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March 2, 2007 7:28 AM PST

Perspective: Forget DRM. It's the music

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Pushing my vacuum cleaner around the living room last week, I suddenly did a double take. Chockablock with records, cassettes and CDs, the wall unit across from me contained my 35-year-old history as a music consumer.

Truth be told, I did download a few digital-music files here and there during Napster's heyday in the late 1990s. (Personal note to the RIAA: They've all since been deleted. I swear on my pet rock.) But I paid for most of the rest of my collection, down to the last penny. I bet you can say the same for the majority of the music-listening public.

So it was with a mix of amusement and disappointment that I read about the recent get-together for music industry executives, where the folks invited as talking heads took turns bashing Apple CEO Steve Jobs and offering pale prescriptions about how to fix what ails their business.

Blaming peer-to-peer technology has become the convenient undertaking of our times.

I don't want to get into an argument about which generation created the best music. Personally, I'm partial to jazz and classical, though I can't deny that I dig a lot of hip-hop. But is it possible--or even likely--that the falloff in music sales has more to do more with the quality of contemporary music than with digital piracy? We obviously have an enormous appetite for schlock, but there are limits.

With all due respect to the high-quality bands working for a living, the studios have always chosen the easy out by shoving numbingly formulaic, bad music down the public's throat. For most of the postwar era, that was the way things worked. Then came the Internet, which ushered in the revenge of the music buyer.

The studios shouldn't be surprised at what happened. Throughout their history, they routinely targeted Top 40 titles at teenagers and early twentysomethings. The irony is that these folks make up the demographic most likely to pirate music.

The studios have always chosen the easy out by shoving numbingly formulaic, bad music down the public's throat.

Instead of threatening to sue their own (potential) customers, why don't they do more to monetize the growing demand for oldies and indie music? Fans clearly are willing to pay it. What's so hard about finding a way to make that work? With a little creativity, the studios could find ways to better promote musicians who cater to these--and other--demographic categories, in which digital piracy isn't the fashion. All the consumer wants in return is a fair value.

Instead, the industry's best and brightest continue to look elsewhere.

For instance, they insist on clinging to digital right management as if it were a lifeboat. Pardon the cliche, but that ship has sailed. The endless wrangling over Jobs' call to get rid of DRM is so irrelevant. Same goes for their tired refrains, blaming the likes of you and me for their plight.

To wit: Ted Cohen, who directs music consulting for Tag Strategic, says the solution is "to get money flowing from consumers and get them used to paying for music again."

Really? It's not as if we haven't been paying all along. With all the high-powered MBAs in their employ, it's hard to fathom why the music industry can't move beyond finger-pointing and develop a more creative approach. I can understand the angst expressed by Cohen and his music industry cohorts about the future, but squeezing music fans for a few more shekels isn't the answer.

These folks are still shell-shocked from the Napsterization of their business, which has suffered a 23 percent decline in worldwide sales the last six years. Blaming peer-to-peer technology has become the convenient undertaking of our times. But it's useful to recall that people didn't stop buying books or maps when the Xerox machine hit. Customers will pay for worthwhile products, even if they can get free lower-quality copies.

There's a better reason to explain what's gone wrong. It's the product, stupid.

Then again, maybe I'm simply showing my age.

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Charles Cooper is CNET News.com's executive editor of commentary.

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"It's the product, stupid."
by john55440 March 2, 2007 7:51 AM PST
Agreed!

I printed out the "Rolling Stone Magazine 500 Greatest Albums of All Time" list, and buy older stuff on CD.

Hip-hop can be criticized for many reasons, but mostly, it's just an uncreative bore.
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Don't place blame on hip-hop, place it on idiot labels.
by Christopher Rydberg March 2, 2007 9:09 AM PST
I'm not a big hip-hop fan but it's unfair to say the lack of
creativity is the fault of hip-hop. It's the fault of the record
labels themselves and their never-ending stream of crap music.
Hilary & Haley Duff, Paris Hilton, Nelly Furtado, Jesse McCartney,
Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls, Take That, T.a.t.u., Atomic Kitten,
Il Divo, Patrizio, Vittorio Grigolo and on and on and on. All of
them couldn't write a song to save their lives and are propped
up on a moutain of producers, writers, stylists, choreographers,
directors and handlers to look like musicians when they are in
fact just a branded product no different than Dove soap or
Depends undergarments. They run these no talent "musicians"
through the public view and see if any of them generate sales,
which with the talent hidden behind them they generally do.

