March 16, 2007 4:22 AM PDT

2007 world's warmest winter on record

This has been the world's warmest winter since record-keeping began more than a century ago, according to the U.S. government agency that tracks weather.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said Thursday that the combined global land and ocean surface temperature from December through February was at its highest since records began in 1880.

A record-warm January was responsible for pushing up the combined winter temperature, according to the agency's Web site,

"Contributing factors were the long-term trend toward warmer temperatures as well as a moderate El Nino in the Pacific," Jay Lawrimore of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said in a telephone interview from Asheville, N.C.

The next-warmest winter on record was in 2004, and the third warmest winter was in 1998, Lawrimore said.

The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

"We don't say this winter is evidence of the influence of greenhouse gases," Lawrimore said.

However, he noted that his center's work is part of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change process, which released a report on global warming last month that found climate change is occurring and that human activities quite likely play a role in the change.

"So we know as a part of that, the conclusions have been reached and the warming trend is due in part to rises in greenhouse gas emissions," Lawrimore said. "By looking at long-term trends and long-term changes, we are able to better understand natural and anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change."

The combined temperature for the December to February period was 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th century mean, the agency said. Lawrimore did not give an absolute temperature for the three-month period, and said the deviation from the mean was what was important. He did not provide the 20th century mean temperature.

Temperatures were above average for these months in Europe, Asia, western Africa, southeastern Brazil and the northeast half of the United States, with cooler-than-average conditions in parts of Saudi Arabia and the central United States.

Global temperature on land surface during the Northern Hemisphere winter was also the warmest on record, while the ocean-surface temperature tied for second warmest after the winter of 1997-98.

Over the past century, global surface temperatures have increased by about 0.11 degree Fahrenheit per decade, but the rate of increase has been three times larger since 1976--around 0.32 degree Fahrenheit per decade, with some of the biggest temperature rises in the high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere.

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Why is this posted on cnet?
Are we turning cnet into a political platform now? There is nothing in this article that has to do with the I/T industry. It doesn't belong here.
Posted by wfseube (22 comments )
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Huh ?
Last time I looked climatology was science - NOT politics.

Whether this is a technology or a science or technology website, is a different question.
Posted by DryHeatDave (79 comments )
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I think so
because global warming is not a science theory any more, it is a political theory now.

By the way, global warming is wrong, but climate change is right. Anyone using the words "global warming" are full of hot air and are a politician.

Warmest winter in 100 years? Why? Because the NOAA says so. Who are the NOAA? Scientists? Nope, they are a part of the US Department of Commerce with ties to many environmental companies and organizations who make a fortune off of promoting the "global warming" scare to sell carbon credits, alternative energy, and own stock in oil companies of which they raise the profits of by scaring people into thinking there is an oil shortage with peak oil as well. Science has nothing to do with it, politics and profit have everything to do with global warming.

Tell the NOAA to come to my house and help me scrap off this six inches of "global warming" from my driveway. It is cold to the touch, but the NOAA is claiming we never had it so warm for a hundred years.

Climate change tells us that temps are in flux between warm and cold due to many factors. The sun giving off more radiation, volcanoes giving off gasses, aerosol causing a hole in the ozone layer, storm systems like el Nino, and human behavior as well. That the Earth has had ice ages and warm periods for the past millions of years or so and we might be moving to smaller ice ages and smaller warming periods. Human behavior is the only thing we can control, but it is not the only factor causing climate change and climate change has happened before humans learned how to pollute.
Posted by Orion Blastar (590 comments )
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It's filler
When there's a slow news day at cnet, they use filler. Basically, it's a simple story which has nothing really to do with I/T but they figure since someone had to have used a computer to gather the data, that its relevant enough to post.

Just igmore it and move on to better news.
Posted by thedreaming (574 comments )
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Well
it was cold as hell in St. Louis this winter. We had 22 in a row of less than 20 degrees. Heck we had a whoping high of 43 today.
Posted by Lindy01 (444 comments )
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Whereas
Whereas we had 99F in Phoenix yesterday
Posted by DryHeatDave (79 comments )
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Sack of hammers...
Local temperatures are not an indication of global temperatures. If it's getting colder, why are the arctic ice shelves melting, genius?


<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600" target="_newWindow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600</a>
&#38;en=40cadc790d174dc4&#38;ei=5070

Science Panel Calls Global Warming ?Unequivocal?

PARIS, Feb. 2 ? In a grim and powerful assessment of the future of the
planet, the leading international network of climate scientists has
concluded for the first time that global warming is ?unequivocal? and that
human activity is the main driver, ?very likely? causing most of the rise in
temperatures since 1950.

They said the world was in for centuries of climbing temperatures, rising
seas and shifting weather patterns ? unavoidable results of the buildup of
heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.

But their report, released here on Friday by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change, said warming and its harmful consequences could be
substantially blunted by prompt action.

While the report provided scant new evidence of a climate apocalypse now,
and while it expressly avoided recommending courses of action, officials
from the United Nations agencies that created the panel in 1988 said it
spoke of the urgent need to limit looming and momentous risks.

?In our daily lives we all respond urgently to dangers that are much less
likely than climate change to affect the future of our children,? said Achim
Steiner, executive director of the United Nations Environment Program, which
administers the panel along with the World Meteorological Organization.

?Feb. 2 will be remembered as the date when uncertainty was removed as to
whether humans had anything to do with climate change on this planet,? he
went on. ?The evidence is on the table.?

The report is the panel?s fourth assessment since 1990 on the causes and
consequences of climate change, but it is the first in which the group
asserts with near certainty ? more than 90 percent confidence ? that carbon
dioxide and other greenhouse gases from human activities have been the main
causes of warming in the past half century.

In its last report, in 2001, the panel, consisting of hundreds of scientists
and reviewers, said the confidence level for its projections was ?likely,?
or 66 to 90 percent. That level has now been raised to ?very likely,? better
than 90 percent. Both reports are online at www.ipcc.ch.

The Bush administration, which until recently avoided directly accepting
that humans were warming the planet in potentially harmful ways, embraced
the findings, which had been approved by representatives from the United
States and 112 other countries on Thursday night.

Administration officials asserted Friday that the United States had played a
leading role in studying and combating climate change, in part by an
investment of an average of almost $5 billion a year for the past six years
in research and tax incentives for new technologies.

At the same time, Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman rejected the idea of
unilateral limits on emissions. ?We are a small contributor to the overall,
when you look at the rest of the world, so it?s really got to be a global
solution,? he said.

