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January 13, 2005 4:00 AM PST

Newsmaker: At the heart of the open-source revolution

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At the heart of the open-source revolution
"As an entrepreneur many times over, he hopes he's really getting it right this time." So states half of Mitch Kapor's terse biography on the Open Source Applications Foundation staff page.

It's an odd statement, considering that Kapor got it so spectacularly right the first time. In 1982, he co-founded Lotus Development, later acquired by IBM, and co-wrote the Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet application commonly credited with spurring the personal computer's conquest of the business world.

Although his latest effort is unfolding in comparative obscurity, many in the open-source world are hoping, along with Kapor, that he gets this one right and that the results once again rearrange the dynamics of the computer industry.

Having made his fortune during the heyday of proprietary software, the 54-year-old Kapor finds himself at the forefront of two foundations devoted to open-source software development. He is both president and chair of the OSAF and chairman of the Mozilla Foundation, the group founded by Netscape Communications to develop its browser and later spun off by Netscape acquirer AOL Time Warner.

The goal of the foundations isn't to create a new killer app but rather to use the open-source development model to dislodge Microsoft's Web-browsing and e-mail software titles from their dominant market positions.

Kapor spoke to CNET News.com about his open-source and charity foundations, what it will take to challenge Microsoft and the movement behind Mozilla.

Q: Let's start with the basics: Why open source?
A: Open source is important to different groups of people for different reasons. For consumers, it's one thing; for developers, it's another. But basically, it's an entirely different way of organizing the large-scale economic activity of creating and distributing software (and) has many advantages. It's not a cure-all.

I think that for people who use software, in the long run, open-source products are going to be less expensive and of higher quality. Also, open-source products put more control into the hands of people and organizations that use the software, which is a good thing.

What did your experience at Lotus contribute to your philosophy today?
One of the big events that changed open source a lot took place after I left Lotus in the late 1980s. That's when Linux started and, in particular, that's when other licensing models besides the pure GPL (General Public License) started to be more widely used. Open-source products started to move into the larger world of business software. And that wasn't even on the horizon when I was at Lotus.

By the time it got to the very late '90s, it was clear that it had become difficult to innovate successfully using the

(Firefox) represents proof that a well-done, well-wrought open-source product can have global impact.
proprietary model if you wanted to develop everyday applications that anyone with a personal computer would use: e-mail, spreadsheets, word processors. (Open source) became an end-run around the stagnation that I saw going on. It was very frustrating for lots of people in that the existing products that were out there simply weren't up to the task of handling their e-mail and keeping their lives organized.

Is that still the case?
It is. The great thing that's happened of late is to see the early, huge momentum of Firefox, attracting millions of users and beginning to grow its market share appreciably. That represents proof that a well-done, well-wrought open-source product can have global impact as an application--and I consider a Web browser to be one of those everyday products.

Is Firefox ultimately going to fizzle?
Nobody knows what's going to happen. It's certainly not inevitable that Firefox's market share will continue to increase. I think open-source advocates would do well to be relatively cautious and

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First good open source advocate I've heard!
by TheMidnightCoder January 13, 2005 10:49 AM PST
I've never been much for open source religions. I'll do Microsoft, Java, and LAMP, whatever pays. I've always discounted people that are religious zealots to one side or the other. In general, I think developers are crazy to write code for free so some corporation can make tons of money on it, then outsource your job to some low paying country. Mitch brought up some very good points though. Almost enough to sway me. If they would just pay me.
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Common misconception
by January 14, 2005 3:51 PM PST
While many do write for free for the betterment of everyone, people can and do write open source for a living.
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Just remember....
by David Arbogast January 17, 2005 11:36 AM PST
This guy is an open-source advocate only after his commercial enterprises were swallowed up by more aggressive competitors. His legacy is one of defeat and sellout, not triumph. Where else to go? Can't compete? Give it away free.... Of course this man has changed his mind. Of course. He's been unable to sustain a successful business model.