The problem is that fans of real music and musicians gets so
disheartened by having to weed through this barrage of subpar
crap that they start to tune out and then the industry loses
another buyer.

If I wanted to buy a bunch of tools I'd go to a hardware store not
the music shop. How sad is it that almost all the stuff I by is
from indie labels or artists who've been around for decades?
Where's the next Frank Sinatra? Why am I digging through indie
music for the next David Bowie instead of hearing about him
from the big labels? How is it that I knew Norah Jones was going
to be a hit before her label did? Why do half the musicians in
music today not know how to play music themselves?

I'm with the writer on this one.

"It's the product, stupid."
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hiphopp
by paulsecic March 2, 2007 10:52 AM PST
is crap.
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End DRM, I will buy.
by ralfthedog March 2, 2007 8:03 AM PST
I buy local bands music. For the most part, the local bands are better than the label stuff.

As for DVDs, Most of the DVDs I want to watch are not region 1. I have a multi region DVD player, however it won't work for Blue-Ray.

Stop trying to dictate what we like and don't like. Kill off DRM, sell us the music and movies we want, then we will start paying for your stuff again.
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Me too
by jd29 March 2, 2007 9:55 AM PST
End DRM, and sell me a high quality recording at a fair price (hint:
price of download should be cheaper than price of CD), and I'll start
buying again too. But I'm not holding my breath. I've been waiting
for about 4 years. And looks like I'll be waiting for at least that
many again.
We're detached from you, finally.
by snavely77 March 3, 2007 12:36 AM PST
"Stop trying to dictate what we like and don't like."
And
Quit trying to dictate how I can listen to it or watch it.
End DRM and quit calling every consumer a cheater and a liar when we live normal lives and pay our hard-earned money to you while you live in a mansion in Beverly Hills and are financially secure. We (normal people) have other things to worry about in our lives than your pathetic whining about you making only 1.3 million a year rather than 2 million. We have no sympathy for you and your bottom-line statistics problem. Quit acting like we owe you something, like you're above us. Like you know what we "need." You are obviously detached from your consumers and we're detached from you, finally.
Bottomline -- we're no cheaters...
by MichaGato March 5, 2007 1:48 AM PST
... but we will cheat when schited upon.

I buy a LOT of CD\VDs, just not those deliberately made faulty by DRM or other copy protection, because I only intend to pay once for what I buy. When I can't, I turn to the Net. And our name is legion...
Control
by c|net Reader March 5, 2007 11:25 AM PST
You say they need to end DRM. That is just one of the means by which the industry tries to control our media. They want to ensure we can't every possibly, accidentally or otherwise, listen to something in more than one place at a time. They want to dictate what we'll like. They want to thwart attempts to make things usable. (The movie industry tries the same things.)

When they stop trying to control what and how and instead resond to customers usefully, they'll find their industry flourish.

Lest you think I'm just talking about the music labels, I should mention that movie directors bristle at the thought that someone might use a TV Guardian to control the audio or a ClearPlay player to control the audio and video of a movie to make it palatable to a family's mores. Labeling music and movies with a rating helps one choose what is -- or might be -- acceptable, but often that leads to removing just enough objectionable content to get a lower rating to get past those pesky parents.

If the media types would stop trying to choke us with filth and mundane, formulaic dribble, they mind find consumers more inclined to purchase. Instead, it seems as if they simply want to gnash their teeth at their woeful state while trying to convince us that we are at fault rather than they.
Shekels!?!
by henebry March 2, 2007 8:04 AM PST
"squeezing music fans for a few more shekels isn't the answer."