The United States, with about 5 percent of the world?s population,
contributes about a quarter of greenhouse gas emissions, more than any other
country.

Democratic lawmakers quickly fired off a round of news releases using the
report to bolster a fresh flock of proposed bills aimed at cutting emissions
of greenhouse gases. Senator James M. Inhofe, the Oklahoma Republican who
has called the idea of dangerous human-driven warming a hoax, issued a news
release headed ?Corruption of Science? that rejected the report as ?a
political document.?

The new report says the global climate is likely to warm 3.5 to 8 degrees
Fahrenheit if carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere reach twice
the levels of 1750, before the Industrial Revolution.

Many energy and environment experts see such a doubling, or worse, as a
foregone conclusion after 2050 unless there is a prompt and sustained shift
away from the 20th-century pattern of unfettered burning of coal and oil,
the main sources of carbon dioxide, and an aggressive expansion of
nonpolluting sources of energy.

And the report says there is a more than a 1-in-10 chance of much greater
warming, a risk that many experts say is far too high to ignore.

Even a level of warming that falls in the middle of the group?s range of
projections would be likely to cause significant stress to ecosystems,
according to many climate experts and biologists. And it would alter
longstanding climate patterns that shape water supplies and agricultural
production.

Moreover, the warming has set in motion a rise in global sea levels, the
report says. It forecasts a rise of 7 to 23 inches by 2100 and concludes
that seas will continue to rise for at least 1,000 years to come. By
comparison, seas rose about 6 to 9 inches in the 20th century.

John P. Holdren, an energy and climate expert at Harvard, said the report
?powerfully underscores the need for a massive effort to slow the pace of
global climatic disruption before intolerable consequences become
inevitable.?

?Since 2001, there has been a torrent of new scientific evidence on the
magnitude, human origins and growing impacts of the climatic changes that
are under way,? said Mr. Holdren, who is the president of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science. ?In overwhelming proportions,
this evidence has been in the direction of showing faster change, more
danger and greater confidence about the dominant role of fossil-fuel burning
and tropical deforestation in causing the changes that are being observed.?

The conclusions came after a three-year review of hundreds of studies of
past climate shifts; observations of retreating ice, warming and rising
seas, and other changes around the planet; and a greatly expanded suite of
supercomputer simulations used to test how the earth will respond to a
growing blanket of gases that hold heat in the atmosphere.

The section released Friday was a 20-page summary for policymakers, which
was approved early in the morning by teams of officials from more than 100
countries after three days and nights of wrangling over wording with the
lead authors, all of whom are scientists.

It described far-flung ramifications for both humans and nature.

?It is very likely that hot extremes, heat waves and heavy precipitation
events will continue to become more frequent,? said the summary.

Generally, the scientists said, more precipitation will fall at higher
latitudes, which are also likely to see lengthened growing seasons.
Semi-arid subtropical regions, already chronically plagued by drought, could
have a further 20 percent drop in rainfall under the panel?s midrange
outlook for increases in the greenhouse gases.

The summary added a new chemical consequence of the buildup of carbon
dioxide to the list of mainly climatic and biological effects foreseen in
its previous reports: a drop in the pH of seawater as oceans absorb billions
of tons of carbon dioxide, which forms carbonic acid when partly dissolved.
The ocean would stay alkaline, but marine biologists have said that a change
in the direction of acidity could imperil some kinds of corals and plankton.

The report essentially caps a half-century-long effort to discern whether
humans, through the buildup of carbon dioxide and other gases released
mainly by burning fuels and forests, could influence the earth?s climate
system in potentially momentous ways.

The group operates under the aegis of the United Nations and was chartered
in 1988 ? a year of record heat, burning forests and the first big headlines
about global warming ? to provide regular reviews of climate science to
governments to inform policy choices.

Government officials are involved in shaping the summary of each report, but
the scientist-authors, who are unpaid, have the final say over the thousands
of pages in four underlying technical reports that will be completed and
published later this year.

Big questions remain about the speed and extent of some impending changes,
both because of uncertainty about future population and pollution trends and
the complex interrelationships of the greenhouse emissions, clouds, dusty
kinds of pollution, the oceans and earth?s veneer of life, which both emits
and soaks up carbon dioxide and other such gases.

But a broad array of scientists, including authors of the report and
independent experts, said the latest analysis was the most sobering view yet
of a century of transition ? after thousands of years of relatively stable
climate conditions ? to a new norm of continual change.

Should greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere at even a
moderate pace, average temperatures by the end of the century could match
those last seen 125,000 years ago, in the previous warm spell between ice
ages, the report said.

At that time, the panel said, sea levels were 12 to 20 feet higher than they
are now. Much of that extra water is now trapped in the ice sheets of
Greenland and Antarctica, which are eroding in some places.

The panel said there was no solid scientific understanding of how rapidly
the vast stores of ice in polar regions will melt, so their estimates on new
sea levels were based mainly on how much the warmed oceans will expand, and
not on contributions from the melting of ice now on land.

Other scientists have recently reported evidence that the glaciers and ice
sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic could flow seaward far more quickly than
estimated in the past, and they have proposed that the risks to coastal
areas could be much more imminent. But the climate change panel is forbidden
by its charter to enter into speculation, and so could not include such
possible instabilities in its assessment.

Michel Jarraud, the secretary general of the United Nations World
Meteorological Organization, said the lack of clarity should offer no one
comfort. ?The speed with which melting ice sheets are raising sea levels is
uncertain, but the report makes clear that sea levels will rise inexorably
over the coming centuries,? he said. ?It is a question of when and how much,
and not if.?

The warming and other climate changes will be highly variable around the
world, with the Arctic in particular seeing much higher temperatures, said
Susan Solomon, the co-leader of the team writing the summary and the section
of the panel?s report on basic science. She is an atmospheric scientist for
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The kinds of vulnerabilities are very much dependent on where you are, Dr.
Solomon said in a telephone interview. ?If you?re living in parts of the
tropics and they?re getting drier and you?re a farmer, there are some very
acute issues associated with even small changes in rainfall ? changes we?re
already seeing are significant,? she said. ?If you are an Inuit and you?re
seeing your sea ice retreating already, that?s affecting your life style and
culture.?

The 20-page summary is a sketch of the findings that are most germane to the
public and world leaders.

The full report, thousands of pages of technical background, will be
released in four sections through the year ? the first on basic science,
then sections on impacts and options for limiting emissions and limiting
inevitable harms, and finally a synthesis of all of the findings near year?s
end.