Yet.... which overwhelmingly dominant open-source products has he had a hand in? Nothing, when you maintain the scope of the entire market.

I'm not saying he's not a smart man, or that he never did anything great. But he obviously has no intent on competing. The "stagnation" he is referring to sounds more like an excuse for not being able to overcome the current market leaders.

Now... good or bad or whatever. If I had the opportunity to sell off Lotus and get filthy rich, I'd probably do it too. But I'm not hearing any new arguments in favor of open-source. Just the same trained responses. "How to talk to a proprietary software advocate 101."
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First good open source advocate I've heard!
by TheMidnightCoder January 13, 2005 10:49 AM PST
I've never been much for open source religions. I'll do Microsoft, Java, and LAMP, whatever pays. I've always discounted people that are religious zealots to one side or the other. In general, I think developers are crazy to write code for free so some corporation can make tons of money on it, then outsource your job to some low paying country. Mitch brought up some very good points though. Almost enough to sway me. If they would just pay me.
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Common misconception
by January 14, 2005 3:51 PM PST
While many do write for free for the betterment of everyone, people can and do write open source for a living.
View reply
Just remember....
by David Arbogast January 17, 2005 11:36 AM PST
This guy is an open-source advocate only after his commercial enterprises were swallowed up by more aggressive competitors. His legacy is one of defeat and sellout, not triumph. Where else to go? Can't compete? Give it away free.... Of course this man has changed his mind. Of course. He's been unable to sustain a successful business model.

Yet.... which overwhelmingly dominant open-source products has he had a hand in? Nothing, when you maintain the scope of the entire market.

I'm not saying he's not a smart man, or that he never did anything great. But he obviously has no intent on competing. The "stagnation" he is referring to sounds more like an excuse for not being able to overcome the current market leaders.

Now... good or bad or whatever. If I had the opportunity to sell off Lotus and get filthy rich, I'd probably do it too. But I'm not hearing any new arguments in favor of open-source. Just the same trained responses. "How to talk to a proprietary software advocate 101."
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Obsolete
by objarchive January 17, 2005 11:51 AM PST
By the time Firefox grows to 10% of browser users, web browsers will be obsolete. Do you honestly think people will still use these text based, non-extensible simplistic tools in 5 years time? No way. We'll be running Pentium 6 computers with 4 GB of RAM over 8 MBps internet connections. Browsers will be relics of the past there.
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A browser by any other name..
by January 17, 2005 4:19 PM PST
is still a browser.

What do possible process speeds and memory capacities have to do with this? Besides, processor companies are finally getting smart and are no longer focusing on raw clock speeds as the primary motivation any more. What a processor can do inside each tick is what matters.
you forgot ...
by kakman1 February 13, 2005 10:08 PM PST
Uh, Brad, nice rundown on the hardware of the future (sounds like stuff that will be available in 2006) but you didn't say what will replace the browser. Firefox will be at 10% any day now Brad, and I do not see anyone making the browser obsolete just yet. Ease off the caffeinated beverages.
Obsolete
by objarchive January 17, 2005 11:51 AM PST
By the time Firefox grows to 10% of browser users, web browsers will be obsolete. Do you honestly think people will still use these text based, non-extensible simplistic tools in 5 years time? No way. We'll be running Pentium 6 computers with 4 GB of RAM over 8 MBps internet connections. Browsers will be relics of the past there.
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A browser by any other name..
by January 17, 2005 4:19 PM PST
is still a browser.

What do possible process speeds and memory capacities have to do with this? Besides, processor companies are finally getting smart and are no longer focusing on raw clock speeds as the primary motivation any more. What a processor can do inside each tick is what matters.
you forgot ...
by kakman1 February 13, 2005 10:08 PM PST
Uh, Brad, nice rundown on the hardware of the future (sounds like stuff that will be available in 2006) but you didn't say what will replace the browser. Firefox will be at 10% any day now Brad, and I do not see anyone making the browser obsolete just yet. Ease off the caffeinated beverages.
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