But neither is coded antisemitism the answer. I'm sure this was an
accidental slip of the pen, but nonetheless a blotch on an otherwise
excellent opinion piece. Please let's not imagine record industry
executives as rapacious moneylenders.
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You don't know record industry executives.
by ralfthedog March 2, 2007 8:25 AM PST
They make rapacious moneylenders look like saints. I could tell you stories, but I think they would break your brain.
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Shekels!?!
by pharrisworth March 2, 2007 8:32 AM PST
Oy!Masugena! looking for antisemites around every corner you should not be
no, no, no.
by woadlined March 2, 2007 11:58 AM PST
Using "shekels" isn't "coding antisemitism". The author could use "moola", "dough", etc. etc.

Please stay focused on the discussion topic.
Anti Semite, moi?
by charlie cooper March 2, 2007 12:18 PM PST
Dear Henebry,

Thanks for your comment. As for your suggested that my use of the term "shekel" was coded anti-semitism, well, I think my Rabbi would be very suprised as well. Needless to say, you're reading way too much into this.

Regards
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Dinars?!? Pesos?!? Lire?!? Francs?!? Pence?!? Drachmas?!? Yen!?!
by fcekuahd March 2, 2007 4:03 PM PST
Rupees?!? Rand?!? Kroner?!? Marks!?! Guilders!?! Won!?!

What the hell is your point?
Neutered beyond belief
by kojacked March 3, 2007 3:38 PM PST
That?s the spirit! While we?re talking about how horrible the music industry is let?s get all politically correct about it too!

Both are equally bad. All of this politically correctness is killing expression in any form. People can find something offensive in almost anything spoken or written these days (or hell even our gestures and body language is over scrutinized.)

I can?t wait for everyone to finally get on the politically correct bandwagon so our books, movies, magazines, and even our day-to-day speech is colorless and drab.

Everyone can cry about being the victim; how about we just take a deep breath and get over it without having to post this dribble about being offended.
Lose the Lameness please...
by boratebomber March 5, 2007 8:48 AM PST
Shekels are a monetary denomination just like Dollars, Bucks, Fins, Benjamins (ooh, you could get anti semetic on that one as well, but then BF wasn't Jewish so it's a long shot), Leks, Lira, Deutsch Marks, etc.

As to coding, it's like the feminist I heard giving a speech that was against certain prison terms because she was confusing a latin derivitive with male anatomy. Sorry, but it doesn't hold water.
Shekels!
by skeptik March 5, 2007 11:13 AM PST
I've noticed you have 'heb' in your name. Clearly you're antisemitic yourself!
It IS the Music
by pharrisworth March 2, 2007 8:26 AM PST
For the first time in over 50 years Older people out number the pre 18 Year olds. Todays music industry is still tied to the 12-18 year old. And quite frankly RAP is SH-T, and hip hop isn't far behind.
Why isn't the Country and Bluegrass music sales seeing a similar drop in sales? Because they are still producing a product for their entire audience.
While I don't care for country music, it seems more oriented to the existing market. When the "Stones" release a new album, it does great!
It is time the music Industry finally get their collective head out of their Colon, and look at what's really happening. The "boomers" are still the largest single buying group out their, and the Music industry has deserted them....The one good thing is all my favorites are on "Greatest Hits" CDs now...No more buying an album for one or two good songs Ü
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The Way the Music Died....
by jmarszal March 2, 2007 8:37 AM PST
PBS Frontline did a show on how the music industry has changed over the years. Its funny to see the Music Execs blaming the internet and the Musicians blaming the Music Execs. Very interesting to anyone who likes this news story. You can watch in online at PBS Frontline page....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/view/
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The RIAA loving the DRM thing.
by hunter_jc March 2, 2007 8:48 AM PST
Because its good that if you don't like the DRM. Don't buy it. YOu
can buy the CD. Buy DRM music, $0.99 a song. You buy a CD,
$9.99. Of course the RIAA want to keep the DRM
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An Interesting Discovery
by davidwb March 2, 2007 8:53 AM PST
I just did a quick browse of my music files and found something
interesting. I purchased 31 CDs in the past year. Of those, all but
7 were either indie or self produced and promoted. This wasn't
by design, I'm not on an anti-label kick. Its simply because I've
been finding my music outside of the mainstream. I don't listen
broadcast radio and I don't shop at the local big box store. At
least when it comes to my wife and me, the labels have largely
stopped producing what I want to listen to. And as you note,
that indeed could be their problem.
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I may be the minority but....
by tsi26 March 2, 2007 9:05 AM PST
I, believe it or not, haven't bought a CD since the Napster days. I have gotten CD's as gifts and what not, but I haven't purchased any. I was and still am sick and tired of buying a CD for one good song. So I simply choose to not buy anything at all. Napster gave me a way to check out a good portion of an album that I potentially wanted. Guess what record execs, I like owning the CD's. I don't like to keep tons of MP3's on my computer. I simply rip new songs and move them over to my MP3 player when I want to change my play list.I like being able to choose where and what CD/MP3 player I want to use. This is also the reason I won't be buying any music from ITunes either. Screw your DRM. Enjoy your dieing business model. Idiots!
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Why do the RIAA insist on doing this to us
by jchandler15 March 2, 2007 9:13 AM PST
It seems to me that the RIAA have got stuck in their own little world that suing people and making everything DRM filled is ok and it's a good thing for the music industry, but what the RIAA don't realize is that more people are pirating because of them!!!