In a news conference in Paris, Dr. Solomon declined to provide her own views
on how society should respond to the momentous changes projected in the
study.

?I honestly believe that it would be a much better service for me to keep
my personal opinions separate than what I can actually offer the world as a
scientist,? she said. ?My stepson, who is 29, has an utterly different view
of risks than I do. People are going to have to make their own judgments.?

Some authors of the report said that no one could honestly point to any
remaining uncertainties as justification for further delay.

?Policy makers paid us to do good science, and now we have very high
scientific confidence in this work ? this is real, this is real, this is
real,? said Richard B. Alley, one of the lead authors and a professor at
Pennsylvania State University. ?So now act, the ball?s back in your court.?
Posted by mn39202 (32 comments )
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Surprise, surprise...
What a big surprise? To bad not to many people care or does
anything to help stop/slow down global warming... What about the
president of the "United States"?... Maybe he will help stop/slow
down Global Warming?... Yah Right... He doesnt give a $hit!
Posted by MauiMac (27 comments )
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Earth warms up, earth cools down
I find it interesting that most of the warming this century occured before 1940, and before industrialization even started to release meaningful amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. If you want a interesting rebuttal to global warming that is actually quite startling, google "The Great Global Warming Swindle" and watch it. It is a British TV programme that raises some incredibly damaging problems to the CO2 global warming theory. The current theory of global warming HAS been falsified, and it must either be reformulated or junked.
Posted by C_G_K (169 comments )
Reply Link Flag
See for yourself
Here is a link to the program I mentioned. Somebody's got some explaining to do I would say. How can this theory in it's present form continue to be reported as "truth" (as in inconvenient truth) when it has already clearly been falsified. Don't take my word for it, see for yourself here:

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831" target="_newWindow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831</a>
Posted by C_G_K (169 comments )
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Get your facts straight.
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600" target="_newWindow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600</a>
&#38;en=40cadc790d174dc4&#38;ei=5070

Science Panel Calls Global Warming ?Unequivocal?

PARIS, Feb. 2 ? In a grim and powerful assessment of the future of the
planet, the leading international network of climate scientists has
concluded for the first time that global warming is ?unequivocal? and that
human activity is the main driver, ?very likely? causing most of the rise in
temperatures since 1950.

They said the world was in for centuries of climbing temperatures, rising
seas and shifting weather patterns ? unavoidable results of the buildup of
heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.

But their report, released here on Friday by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change, said warming and its harmful consequences could be
substantially blunted by prompt action.

While the report provided scant new evidence of a climate apocalypse now,
and while it expressly avoided recommending courses of action, officials
from the United Nations agencies that created the panel in 1988 said it
spoke of the urgent need to limit looming and momentous risks.

?In our daily lives we all respond urgently to dangers that are much less
likely than climate change to affect the future of our children,? said Achim
Steiner, executive director of the United Nations Environment Program, which
administers the panel along with the World Meteorological Organization.

?Feb. 2 will be remembered as the date when uncertainty was removed as to
whether humans had anything to do with climate change on this planet,? he
went on. ?The evidence is on the table.?

The report is the panel?s fourth assessment since 1990 on the causes and
consequences of climate change, but it is the first in which the group
asserts with near certainty ? more than 90 percent confidence ? that carbon
dioxide and other greenhouse gases from human activities have been the main
causes of warming in the past half century.

In its last report, in 2001, the panel, consisting of hundreds of scientists
and reviewers, said the confidence level for its projections was ?likely,?
or 66 to 90 percent. That level has now been raised to ?very likely,? better
than 90 percent. Both reports are online at www.ipcc.ch.

The Bush administration, which until recently avoided directly accepting
that humans were warming the planet in potentially harmful ways, embraced
the findings, which had been approved by representatives from the United
States and 112 other countries on Thursday night.

Administration officials asserted Friday that the United States had played a
leading role in studying and combating climate change, in part by an
investment of an average of almost $5 billion a year for the past six years
in research and tax incentives for new technologies.

At the same time, Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman rejected the idea of
unilateral limits on emissions. ?We are a small contributor to the overall,
when you look at the rest of the world, so it?s really got to be a global
solution,? he said.

The United States, with about 5 percent of the world?s population,
contributes about a quarter of greenhouse gas emissions, more than any other
country.

Democratic lawmakers quickly fired off a round of news releases using the
report to bolster a fresh flock of proposed bills aimed at cutting emissions
of greenhouse gases. Senator James M. Inhofe, the Oklahoma Republican who
has called the idea of dangerous human-driven warming a hoax, issued a news
release headed ?Corruption of Science? that rejected the report as ?a
political document.?

The new report says the global climate is likely to warm 3.5 to 8 degrees
Fahrenheit if carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere reach twice
the levels of 1750, before the Industrial Revolution.

Many energy and environment experts see such a doubling, or worse, as a
foregone conclusion after 2050 unless there is a prompt and sustained shift
away from the 20th-century pattern of unfettered burning of coal and oil,
the main sources of carbon dioxide, and an aggressive expansion of
nonpolluting sources of energy.

And the report says there is a more than a 1-in-10 chance of much greater
warming, a risk that many experts say is far too high to ignore.

Even a level of warming that falls in the middle of the group?s range of
projections would be likely to cause significant stress to ecosystems,
according to many climate experts and biologists. And it would alter
longstanding climate patterns that shape water supplies and agricultural
production.

Moreover, the warming has set in motion a rise in global sea levels, the
report says. It forecasts a rise of 7 to 23 inches by 2100 and concludes
that seas will continue to rise for at least 1,000 years to come. By
comparison, seas rose about 6 to 9 inches in the 20th century.

John P. Holdren, an energy and climate expert at Harvard, said the report
?powerfully underscores the need for a massive effort to slow the pace of
global climatic disruption before intolerable consequences become
inevitable.?

?Since 2001, there has been a torrent of new scientific evidence on the
magnitude, human origins and growing impacts of the climatic changes that
are under way,? said Mr. Holdren, who is the president of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science. ?In overwhelming proportions,
this evidence has been in the direction of showing faster change, more
danger and greater confidence about the dominant role of fossil-fuel burning
and tropical deforestation in causing the changes that are being observed.?

The conclusions came after a three-year review of hundreds of studies of
past climate shifts; observations of retreating ice, warming and rising
seas, and other changes around the planet; and a greatly expanded suite of
supercomputer simulations used to test how the earth will respond to a
growing blanket of gases that hold heat in the atmosphere.

