hurt the consumer. I also believe that the pact that they signed with us promised to respect each other laws. Here in this nation, this company is fine.

[Kwasiowusu]

Send in the B2's and the F-22 Raptors

The European Union vermin in Brussels is easily the most corrupt, sleazy, retarded outfit on the planet.
It would appear to me that the EU bureacracy in Brussels exists mainly to do everything in their power to destroy American companies, while protecting inefficient, moribound European outfits.
They did the same thing to Boeing a few years back, in an ultimately doomed attempt to protect AirBUST. Today, Boeing is busy clobbering the goverment subsidized Airbus in the market.
The EU does not have the power to break up ANY American company, let alone mighty Microsoft.
The US Justice Department of these United States is going to have plenty to say about that.
Meanwhile, if the retards at the EU, and this Amerca-hating so-called "competition commisioner" of the EU refuses to see sense, we can always send in the B2's and Raptors.

[suyts]

Naw,

we could, of course, but wouldn't it be better to let them choke on their own vomit? Let them spew what ever they will. In the end, they will screw themselves. They always have. They always will. That's why we left that place to begin with. My apologies to my freedom loving brethren across the pond.

[Commander_Spock]

Can't Do That Man....

... there will be no need to; you have always got to remember what were some of the reasons the Pilgrims decided to join the Natives and others (Africans) that were already living on the shores of the Americans--religious freedom and taxation being two of these examples. So now, all you have to do is to remind the "European outfits" that there will come a time when there will be "one voice" speaking (and will be prepared to stand up: does the "Boston Tea Party" rings a bell) with regards to rights of American companies whether it is with regards to the freedom to develop and distribute computer software (by law) or "Dreamliners"!

[Siegfried Schtauffen]

You're a thinker, aren't you?

80 aircraft sure will scare Europe.

[knowles2]

Ms

Well the fact is the Justice department was gonna split them up anyway, before Ms Bribe, oops meant made a nice big fat donations to a few senators and president bush and suddenly all talk of this break up disappears fortunately Microsoft cannot do this Europe and probably themselves are shock to discover they loose court case after court case in the European courts.

So if the justice department does have somthing to say they should say they fully support the decision, as they were in 2000 or explain why they felt that the company should not be broken up and explain their thinking and what changes Microsoft made that change their minds about the break up. Off course bush will probably not let them.


Now their plenty competitors out their but the real probablem have been Microsoft in the past forcing pc Manufacturers in to making their brand exclusive Microsoft windows for them to get a Microsoft license, forcing consumers in buying Microsoft, as no other offering was available of Home pc out of the box, hop fully with dell selling Linux in the coming years and with EU government starting to adopt Linux base systems for their government departments we can see progress on the move way from microsoft.

I would love to see break up, but this depends on if you politicians stop taking bribe, oops should really stop using that word meant donations, and get some balls and confront Microsoft themselves.,

[Commander_Spock]

Hey "knowles2"....

... didn't you have anything better to do than to write this crap like "Now their plenty competitors out their but the real probablem have been Microsoft in the past forcing pc Manufacturers in to making their brand exclusive Microsoft windows for them to get a Microsoft license, forcing consumers in buying Microsoft..." Why don't you take some time to GOOGLE up some history on the development of the UNIX, OS/2, SOLARIS... (not going to do that for you) and try to figure out just where the real problems lies. People write crap (it appears) when they cannot do things (develop their own distros) for themselves and others to use!

[Kwasiowusu]

Ms

knowles2 : "Well the fact is the Justice department was gonna split them up anyway, before Ms Bribe, oops meant made a nice big fat donations to a few senators and president bush and suddenly all talk of this break up disappears"


knowles2, you left out one little detail in that little re-write of hstory right there: The United Staets Court of Appeals took Judge Penfield Jackson (the guy that ruled against Microsoft in the first place) apart, for breaking every rule of jurisprudence known to man during the Microsoft trial. The Appeals Court even turned round and REMOVED Judge Penfield Jackson from the case, and returned the case to ANOTHER judge, who was not inclined to break up a great company like Microsoft for cheap political reasons and notoriety, like Penfield Jackson did.
If any bribes were paid, they were paid by Oracle, Sun, IBM etc to the super corrupt Klinton Administration so they coud get those sleazeballs to terrorize Microsoft. Today, Google, Apple and the open source brigade are busy bribing corrupt EU officials to do the same thng. So what's new?
knowles 2, get ya face outta Hilary Clinton's butt will ya?

[Commander_Spock]

Hi Folks....