Josh Chandler
http://www.techoriphic.com
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I hate being treated as criminal
by irdac March 2, 2007 11:53 PM PST
I bought a few DVDs recently where I am forced to see a long warning sequence which tells me what I am not allowed to do with the product. I cannot fast forward through it and so get annoyed with the product every time. To make matters worse some of the threats of prosecution are from the Federal Communications Commission who have no authority in the United Kingdom.
The result is that I will no longer buy DVDs.
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It's a la carte vs. album sales
by Xenu7-214951314497503184010868 March 2, 2007 9:24 AM PST
Music labels are losing money because they have lost their one big rip-off: forcing us to pay for 9 songs to get one good one. Now that we can just buy that one good song, the rest of the mediocre filler songs aren't getting sold. So yes, fundamentally it is about the music. Digital downloading has made the music marketplace more accurate, and consumers love Steve Jobs for it. Think about the slump in music sales as the market correction that it truly is.
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Absolutely
by annekauf83 March 2, 2007 9:57 AM PST
Back in the day, if we wanted to own a great tune, there was little choice, other than to purchase an album with alot of crap-filler (not always, but most of the time). I resented it then and I still resent it now, which is why I have no sympathy for those responsible.
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bang on
by xsabaa March 3, 2007 10:16 AM PST
"Think about the slump in music sales as the market correction that it truly is."

The industry IS facing a market correction. And like every other industry that is forced to look into the abyss, they will ultimately have to accept responsibility for the fate which they carved for themselves. The existential music industry dilemma...the abyss is staring back at them and all they can do is scream.
Sorry Dude, but you're wrong.
by hermantf March 2, 2007 9:34 AM PST
I don't know what rock you've been living under but no one that
I know buys music anymore. Downloading for free just can't be
beat by anything and it doesn't matter how good the song is.
The CD is almost dead. MP3's (or whatever digitally compressed
format) has almost completely taken over. And that just makes it
too simple to "share" with everybody.

And what is all this about indie artists benifiting from free
music? Are they crazy? Whoever started that myth sure didn't
know what the heck they were talking about! It is still an indie
artist's dream to eventually be signed by a major. But a major
want a piece of everything that the indie artist makes in order to
sign them up. They want a cut from live shows, a cut from song
writers royalties, they want to own the band's name, the internet
site, and the list goes on and on.

I don't know what the music industry is going to do, but believe
me, "better" music is not going to solve anything. There will
probably never be sales like those of the 80's and 90's. Back
then, the top sellers were in the 10 - 15 million copies sold! And
it was common place for an artist to sell 1 - 8 million. Now, 1
million copies is considered to be almost an aboration of nature!
And check this out. If you were an indie artist back then, it was
possible to release a CD, sell 10 - 50 thousand copies and make
a very good living. Now, an indie artist is lucky to sell 5
thousand with a decent hit record. Hardly a decent living.