The section released Friday was a 20-page summary for policymakers, which
was approved early in the morning by teams of officials from more than 100
countries after three days and nights of wrangling over wording with the
lead authors, all of whom are scientists.

It described far-flung ramifications for both humans and nature.

?It is very likely that hot extremes, heat waves and heavy precipitation
events will continue to become more frequent,? said the summary.

Generally, the scientists said, more precipitation will fall at higher
latitudes, which are also likely to see lengthened growing seasons.
Semi-arid subtropical regions, already chronically plagued by drought, could
have a further 20 percent drop in rainfall under the panel?s midrange
outlook for increases in the greenhouse gases.

The summary added a new chemical consequence of the buildup of carbon
dioxide to the list of mainly climatic and biological effects foreseen in
its previous reports: a drop in the pH of seawater as oceans absorb billions
of tons of carbon dioxide, which forms carbonic acid when partly dissolved.
The ocean would stay alkaline, but marine biologists have said that a change
in the direction of acidity could imperil some kinds of corals and plankton.

The report essentially caps a half-century-long effort to discern whether
humans, through the buildup of carbon dioxide and other gases released
mainly by burning fuels and forests, could influence the earth?s climate
system in potentially momentous ways.

The group operates under the aegis of the United Nations and was chartered
in 1988 ? a year of record heat, burning forests and the first big headlines
about global warming ? to provide regular reviews of climate science to
governments to inform policy choices.

Government officials are involved in shaping the summary of each report, but
the scientist-authors, who are unpaid, have the final say over the thousands
of pages in four underlying technical reports that will be completed and
published later this year.

Big questions remain about the speed and extent of some impending changes,
both because of uncertainty about future population and pollution trends and
the complex interrelationships of the greenhouse emissions, clouds, dusty
kinds of pollution, the oceans and earth?s veneer of life, which both emits
and soaks up carbon dioxide and other such gases.

But a broad array of scientists, including authors of the report and
independent experts, said the latest analysis was the most sobering view yet
of a century of transition ? after thousands of years of relatively stable
climate conditions ? to a new norm of continual change.

Should greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere at even a
moderate pace, average temperatures by the end of the century could match
those last seen 125,000 years ago, in the previous warm spell between ice
ages, the report said.

At that time, the panel said, sea levels were 12 to 20 feet higher than they
are now. Much of that extra water is now trapped in the ice sheets of
Greenland and Antarctica, which are eroding in some places.

The panel said there was no solid scientific understanding of how rapidly
the vast stores of ice in polar regions will melt, so their estimates on new
sea levels were based mainly on how much the warmed oceans will expand, and
not on contributions from the melting of ice now on land.

Other scientists have recently reported evidence that the glaciers and ice
sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic could flow seaward far more quickly than
estimated in the past, and they have proposed that the risks to coastal
areas could be much more imminent. But the climate change panel is forbidden
by its charter to enter into speculation, and so could not include such
possible instabilities in its assessment.

Michel Jarraud, the secretary general of the United Nations World
Meteorological Organization, said the lack of clarity should offer no one
comfort. ?The speed with which melting ice sheets are raising sea levels is
uncertain, but the report makes clear that sea levels will rise inexorably
over the coming centuries,? he said. ?It is a question of when and how much,
and not if.?

The warming and other climate changes will be highly variable around the
world, with the Arctic in particular seeing much higher temperatures, said
Susan Solomon, the co-leader of the team writing the summary and the section
of the panel?s report on basic science. She is an atmospheric scientist for
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The kinds of vulnerabilities are very much dependent on where you are, Dr.
Solomon said in a telephone interview. ?If you?re living in parts of the
tropics and they?re getting drier and you?re a farmer, there are some very
acute issues associated with even small changes in rainfall ? changes we?re
already seeing are significant,? she said. ?If you are an Inuit and you?re
seeing your sea ice retreating already, that?s affecting your life style and
culture.?

The 20-page summary is a sketch of the findings that are most germane to the
public and world leaders.

The full report, thousands of pages of technical background, will be
released in four sections through the year ? the first on basic science,
then sections on impacts and options for limiting emissions and limiting
inevitable harms, and finally a synthesis of all of the findings near year?s
end.

In a news conference in Paris, Dr. Solomon declined to provide her own views
on how society should respond to the momentous changes projected in the
study.

?I honestly believe that it would be a much better service for me to keep
my personal opinions separate than what I can actually offer the world as a
scientist,? she said. ?My stepson, who is 29, has an utterly different view
of risks than I do. People are going to have to make their own judgments.?

Some authors of the report said that no one could honestly point to any
remaining uncertainties as justification for further delay.

?Policy makers paid us to do good science, and now we have very high
scientific confidence in this work ? this is real, this is real, this is
real,? said Richard B. Alley, one of the lead authors and a professor at
Pennsylvania State University. ?So now act, the ball?s back in your court.?
Posted by mn39202 (32 comments )
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the Iraq $$s should instead be urgently spent of new clean energy sources..
otherwise, if we dont perish in the 'Bush'-fire... the earth will surely write our last chapter
Posted by alwaysaware (4 comments )
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OAMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIEEEEEEE!
Whatever, dude.

Here's a clue: Barring a direct asteroidal impact or the Sun imploding, global-sized changes take time - time enough at least to actually study the issue, and not fall prey to hysterical propaganda.

Enough of this wolf-crying hysteria already.

/P
Posted by Penguinisto (5058 comments )
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Glaciers are melting on Mars too.
Is Bush responsible for global warming on Mars?
Posted by lingsun (478 comments )
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Exactly
NASA reported, more than 2 years ago, that Mars is experiencing
"global warming" in direct proportion to what the Earth has noticed.
Only the most politically correct of today's extremists can deny
science and embrace the religion of the Left Wingers, and say that,
even though we've had dozens of "warmth/freeze" cycles over 4
billion years of Earth's history", that somehow, everything today is
Bush's fault.
Posted by GGGlen (493 comments )
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lingsun you fool . . .
. . . Bush is definately NOT the cause of global warming on Mars!
It's those damn SUV driving "Martian Soccer Moms" causing all that
global warming on Mars!

Get your facts straight! . . . (^o~)
Posted by K.P.C. (227 comments )
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Read the article
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600" target="_newWindow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1172379600</a>
&#38;en=40cadc790d174dc4&#38;ei=5070

Science Panel Calls Global Warming ?Unequivocal?