... if the haunch is correct it is believed that the Microsoft Corporation is about to tell off the EU and here is why: Microsoft is about start a Latin American research institute, see enclosed link:

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+starts+Latin+American+research+institute/2100-1008_3-6182077.html?tag=nefd.top

To get Latin Americans more "educated and become a player to create a knowledge-based economy to compete with India and China,"; so, first it was IBM which moved some of its laboratory facilities from places in the EU to the Indian Sub-Continent and now it is the Microsoft Corporation which is starting a Latin American research institute. Just what does this tells us. Pretty soon the EU might be in the history books as far as computing prowess may be concerned all because they seem to be unable to utilise their brain power to compete without having their motherly Governments to legislate against U.S. companies in order that they can compete in the international market place.

[b8375629]

You remind me an awful lot...

...of this guy...

http://www.ideastorm.com/people/reg/comments

Seperated at birth?

/:^D

[k1darkknight]

Making it a condition of doing business in Europe...?

Well...if the EU is considering making a Microsoft breakup a condition of doing business in Europe, maybe Microsoft should discontinue sales in Europe until this issue is resolved. Let's see how quick they are to demand a Microsoft breakup THEN! Yes, Europe may be a fairly sizable chunk of Microsoft's income, but quite honestly, MS can survive without Europe. Can European computer industry say the same? Granted, also, US companies that preinstall Windows on their computers would still be shipping those computers to Europe, but aside from preinstalled copies, they wouldn't be able to purchase upgrade versions, or Office, or any other Microsoft product (including hardware). I wonder how quickly the EU would change its tune under those circumstances. Or would they just get MORE agressive, and try to force Microsoft to sell in Europe, by some other means?

[Kwasiowusu]

Making it a condition of doing business in Europe...?

"Well...if the EU is considering making a Microsoft breakup a condition of doing business in Europe, maybe Microsoft should discontinue sales in Europe until this issue is resolved"

That might not be such a bad idea after all.
Nothing will please me more than to see these rabid Europeans stew in their own bile.
The EU tried the same crap against Boeing in order to protect Airbus. Today, Airbus is collapsing, even as Boeing continues to prosper.
It would be great to see the rest of the EU go down the toilet, the same way as Airbus did.

[Had_to_be_said]

As Microsofts collapse continues...

...I fear, the computer industry is going to be in for an absolutely hideous-period, for a while.

And, frankly, its all Microsofts own fault.

Microsoft is a repeatedly convicted criminal-enterprise. They were found guilty throughout the United States. They were found guilty at the Federal-level. They were found guilty at the appellate-level. They were found guilty in Europe. They were found guilty in Asia. And, it doesnt look like Microsoft is going to, simply, get-away with their crimes and endless delaying strategies, as successfully, outside the United States.

Furthermore, most people feel that Microsoft is a pack of two-faced liars. Even now, for example, Microsoft is trying desperately to convince customers that... consumers losing virtually all of their basic rights through "WGA", and "WPA"... is actually for, "...the customers benefit". Yes, this is the latest official propaganda-strategy, but of course, this lie isnt, really, working. And now, Microsoft is desperately trying to convince their resellers to actually spread this nonsense to their customers and convince them that these obscene programs, not only dont harm consumer-rights, and product-usability... but actually, somehow, enhance the Microsoft-products.

However, youd have to be pretty damn stupid to buy that one... And, apparently, most people just arent that stupid.

Microsoft is, also, -still- trying to unfairly-control, and extract revenue from the entire computer-industry... Heard of Microsofts "driver signing" scam..? Guess what, it has nothing to do with "stability", or "security". Its actually primarily about "MS-DRM" compliance, Microsoft-control, and "signing fees" (read the white-papers from Microsoft).

And, Microsoft continues to move ahead with its "per user" licensing (as opposed to per-machine licensing) plan, and "software as a service" (perpetual payment extraction) scam. These have actually been "road-mapped" goals for quite some time. In fact, many of the neccesary technologies are actually already part of Vista. Also, while I havent heard the term "Trusted Computing" in a little while (I guess Microsoft realized what a bad-name it had, rightfully, achieved throughout the computer-world), all of the technological-underpinnings are still, very much, being imposed, as quickly as possible.

And, Microsoft is still, clearly, trying to misappropriate other peoples ideas and business-niches, and turn them into, exclusive, Microsoft revenue-streams... "Silverlight", anybody..? "One Care"..?

Microsofts various "FUD" campaigns also continue unabated. Except that, now, Microsofts anti-Linux-campaign has actually shifted more towards their, earlier, "embrace, extend, and eliminate" approach (of licensing for market-leverage). Microsoft has also, now, begun a program to try to convince people to move "...back to Microsoft"... where before... they were simply trying to stop people from "switching" in the first place.

Also, I have heard, from Microsoft employees, that the employee-disatisfaction and turn-over rates have reached unprecedented levels.