Until the industry figures out how to stop the illegal copying and
downloading of music (probably never), or they figure out how
to make money again from selling music (more likely, but still
far-fetched), the music the public gets exposed to isn't going to
get better. It's going to get worse because it's still a business
and the lack of $$$ only makes it harder for everyone to make a
living.
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Dude is wrong, but for different reasons.
by ti55 March 2, 2007 10:16 AM PST
Human nature says people will pursue paying as little as possible to get the best available product they can. Ripping converted music products into a digital format that was small enough for music to be made into a format that was available to millions. And it did it for free. As compression algorithms continue to make media smaller to port and as data storage providers continue to make storage products that store more data in smaller spaces, all products being produced in a digital format will be at risk of being stolen. That's just human nature at work. The music biz is just the first major industry to take major losses widely and quickly. Welcome to the new digital world. I bet the Music Biz powers long for the days of the LP.
And I disagree with you
by eldernorm March 3, 2007 10:17 AM PST
Hmmm, just because you and your local frineds enjoy stealing
does not mean that its the norm. As Steve Jobs pointed out,
most of the music on an iPod is from other sources, usually CDs.

Most of us are happy to buy the music we want. Big note, the
music WE WANT. While I listen to radio sometimes, I like to
make notes of songs that I like so I can buy them later. If the
artist has a bunch of songs, I will look at buying the CD. If its
only one or two, I just go online and get those. My time is
valuable. If I were a broke teenager with nothing but time, I
might be willing to spend a day or two per song trying to "steal"
that song, but for me and many others, its the other way
around.

Hey, iTunes works, two billion songs and counting
( 2,000,000,000+ ) it must be doing something right. :-)

PS, I do know a couple of teenagers that have hundreds of songs
on their machines that the have gotten on the side. THe funny
thing is that they don't listen to them. Its like a badge of honor,
"HEY, I have 4,000 songs by unknown artists". "Do you listen to
them?" I asked. "HELL NO. I am too busy getting more and
more." Me, I just drop in my playlist onto an mp3 player, put
on the head phones and enjoy MY music. Plain, simple, and
nice.

Later,

N.
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Not So Much
by 6-3-2 March 3, 2007 11:23 AM PST
I'm not sure where you got those indie record sales figures but Clap Your Hands Say Yeah sold over 200,000 without a record label, and they still don't have one. Interpol has sold, or will soon sell 500,000 copies of their first and second record each, and on an indie label. British Sea Power and Belle & Sebastian have sold at least 250,000 copies of their latest releases and The Go! Team sold over 500,000 copies. As a matter of fact independent artists from the UK have sold more records than they ever have, EVER.

Major label sales have plummeted, that's true, but it does not apply to independent record labels. On top of that eMusic is the second largest online music retailer, offering mostly independent, and DRM free music. Honestly, where did you get this information?
What?
by Tomcat Adam March 3, 2007 4:20 PM PST
I don't know about you, but any music store I go into is significantly more busy (i.e. packed full of people) than it was ten, even fifteen years ago.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't work either way.

As for CD sales, recording labels take such a massive amount of the profit from each sale that it doesn't really matter.

Most artists make their living off of concerts and performances, not CD's. By a wide margin.
No Actually YOUR wrong
by pharrisworth March 5, 2007 2:34 PM PST
I just used one click to buy three Cd's by Nightwish from Amazon.com, I DO occasionally stop by the retail places, and actually see people ( Mostly younger than Myself (51) in the check out lane BUYING CDs. Disregarding your amoral leaning, your underlying premise is wrong. If people like what they hear, they will BUY it. If they don't, they won't
Indie Bands
by DraconumPB March 2, 2007 9:37 AM PST
Indie bands and artists need a much better way to promote themselves. By the nature of being an indie artist (I'm trying to find a good way to distribute my own music, so this is something I face personally), it's tough to promote yourself and to make money. And generally, if an indie artist makes money, it's because they were a combination of skillful promotion and good talent. But there's still an upper limit on indie success that affects most indie artists from what I can tell.