PARIS, Feb. 2 ? In a grim and powerful assessment of the future of the
planet, the leading international network of climate scientists has
concluded for the first time that global warming is ?unequivocal? and that
human activity is the main driver, ?very likely? causing most of the rise in
temperatures since 1950.

They said the world was in for centuries of climbing temperatures, rising
seas and shifting weather patterns ? unavoidable results of the buildup of
heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere.

But their report, released here on Friday by the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change, said warming and its harmful consequences could be
substantially blunted by prompt action.

While the report provided scant new evidence of a climate apocalypse now,
and while it expressly avoided recommending courses of action, officials
from the United Nations agencies that created the panel in 1988 said it
spoke of the urgent need to limit looming and momentous risks.

?In our daily lives we all respond urgently to dangers that are much less
likely than climate change to affect the future of our children,? said Achim
Steiner, executive director of the United Nations Environment Program, which
administers the panel along with the World Meteorological Organization.

?Feb. 2 will be remembered as the date when uncertainty was removed as to
whether humans had anything to do with climate change on this planet,? he
went on. ?The evidence is on the table.?

The report is the panel?s fourth assessment since 1990 on the causes and
consequences of climate change, but it is the first in which the group
asserts with near certainty ? more than 90 percent confidence ? that carbon
dioxide and other greenhouse gases from human activities have been the main
causes of warming in the past half century.

In its last report, in 2001, the panel, consisting of hundreds of scientists
and reviewers, said the confidence level for its projections was ?likely,?
or 66 to 90 percent. That level has now been raised to ?very likely,? better
than 90 percent. Both reports are online at www.ipcc.ch.

The Bush administration, which until recently avoided directly accepting
that humans were warming the planet in potentially harmful ways, embraced
the findings, which had been approved by representatives from the United
States and 112 other countries on Thursday night.

Administration officials asserted Friday that the United States had played a
leading role in studying and combating climate change, in part by an
investment of an average of almost $5 billion a year for the past six years
in research and tax incentives for new technologies.

At the same time, Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman rejected the idea of
unilateral limits on emissions. ?We are a small contributor to the overall,
when you look at the rest of the world, so it?s really got to be a global
solution,? he said.

The United States, with about 5 percent of the world?s population,
contributes about a quarter of greenhouse gas emissions, more than any other
country.

Democratic lawmakers quickly fired off a round of news releases using the
report to bolster a fresh flock of proposed bills aimed at cutting emissions
of greenhouse gases. Senator James M. Inhofe, the Oklahoma Republican who
has called the idea of dangerous human-driven warming a hoax, issued a news
release headed ?Corruption of Science? that rejected the report as ?a
political document.?

The new report says the global climate is likely to warm 3.5 to 8 degrees
Fahrenheit if carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere reach twice
the levels of 1750, before the Industrial Revolution.

Many energy and environment experts see such a doubling, or worse, as a
foregone conclusion after 2050 unless there is a prompt and sustained shift
away from the 20th-century pattern of unfettered burning of coal and oil,
the main sources of carbon dioxide, and an aggressive expansion of
nonpolluting sources of energy.

And the report says there is a more than a 1-in-10 chance of much greater
warming, a risk that many experts say is far too high to ignore.

Even a level of warming that falls in the middle of the group?s range of
projections would be likely to cause significant stress to ecosystems,
according to many climate experts and biologists. And it would alter
longstanding climate patterns that shape water supplies and agricultural
production.

Moreover, the warming has set in motion a rise in global sea levels, the
report says. It forecasts a rise of 7 to 23 inches by 2100 and concludes
that seas will continue to rise for at least 1,000 years to come. By
comparison, seas rose about 6 to 9 inches in the 20th century.

John P. Holdren, an energy and climate expert at Harvard, said the report
?powerfully underscores the need for a massive effort to slow the pace of
global climatic disruption before intolerable consequences become
inevitable.?

?Since 2001, there has been a torrent of new scientific evidence on the
magnitude, human origins and growing impacts of the climatic changes that
are under way,? said Mr. Holdren, who is the president of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science. ?In overwhelming proportions,
this evidence has been in the direction of showing faster change, more
danger and greater confidence about the dominant role of fossil-fuel burning
and tropical deforestation in causing the changes that are being observed.?

The conclusions came after a three-year review of hundreds of studies of
past climate shifts; observations of retreating ice, warming and rising
seas, and other changes around the planet; and a greatly expanded suite of
supercomputer simulations used to test how the earth will respond to a
growing blanket of gases that hold heat in the atmosphere.

The section released Friday was a 20-page summary for policymakers, which
was approved early in the morning by teams of officials from more than 100
countries after three days and nights of wrangling over wording with the
lead authors, all of whom are scientists.

It described far-flung ramifications for both humans and nature.

?It is very likely that hot extremes, heat waves and heavy precipitation
events will continue to become more frequent,? said the summary.

Generally, the scientists said, more precipitation will fall at higher
latitudes, which are also likely to see lengthened growing seasons.
Semi-arid subtropical regions, already chronically plagued by drought, could
have a further 20 percent drop in rainfall under the panel?s midrange
outlook for increases in the greenhouse gases.

The summary added a new chemical consequence of the buildup of carbon
dioxide to the list of mainly climatic and biological effects foreseen in
its previous reports: a drop in the pH of seawater as oceans absorb billions
of tons of carbon dioxide, which forms carbonic acid when partly dissolved.
The ocean would stay alkaline, but marine biologists have said that a change
in the direction of acidity could imperil some kinds of corals and plankton.

The report essentially caps a half-century-long effort to discern whether
humans, through the buildup of carbon dioxide and other gases released
mainly by burning fuels and forests, could influence the earth?s climate
system in potentially momentous ways.

The group operates under the aegis of the United Nations and was chartered
in 1988 ? a year of record heat, burning forests and the first big headlines
about global warming ? to provide regular reviews of climate science to
governments to inform policy choices.

Government officials are involved in shaping the summary of each report, but
the scientist-authors, who are unpaid, have the final say over the thousands
of pages in four underlying technical reports that will be completed and
published later this year.

Big questions remain about the speed and extent of some impending changes,
both because of uncertainty about future population and pollution trends and
the complex interrelationships of the greenhouse emissions, clouds, dusty
kinds of pollution, the oceans and earth?s veneer of life, which both emits
and soaks up carbon dioxide and other such gases.