Overall, not a good sign for Microsoft.

I guess copying, bundling, and monopoly-based product-integration really were Microsofts only real business-talents.

Additionally, frankly (despite Microsofts bogus marketing-claims), Microsofts latest products are actually, simply, failing miserably in the marketplace...

"Vista" is a complete disaster. Virtually everyone in the IT-industry is saying to stay away from it. Even those businesses (both national, and local) that were poised to sell "Vista", have begun backing away from the product... Or, in some cases, they have actually begun to recommend against acquiring, or using, it.

Most IT-people, and even (more privately) salesmen, have begun stating that "Vista" is overpriced, too restrictive, too unsupported, and offers nothing of substance.

And, once the, so-called, "anti-piracy" actions within "Vista" (such as intentionally crippling the OS if Microsofts, already proven to be flawed "WGA" fails to "authenticate" correctly)... begin to be felt throughout the IT-industry, Microsoft is, undoubtedly, going to be hit with literally billions of dollars worth of lawsuits. Shortly after this, I expect that Microsofts "EULAs" are finally going to face a real examination in the courts... and I cant imagine that Microsoft is going to be too pleased when they find out just how totally unreceptive the legal-system is going to be towards Microsofts many, utterly unreasonable, and often-illegal, stipulations, and claims, of post-sale ownership and control, by Microsoft.

Furthermore, the resistance to "Office 2007" appears to be even worse than the initial resistance against being pushed to switch to "Office 2003". And, Ill only briefly mention all the problems, and animosity, I am hearing from new "IE 7" users.

And, then theres "Zune"...

Not to mention Microsofts, numerous, long-term product-quality, security, and pricing, issues, or their strip-and-ship-late product-development ("Windows virtualization" is the latest casualty). Clearly, none of these problems have actually been addressed.

Everyone I know feels that Microsoft is going down. And that, it is their own inability to compete honestly, or treat their customers fairly, that has led to this. Microsoft is, simply, not capable of changing. And, one more spin, or image, campaign... just isnt going to do anything to halt Microsofts inevitable-demise.

Soon, with Microsofts growing expenditures, and virtually-flat "stock" (and with their product-problems, consumer-problems, marketplace-problems, and legal-problems) I think many analysts truly expect to see a rapidly-accelerating devaluation of the company. In fact, personally, I believe that Microsoft could, literally, quite-quickly find itself in the penny-stock category... facing the same, utter, financial-collapse as several other, previously, seemingly-unstoppable large-corporations that have, so-recently, failed so-dramatically.

Personally, we have contacted our financial-consultant, just to make sure that our retirement-savings, do not, in any way, contain, nor are they tied into, Microsoft-stock.

[Kwasiowusu]

As Microsofts collapse continues...

Had_to_be_said : "Microsoft is a repeatedly convicted criminal-enterprise."

Huh?
Please tell.
Exactly when did the American goverment declare that Microsoft was a "criminal-enterprise" again?
I am gonna tell ya once: Stay off the crack.

[Commander_Spock]

>>>"As Microsofts collapse continues"<<<; How...

... can this even begin when part of the foundation was built on Code-Base OS/2. You can bet the farm that the world is most likely to "WARP" Again! and Go Boldly as the VERSION 5.0 Engines (under "ETHANOL" power) comes back on line!

LIVE LONG AND PROSPER!

[Kwasiowusu]

"Had_to_be_said " = Stark ravng lunatic

"Your posts continue to demonstrate an, almost-unbelievable, level of falsehood, ignorance, and childishness"
Your pots continue t prove yoi need psychiatric help.
Listen, there are plenty of places where Microosft-hating madmen have been getting treatment for the past 20 years. Only thing is, it don't do them much good. Microsoft continues to prosper, and the Microsoft-haters continue to bang their heads against concrete walls.
Sorry.

""Penfield Jackson"(s) rulings of "fact", and LEGAL "verdict" WERE... UPHELD... by every court"

Yeah?
Read this, fool:


"ISSUING A WARNING about the ?limited competence of courts? to evaluate high-tech products, the three-member appeals panel reversed a key ruling by Judge Jackson, finding he had exceeded his authority by issuing an injunction the government never asked for and appointing a ?special master? to review technical issues."

And this:

"Friends suggest that his past troubles ? he was particularly hurt two years ago when a local magazine branded him ?one of the least-respected judges on the federal bench? "

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=appeals%20court%20attacks%20penfield%20jackson


Read the part that says :three-member appeals panel reversed a key ruling by Judge Jackson, finding he had exceeded his authority by issuing an injunction the government never asked for and appointing a ?special master? to review technical issues"

What more lies ya got?