There have been more and more methods recently for indie artists to sell their music online, such as emusic and amie st., but these still won't really get you very far most likely compared to being availibile on iTunes. Indie artists need their own outlet that can compete on the same level as iTunes, but DRM-free and fair to the artists AND consumers...

Though this unfortunately is calling for the consumer/sheep mass to get their heads out of their ***** and stop buying into the RIAA and iTunes. And do I ever think that'll happen? Not really.
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Hang in there, LAMbCase is coming!
by cs2cd March 2, 2007 10:23 AM PST
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It is also the quality...
by jhebeler March 2, 2007 9:55 AM PST
Why have they refused to provide any higher quality (better sampling, more channels) than something from the 80s. The 5.1 formats like SACD were never seriously embraced by the music companies. What other technology-based product is stuck using technology from the 80s - that is 1900 and 80.
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A point or two
by timeto March 2, 2007 10:26 AM PST
Most of the movies I see are using the older (better) music.

Just how many swear words can you get in a song.
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Music Formats
by Stormspace March 2, 2007 11:01 AM PST
When I started listening to music it was in the twilight years of vinyl so that's what I bought. Vinyl was good but no matter how carefully I handled it I couldn't keep the pops and hisses out of the sound. I started buying Cassettes, but as I'm the type the wear out a recording the media would all to often fail after about 6-12 months. My solution was to buy high quality audio cassettes and record my own from vinyl. This worked great and allowed me to have a good hiss and pop free music experience. And, since I shelved the vinyl after I made the recording I could always pull it back out if something happened to the original copy.

Shortly afterwards the CD came out and as soon as the stereo components were affordable I bought one. At the time I also told my friends I wouldn't install a player in my car until I could make my own CD.

I'm happy to say I stood by that promise and saved myself hundreds of dollars, yet I didn't have CD quality music in my car as a result for many years. For a while I bought CD's and recorded them onto tape, but then I got married and the time to make copies evaporated and I stopped buying them.

Sometime later I did get a CD player in my car and I played my own CD's in it just as I had promised. I even bought my son a CD MP3 player for his car. I told him it was better than a CD changer since you can get more on a single disk. I also started buying more music since I could now rip it and take it with me without endangering my original copy. My CD's became disposable since if one failed or was damaged I still had the original and a ripped copy ready to burn another CD in 10 minutes at home.

Enter DRM and the freedom I have disappears as does my purchasing habits. For the past 40 years I've been able to copy music in one way or another to listen to in different places and with DRM the RIAA is wanting to take that away. First they say ripping a track is illegal, then they backtrack a half step and say they'll let you do it. Nothing in writing, so they can change their mind later. Second they want to restrict over the air copying of music. They say because it's digital, but it's really just so they can charge you again for the DRMed CD, and for the DRMed download. Lastly the MPAA is following suit and while TV show downloads may seem cool now it's only a matter of time before that organization wants to ban over the air recordings as well so that you have to pay when you miss the original aired broadcast or you pay your cable company to not send the HDCP block to your house so you can use your TiVo.

We're entering an era of nickel and diming hitting us from every direction and until some sort of consumer rights legislation or ruling happens we'll be paying for everything piecemeal.
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A realistic account of what they doing to us
by MichaGato March 5, 2007 2:11 AM PST
I.e., removing the right of choosing where we want to listen/view our audio/visual goods. Let's take that back...
Pay per use
by skeptik March 5, 2007 11:34 AM PST
Sounds like you're about my age - you history parallels mine. What you didn't mention is the extra joy you got from making your own tapes, mix tapes etc. It added an level of interactivity to an otherwise static listening experience.
You're right. The industry is trying to take it all away. Despite the fact that every piece of blank media carries a tax to PAY THEM for your right to copy.
But have no fear, the interactivity will come back... just as soon as they have us all paying per listen. Then you will see an explosion of ways to use your music! lol
They don't want to sell to me......
by old_headbanger March 2, 2007 11:11 AM PST
I don't buy CD's anymore because the don't sell "my music" in stores. For that matter, all the good music stores are gone as well. They seem to think everyone is listening to hiphop or some derivitive, purchased from a best buy or walmart.
These stores selections have always sucked. I have been TRYING to buy CD's for the last 8 years, and have only managed four:
Three greatest hits albums from older groups I was surprised to find, and a newer (early 2000's) rock group that quickly vanished. Why am I limited to today's crap? It REALLY sucks. I'm not a depressed, suicidal teen. I'm a happy, energetic man that enjoys life and fast metal. Apparently the music industry does not want to sell to me. Why should I worry about them?
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there's metal in them hills
by maint1 March 3, 2007 11:43 PM PST
There are plenty of fast metal bands out there like Shadows Fall.
Sure they have roaring vocals but that stuff was present in the
80's a la Death.