But a broad array of scientists, including authors of the report and
independent experts, said the latest analysis was the most sobering view yet
of a century of transition ? after thousands of years of relatively stable
climate conditions ? to a new norm of continual change.

Should greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere at even a
moderate pace, average temperatures by the end of the century could match
those last seen 125,000 years ago, in the previous warm spell between ice
ages, the report said.

At that time, the panel said, sea levels were 12 to 20 feet higher than they
are now. Much of that extra water is now trapped in the ice sheets of
Greenland and Antarctica, which are eroding in some places.

The panel said there was no solid scientific understanding of how rapidly
the vast stores of ice in polar regions will melt, so their estimates on new
sea levels were based mainly on how much the warmed oceans will expand, and
not on contributions from the melting of ice now on land.

Other scientists have recently reported evidence that the glaciers and ice
sheets in the Arctic and Antarctic could flow seaward far more quickly than
estimated in the past, and they have proposed that the risks to coastal
areas could be much more imminent. But the climate change panel is forbidden
by its charter to enter into speculation, and so could not include such
possible instabilities in its assessment.

Michel Jarraud, the secretary general of the United Nations World
Meteorological Organization, said the lack of clarity should offer no one
comfort. ?The speed with which melting ice sheets are raising sea levels is
uncertain, but the report makes clear that sea levels will rise inexorably
over the coming centuries,? he said. ?It is a question of when and how much,
and not if.?

The warming and other climate changes will be highly variable around the
world, with the Arctic in particular seeing much higher temperatures, said
Susan Solomon, the co-leader of the team writing the summary and the section
of the panel?s report on basic science. She is an atmospheric scientist for
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The kinds of vulnerabilities are very much dependent on where you are, Dr.
Solomon said in a telephone interview. ?If you?re living in parts of the
tropics and they?re getting drier and you?re a farmer, there are some very
acute issues associated with even small changes in rainfall ? changes we?re
already seeing are significant,? she said. ?If you are an Inuit and you?re
seeing your sea ice retreating already, that?s affecting your life style and
culture.?

The 20-page summary is a sketch of the findings that are most germane to the
public and world leaders.

The full report, thousands of pages of technical background, will be
released in four sections through the year ? the first on basic science,
then sections on impacts and options for limiting emissions and limiting
inevitable harms, and finally a synthesis of all of the findings near year?s
end.

In a news conference in Paris, Dr. Solomon declined to provide her own views
on how society should respond to the momentous changes projected in the
study.

?I honestly believe that it would be a much better service for me to keep
my personal opinions separate than what I can actually offer the world as a
scientist,? she said. ?My stepson, who is 29, has an utterly different view
of risks than I do. People are going to have to make their own judgments.?

Some authors of the report said that no one could honestly point to any
remaining uncertainties as justification for further delay.

?Policy makers paid us to do good science, and now we have very high
scientific confidence in this work ? this is real, this is real, this is
real,? said Richard B. Alley, one of the lead authors and a professor at
Pennsylvania State University. ?So now act, the ball?s back in your court.?
Posted by mn39202 (32 comments )
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Global Warming by CO2 a Bunch of Hooey
The public has been "Gored" long enough. Now that real scientists are coming out with the truth, they are being threatened by left wing extremists who don't tow the party line. Read about it here...

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml" target="_newWindow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml</a>
Posted by WJeansonne (480 comments )
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HOOEY???
Suggest you read the article again, this time carefully. There was no
mention of CO2.
Posted by eashamer (1 comment )
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Here's the link
See and judge for yourself at this link:

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831" target="_newWindow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831</a>
Posted by C_G_K (169 comments )
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Only half of the world.....
here in the deep south (southern hemisphere) we haven't had winter as yet, that aside, it's comforting to see us southerners cruise past under your radar. Don't call us, we'll call you.
Posted by m.o.t.u. (97 comments )
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Where's the data
I'd like to see the data that made them come to that conclusion. I remember freezes that destroyed plants and citrus crops in the southwest. I remeber mountains of snow in the northwest. Heck I even remember a meeting on global warming being cancelled because of a blizzard. As for where I live, in the central U.S., this has been one of the harshest winters in my memory. I for one am tired of being fed line after line of b.s that doesn't hold to logic or tangeble expirience. Must have been warmer everywhere else, except that weather patterns CIRCLE THE GLOBE!!! I'd like to see the data before I believe one more line of the hysterical, politically motivated, wing nuts that keep coming up with this tripe.
Posted by suyts (824 comments )
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The data was collected
by companies and organizations that are pro-global warming and benefit from promoting global warming in selling carbon credits, alternative energy, and books and videos on global warming. Then collected, studied, and fudged in their favor, and then given to the NOAA for distribution even thought it does not follow the scientific method and is heavily biased. The NOAA itself is not a scientific agency, but rather part of the US Chamber of Commerce which tries to pass itself off as a science agency despite not being qualified to be one and obviously taking biased data from companies and organizations that profit from promoting global warming as true. You see the Chamber of Commerce wants companies and organizations to turn a profit, to bring more money into the economy. That is the motivation behind promoting global warming and data that shows this is the warmest winter ever in the history of a hundred years using heavily biased data to show it.

Go ahead, ask for data from a third party, non-biased scientific lab that does not profit from promoting global warming or being skeptical of global warming and follows the scientific method. You won't find such a lab, because they are all biased in one way or the other. Due to lack of non-biased evidence, there is no credible evidence to show that the globe is warming or cooling or staying the same.

They ignore data like flights being delayed due to massive amounts of ice. They ignore cities getting hit with six inches of ice. They ignore record cold spells. They just reject all of that data, and then fudge the results to say well we had the warmest winter in one hundred years. I mean sure, if you throw out all of the record cold temperatures, take all of the high temperatures and reject all of the temperatures in the middle, and then show data based on the high temperatures, it can look like the warmest winter in one hundred years then. That is exactly what they did, ignore all data that disproves their theory.
Posted by Orion Blastar (590 comments )
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was not very warm here...
to be honest i spent the past few years in the middle east and i must say it was very cold here...i dont know where was it warm :D
Posted by LoreleiWeb (1 comment )
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6 cords of wood
normally i go through 3-5 cords of wood, i've gone through 6 and am almost out..... because it's so warm right?

go to weather.com and review february averages vs this year, most nights it's about 20 degrees below the average and the daytime highs are too.

just because the first half of january was very warm and boosted the average, it doesn't mean it was a warm winter. we've been FREEZING for 2 months since.
Posted by sadchild (259 comments )
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like tomorrow night
tomorrow night:
Low: 7°F
Clear and bitterly cold

tomorrow night's average:
Nml Low: 24°F

oh yeah, i'm feeling that warmest winter ever. let me grab my shorts and t-shirt...
Posted by sadchild (259 comments )
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Yes, No, and Maybe.
IMHO, I suspect that maybe, just maybe, we all need to sit back and wait for an actual consensus (not the politicized ones, or the result of Al Gore screaming "They all agree!"... I mean a no-kidding consensus).