I really miss systematic though. They rocked.

I just saw Trivium on Headbanger's Ball - (I know it's trite). They
are really good too.

Happy Hunting.
They don't want to sell to me......
by old_headbanger March 2, 2007 11:11 AM PST
I don't buy CD's anymore because the don't sell "my music" in stores. For that matter, all the good music stores are gone as well. They seem to think everyone is listening to hiphop or some derivitive, purchased from a best buy or walmart.
These stores selections have always sucked. I have been TRYING to buy CD's for the last 8 years, and have only managed four:
Three greatest hits albums from older groups I was surprised to find, and a newer (early 2000's) rock group that quickly vanished. Why am I limited to today's crap? It REALLY sucks. I'm not a depressed, suicidal teen. I'm a happy, energetic man that enjoys life and fast metal. Apparently the music industry does not want to sell to me. Why should I worry about them?
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if you want zero DRM and indie artists...
by jeremy.pickett March 2, 2007 11:29 AM PST
check out http://www.bmuze.com (I am associated with the website). Hundreds of artists, songs, and a great community. DRM is the past, and our new economy needs the old guard out. Rock on!
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The blind just want to lead the blind
by Audio King March 2, 2007 11:50 AM PST
Never once has the music industry offered proper incentive?
Incentives like a trade in/up price, because how many times do consumers have to pay over inflated prices, again and again, in order to be able to listen too their music collections in latest/best format?
Incentive like tangible quality in the product, because the last time I saw great album art was? on an album!
Digital signifies the last time I have to pay some mismanaging millionaire like Dave Geffen, again!

AK
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Actually that vinyl and tape are the reason
by jachamp March 2, 2007 12:11 PM PST
You know...back when you bought those lps and cassettes, there was a knowledge that a certain number of sales of these products would be replacement sales. Meaning that someone borrowed your tape, your lp, your cd, and didn't return them. That meant that you had to go out and buy another one.

Well if you can make a digital replica using your PC and play that disc in the same places, what incentive does the user have to go and buy a second copy of that classic album? Zero.

And let's talk about classic music. How many of today's songs do you think will still be played on the radio and being purchased 20 years from now? See my point?

Combine these two factors and I think you'll see where the business is hemmoraging from...intellect. It doesn't have that brain power that it once had.

You have too many myopic people that think that you can grab anyone with a voice, run them into a studio, wash their vocals, plaster their pretty mug on the front of a record, and then spend millions of dollars to push that persons name and face in front of millions of people and sit back and wait for the sales. Well it ain't working that way.

Take a look at the recent American Karaoke...err Idol winner Taylor Hicks. His sales are the worst of any winner ever. Is it a coincidence that his album is also worse than even that garbage that was released by Clay Aiken?

To any music exec who may read this one day...go back to the chalkboard. The way that people use and get music is vastly different and doing things to protect antiquated methods of distribution and playback is not going to save you.

If you want to be saved, you have to make yourself relevant and right now...music labels are only relevant to acts that need marketing..in short...they don't have talent...right Britney? right Paris? right Justin? right Rap Artists?
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Paris? No wonder!
by skeptik March 5, 2007 11:44 AM PST
Paris sings? I though she just (ahem) sucked...
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