First off, "...on record" doesn't mean as much as most people think. It wasn't until the mid-20th century that anyone could even hope to maintain records accurate enough to be called scientific, as earlier instruments and recording methods were crude at best. Ice cores and etc. aren't perfectly reliable either, as they rely on a lot of assumptions, and all contributing factors are definitely not knowm.

Does this mean I'm discounting it all entirely? No. I believe it does need a closer look - one w/o all the politicization and ideology involved.

Science is hampered enough by panicked cries and dire predictions. It's time to throttle that back and get some facts. Not propaganda disguised as fact, but real, honest facts.

Some may scream in response "there's no time! Look at what is at stake!" Well, question is - what exactly is at stake? Flooding? Current measurements of all the world's ice shows that at most, if all ice on Planet Earth melted, sea levels would rise by a whopping 30 feet (Sorry Kevin Costner, but your 'Waterworld' scenario ain't happening). Since this wouldn't happen all at once, I suspect that we would have more than enough time to move people and their stuff to higher ground.

So maybe the fear is the dreaded 'Desertification'? Well, not so fast... more atmospheric heat means more moisture, which in turn means that perhaps instead of desertification, you would have a greater chance of getting less desert out of the deal as rains move in to areas where it's never rained before. Some would call that a good thing, methinks (and proof of this occurring is already showing in Africa, incidentally...)

Coupled with the fact (yes, fact) that the Earth was far, far warmer in the distant past (as well as far, far colder)? I don't think we need to panic just yet. We still have plenty of time to actually do some research into this, and not just jump whenever some politician or enviro-extremist group tells us we should.

We should also not ignore it all either. Let's really look at it, and look for benefits as well as pitfalls, because odds are good that there's not much, if anything, that we can do about it, assuming that global climate is indeed on the upswing.

Finally, enough of the hype. Televised propaganda showing a child about to be hit by a moving train (an allegory based on incomplete assumptions at best) serves no one. Global-sized changes take a long time, and I sincerely doubt that we're going to kill our descendants by taking the time to study things right. Truth is, we might put them in greater jeopardy by panicking towards something we may not yet know the full story on.

/P
Posted by Penguinisto (5058 comments )
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30 Feet
You do know that a 30 foot rise in sea levels would be pretty
devastating, right?

As for panicing... No we don't need to panic. Panic is bad an
produces some of the inane comments we've seen here. We do
need to be cautious though. We also have to understand that
even if this is 'natural' variation its still a monumental challenge
and one that needs to be taken very seriously.

Too many people seem to be saying "oh its natural, nothing we
can do, might was well watch American Idol". Fires, floods,
earthquakes, disease, tornadoes are natural as well. I don't think
any of these people would say that we don't have to be
concerned about these things.
Posted by rapier1 (2646 comments )
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Weather is local and global
Okay, so some people here are saying "It couldn't have been the
warmest winter on record. I was freaking freezing!"

Which is completely idiotic. Measures of the 'warmth' of a winter
are determined by averaging weather over *large* areas and over
long periods of time. Its not just about how cold this past month
was in Duluth but the temperature over many months over large
areas of the world. In fact, the article states that US temps were
around average but the global temp was .7C above the global
mean for the past 100 years.

Oh and to the person who said this must be a conspiracy. You
do understand that NOAA is a federal agency right? Its part of
the US Chamber of Commerce and hardly an agnecy that would
be banging the global warming drum (the term doesn't even
appear in the report). In fact, if you read the article you might
have found this out.
Posted by rapier1 (2646 comments )
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Natural Variation
Lets say some large portion of this is natural variation. So? Will
that make this any less dangerous? Does it make CO2 any less of
a greenhouse gas or potential contributor to the problem?

Look at it this way. Floods are natural and part of the weather
cycle. However, people can make floods more devastating by
denuding landscapes of vegetation which help retain soil which
helps retain excess water. Does this mean stripping out
vegetation *causes* floods? Not always but it definitely,
inarguably, makes them worse. As such, only an idiot would
build their house at the bottom of a hill they stripped all the
plant life from. Since we have control over the plant life on this
hill we can help mitgate the effects of rains and flooding so it
becomes a nusiance instead of a tragedy.

Likewise, higher CO2 levels won't necessarily cause global
warming but it will exacerbate any existing trends towards it. We
have control over how much CO2 we pump into the atmosphere.
We can work to make global warming a nusiance or we can keep
on doing what we have been doing and let it become a tragedy.
Posted by rapier1 (2646 comments )
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Winter 2007 warmest on homo sapiens' WRITTEN record........
We'll never hear a word about what "scientists" KNOW about weather records 'written' in Mother Earth, herself!!!!!!!!

Some of the replies I saw (briefly) are absolutely CORRECT: Weather FLUCTUATES [b]. PERIOD[/b] No rocket science needed to know that ;)
Posted by btljooz (385 comments )
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Bloody inconvenient
Damn those dinosaurs for NOT leaving a written record of temps in THEIR time. Instead, all we got from them is oil and a few bones.

Suppose we should condemn the trilobites next...
Posted by make_or_break (3530 comments )
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Ignorant of Ice Cores
Climatology uses ice cores from glaciers around the world to
map global temperatures for hundreds of thousands of years in
the past. They don't need written records that began in the
1800s - it's all perfectly preserved for anyone who cares to look
for it in the ice cores.

Since ice traps tiny amounts of air in frozen bubbles, it is easy to
measure how much CO2 gas was present during the past dozen
Ice/Warm ages. None of them show levels of CO2 as high as
what is present today. And that IS something to worry about
because CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

Those alive today have little to fear from global warming. We will
all die out before significant damage comes to fruition. But if
you care about your children and their families you should care
about reducing how much CO2 you release into the
environment.
Posted by montex66 (354 comments )
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So you think scientists are so very stupid?
We'd be in a very sorry state if they were as clueless as many of
you think they are.

Read some of their output and you'll see they're not as dumb (or
wealthy, from grants?!) as many of you think they are.

Currently, it's in vogue in the US for techno-wannabes to
proclaim the truth they find on some websites.

Why not try forming your opinion based on actual referreed
results?
Posted by Mark Greene (163 comments )
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Bad assumption, good post.
...actually, those who publish their modelling and methods show that said models contain far too many assumptions to be considered as faithful reproductions of Earth's climate. Any honest scientist will tell you that, and put in the caveats that "based on what we know so far, which is only this, this, this, this... our model shows that this and maybe this [i]might[/i] occur, within XYZ% degrees of deviation."

The rest is just political speculation.

/P
Posted by Penguinisto (5058 comments )
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Suppose its ture
Lets suppose global warming is true. Heat is building up, because the short light wave radiation is changed to long wave radiation by absorbtion cannot re-radiate throught the larger molecules of CO2, O3, etc. (Greenhouse effect)
Cures? Remove the CO2 (Give me energy and I'll do it, lots of big CO2 fire extinguishers or polar cap sized CO2 dry ice storage areas)
OR Reflect the short wave radiation prior to it being changed to long wave radiation, mirrors on all houses, large reflectors in unpopulated areas, no more blacktop, or lots of clouds in the day and clear skies at night.
Posted by deckpinz (2 comments )
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An inconvenient truth
Science is a methodology used to test the falsifiability of models of the universe. One such model would be to assert that humans are the cause of global warming. The methodologies used to test this assertion are based on the technologies, precedents and information available at the time of testing. To believe that we are currently at the apex of technologies,
precedents and information regarding climatology, is a stretch at best.

While we -- as a species -- should be aware of the "footprint" we're leaving on this planet, the universe is alot bigger and older than we are. That said, there's reason to believe that whatever climatological "doomsday" scenario might come true, may simply be as a result of Mother Nature's own doing.

Of course, the above assertion doesn't fit the profile of the politics involved.
Posted by rjsalvi (4 comments )
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A BASIC THING
Look if you put tons of waste in the air and ground it changes things !!
Simple thing , am in central NY the cloud cover has increased here fact !
Keep adding to the waste air and land and fresh water !
Simple math add, and add more what happens the numbers change , throw in the politics, and the news hype , bs all the way !
Anyway usally don't read much of this column here , i like the post !!!
Posted by reelfurbe (1 comment )
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C|Net, Another Useful Idiot?
Ah, isn't this a great topic? It fits along side the daily question - How do you feel about using your cell phone to take pictures of other, and maybe unsuspecting people? Aren't there enough "reporters" mouthing these words. There were two topics that CNET posted, two were about "computer" technology, the third about Gore-bal warming. One of the statistics cited was as I recall, that the temp was 1+ degree above the mean. For those who actually do not understand any of this stuff, it tells that, in other years the temp was BELOW the temperature that the meat-head used to make the argument. Translated, it means that in other years, the temp was lower. GOT IT? In response to the Gore-bal temp "problem" I would like people to stop making computers, cell phones, printers, batteries, cameras, electricity that powers these things, airplanes, autos, lightbulbs, rings for noses and ears and eyebrows, tatoo materials, etc.
Posted by frujtr (1 comment )
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Would the people out west think it's the warmest?
How about the families of the people who died in all the snow storms we had? I believe it is not true &#38; is only made up. Lots of people had the most snow &#38; cold weather in history. Explain that. It was only the warmest if you lived in the south.
Posted by Carol77garr (2 comments )
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Let's assume it is the warmest...
...what nobody seems to be talking about Carol, is the amount of energy saved by virtue of not having to heat your house or business as much this season! I guess that doesn't count and assuming this trend continues, will we hear about a global warming reversal..?

And given the scientific community has semi-reliable climatological data that's what, only just over a century old? I think I'll maintain skepticism and I surely know enough not to obtain any reliable climatology information from usenet posters.

P.S. I love the warm weather.
Posted by rjsalvi (4 comments )
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Truth? Or A Convenient Lie....
Howdy Y'All,

For years my son has been telling (teaching?!) me that his bathroom &#38; bedroom are not filthy/polluted and that they are not that way because of ignorance &#38; laziness, but they are that way because of "Living" -- they are the result of people who "Live".

Denial: Don't Even kNow I Am Lying -- first to myself and thus, to others.

All truth goes through three stages.
First it is ridiculed.
Then it is violently opposed.
Finally, it is accepted as self-evident. -Schoepenhouer

For many (most?), it appears this topic finds them in either the first or second stage -- one of the 'Inconvenient' stages of Truth.

And to those in the 1st or 2nd stage who have been 'rationally' but not 'Reasonably' educated in the discipline of Science, I do have Hope for you all! :)

The Mathematician's and Scientist's purpose is the pursuit of Beauty and Truth -- not "falsification"!

The discipline leads to a proof or substantiation of an experience that IT IS -- NOT that it is not!!
Anyone steeped in Logic will tell you that the 'not' condition can be impossible to prove.

From a Truth, only a Truth can result.
From a falsehood, either a falsehood or a Truth can result.

I have an understanding why the Inconvenient Truther's feel so passionate.
I have no understanding why their counterparts feel so passionate -- or is that impassionate, as inflammable means flammable?!

We can comprehend/understand an individual altering their next door neighbor's backyard/environment -- but, we find it extremely difficult (inconvenient?) to comprehend/undestand how our society can alter our next state's/country's environment, and beyond not to mention Globally.

DISCLOSURE: I have a BA in Mathematics and a BS (ha, ha, ha) in Life Science with emphasis in Systems Ecology. I was studying the most recent scientific studies at the same time VP Gore mentions of his school experience in the movie. I can still hear to this day one of my Prof's providing his account of his 'Lemmings' experience -- how the Lemmings were manipluated by a **** Sapiens Sapiens individual to behave in the 'commonly' expected manner :(

Denial -- deny, deny, deny!!!
Posted by ExcelNLife (1 comment )
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Before you get all excited & post what you may regret later READ this:
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Posted by btljooz (385 comments )
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Please stop!!!!
Please please please don't don't turn cnet into a political discussion site. I come here to get away from that sh--. I normally enjoy cnet. I know I didn't have to tune to this particular segment but do you normally have political discussions on cnet? I'm kind of new here and I like the technical aspect of cnet but not this stuff. This question/comment segment about the weather and global warming is similar to reading a high school newspaper. Regardless of your opinions, could we please keep this confined to the technical stuff?
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